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 QuantumMeltdown
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 Re: Celebrity Sex Abuse [Re: Diploid]
#4170933 - 05/13/05 12:17 PM (7 years, 19 days ago) |
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Time to leave this thread to the pedophiles too many to compete with enjoy your 12 year old ass.
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Live a lie and you will live to regret it
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That's what livin' is to me"
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fireworks_god
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Re: Willing Participant [Re: newjon]
#4170949 - 05/13/05 12:21 PM (7 years, 19 days ago) |
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newjon said:
i would jsut like to point out that is flawed reasoning. Mainly because, when you an express an opinion (if it is your own opinion, not someone else's) supporting a type of behaviour, then it follows by implication that you "agree" with that behaviour, as in "think that it is acceptable", etc.
It does not follow by implication. It follows by your own projection onto that expression of opinion. It follows by your own interpretation. An expressed opinion only exists within the realm of that opinion, the opinion itself implies nothing about the person who expressed it on its own.
In the world that you paint, it would definitely suck to be a devil's advocate... 
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The police searching your house, is a matter of privacy. More to the point, at least here in England, by law (currently), they have to have a warrant to do so. You can refuse if they don't, and that's it. If they do have a warrant and you refuse, you're breaking the law. If you don't want that, you're free to go and live in another country
The point is that some present a line of reasoning that acting in some manner implies something else. A cop might ask to search your house, and you say "Nei, I do not wish to have my house searched", they might pressure you with something like "Why would you object to having your house searched if you didn't have anything to hide?"
It is a line of reasoning that was evident in the practice of the Nazis. The American government uses it a lot. "Anyone who refuses to go to war is gay." "If you do not support this law, you are Communist."
The point is that this line of thought makes an if/then statement that doesn't actually have basis in reality. That is, if just might not equate into then. The key is not to project onto reality.
 
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 Diploid
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Quick tangent to lighten the mood a bit.
I was stopped a few weeks ago for running (not fully stopping actually) a stop sign. It was 4am and the cop must have figured I was up to no-good at that hour. He asked for consent to search my car, and when I refused, he gave me FG's exact line:
"Why would you object to having your car searched unless you have something to hide?"
I replied that if he let me search his wallet, he could search my car.
He wrote me the ticket and let me go. 
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Thor
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Man-Girl is another frontier. I personally do not approve of Man-Girl contacts as girls are not empowered as boys are, and there is a risk of violence. Woman-Girl love is completely different though, and Woman-Girl emancipation is capable of speaking for itself. The current issue revolves around Boylove as boylovers have been waiting in the sexual revolution line since the 70's.
This is just the most bizarre comment I've read in a long while, I mean the whole topic to me is hard to read, and this logic amongst all the others is even more out there.
A standard psych reason as to why older people seek out young boys/girls is because they are utterly unable to find companionship amongst equals of their age, thus why pedophiles seek young people out because this is a much less threatening mentality to seek out a relationship with.
I find it very interesting that pedophiles seek out all these logical reasons to justify loving immature humans, when its quite clear that one of the big reasons pedo's go for such young people is because they themselves cannot handle mature people their own age.
Its hard not to get angry reading this thread, and I'll respect that people have been very calm about it, if nothing it is interesting to get in the mind of a boy lover, but it still is difficult to read this.
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zahudulallah
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Re: Willing Participant [Re: Diploid]
#4171037 - 05/13/05 12:39 PM (7 years, 19 days ago) |
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To everyone in general,
For those interested in seeing the human face on minor-attraction, I suggest lurking in this message board for awhile: www.boylover.net
It's not a "pedo ring" or whatever absurd preconception someone might jump to. Rather, it's a brotherhood of the oppressed.
Support forums like these resemble the early gatherings of the Mattachine Society for homosexuals. I help out at many, namely to prevent suicides among boylovers.
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zahudulallah
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Re: Man/Boy Love [Re: Thor]
#4171048 - 05/13/05 12:41 PM (7 years, 19 days ago) |
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They are simply not attracted to their age peers. The current absolutism over child sexuality has unfortunately thrown a blanket over pedosexuality.
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Thor
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Quote:
zahudulallah said:
They are simply not attracted to their age peers. The current absolutism over child sexuality has unfortunately thrown a blanket over pedosexuality.
But thats my point, 'why' are they not attracted to own age peers? This in my studies is what I see, the maturity of the children is what attracts many pedo's to them.
Am I wrong in this, or do you think that is a big part of the attraction?
Also, when the boy becomes a full grown man, does the pedo then move on and get a new young boy?
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zahudulallah
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Re: Man/Boy Love [Re: Thor]
#4171063 - 05/13/05 12:46 PM (7 years, 19 days ago) |
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They do not express themselves sexually as typical adults do. Their sexual capicity generally resembles their age of attraction, which has long explained why there is few incidents of violence in Man/Boy relationships. In consensual relationships between Men and Boys, the older partner exclusively engages in the relationship on the same level of the young person. Thus the presence of violence is non-existent.
