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 Re: Petition to have Hanky's ban reduced to suspension [Re: Smallworlds]
#4149730 - 05/08/05 09:02 AM (6 years, 9 months ago) |
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>so anno, are you at least considering setting a duration on hanky's "indefinate" ban?
The admins are going to disuss it at some point, perhaps next month.
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Re: Petition to have Hanky's ban reduced to suspension [Re: Anno]
#4149735 - 05/08/05 09:04 AM (6 years, 9 months ago) |
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Next month?
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Re: Petition to have Hanky's ban reduced to suspension [Re: Redstorm]
#4149737 - 05/08/05 09:05 AM (6 years, 9 months ago) |
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Yes, next month. June 2005 AD
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Re: Petition to have Hanky's ban reduced to suspension [Re: Anno]
#4149756 - 05/08/05 09:10 AM (6 years, 9 months ago) |
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Are you going to be talking about only his ban, or your