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Thor
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Quote:
zahudulallah said:
They do not express themselves sexually as typical adults do. Their sexual capicity generally resembles their age of attraction, which has long explained why there is few incidents of violence in Man/Boy relationships. In consensual relationships between Men and Boys, the older partner exclusively engages in the relationship on the same level of the young person. Thus the presence of violence is non-existent.
I'm sure some violence must exist, there is in all things.
But do answer my other question, if its attraction to young boys, when those young boys grow up, does the attraction then go away or do these boy love people stay with the same boy even when he grows up?
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zahudulallah
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Re: Man/Boy Love [Re: Thor]
#4171088 - 05/13/05 12:51 PM (7 years, 19 days ago) |
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There are relationships where virtually no violence is present.
As for the other question you raise, the passion of boylove relationships generally mutually dwindle out as the boy becomes a man and persues other things. In most cases the two remain life-long friends even if the sexual and romantic element is no longer there.
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Thor
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zahudulallah said:
There are relationships where virtually no violence is present.
As for the other question you raise, the passion of boylove relationships generally mutually dwindle out as the boy becomes a man and persues other things. In most cases the two remain life-long friends even if the sexual and romantic element is no longer there.
So you are then doomed to repeat new relationships, sexually that is, for your whole life?
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zahudulallah
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Re: Man/Boy Love [Re: Thor]
#4171130 - 05/13/05 01:00 PM (7 years, 19 days ago) |
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Monogamy in any sexual orientation is a fallacy, and only those enslaved in rectitude can successfully evade their humanity. And as it is with pederasty among homosexuals, by all means a relationship might transcend exlusive attraction. As I've said earlier, some teenage boys are not even interested in relationships but only casual sex.
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Diploid
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Man-Girl is another frontier. I personally do not approve of Man-Girl contacts as girls are not empowered as boys are, and there is a risk of violence.
Every argument you've used so far to justify man-boy sex can be used to justify man-girl sex.
Your stance here is hypocrisy.
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http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/7874721#Post7874721
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Diploid
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For those interested in seeing the human face on minor-attraction, I suggest lurking in this message board for awhile: www.boylover.net
The boys pictured on the splash page and headers on that site look as young as 5; the oldest looks less than 10. None of those kids look old enough to masturbate, let alone consent to sex. 
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http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/7874721#Post7874721
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zahudulallah
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Re: Willing Participant [Re: Diploid]
#4171297 - 05/13/05 01:43 PM (7 years, 19 days ago) |
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Try reading the forum. In fact, why don't you ask questions there.
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zahudulallah
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Re: Man/Boy Love [Re: Diploid]
#4171301 - 05/13/05 01:45 PM (7 years, 19 days ago) |
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Not really. The boy is an entirely different creature than the girl. Woman-Girl relationships are capable of representing themselves. They already do.
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Diploid
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Not really. The boy is an entirely different creature than the girl.
Ah, but using your own argument I'd say that boys are an entirely different creature than adults.
Your stance is still hypocrisy.
You're reacting to my comment like others here have reacted against your other posts. That's to say, arbitrarily assigning a diminutive classification to girls compared to men.
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Wanna hear something depressing? One out of four Shroomerites wants to lock me in a government cage for using a substance they don't like.
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http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/7874721#Post7874721
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zahudulallah
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Re: Man/Boy Love [Re: Diploid]
#4171378 - 05/13/05 02:02 PM (7 years, 19 days ago) |
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I don't see how it's hypocrisy if I've never advocated Man/Girl love.
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Diploid
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I've never advocated Man/Girl love.
But you advocate man/boy love. I say that (some) boys and girls too can be emotionally mature enough to decide for themselves if they want to have sex or not.
Everything you say to counter my statement can be countered with your rebuttals re boys throughout this thread.
Perhaps you're starting to see a glimpse of how people who have rationally opposed your position feel.
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Wanna hear something depressing? One out of four Shroomerites wants to lock me in a government cage for using a substance they don't like.
Hard to believe, right? Read it for yourself:
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/7874721#Post7874721
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Thor
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See my thought is the young boy is coerced into a sexual relationship with a older man who has the power and ability to coerce the young boy into a sexual relationship.
That is exploitation of the child as there is no way a young boy is mature enough to make a decision to be in such a relationship, and in fact I think that if a young boy gets involved with an older man you have then changed/damaged their future sexual relationships.
I mean do pedo's seek out gay boys? It seems to me they don't they seek out any boy that they feel can be coerced into sexual relationships, cause how the hell can you at that age determine if this is right/wrong.
I mean damn it, at 12 for example the age you mentioned for consensual sex, I was probably at that point just learning that I could masterbate, or at least near that age. So how the hell could I have made a smart decision if an old man was trying to get in my pants?
Its not a question of case by case, its if anything exploitation until the child nears some sense of their own sexuality (14-18yrs old) and can then make a decision if sex with dirty old men is for them.
I think its quite clear that the boy if left untouched by old men is likely never going to want sexual relations with older men and will go on to live a normal sexual life to the sadness of NAMBLA and to the great joy of normal people.
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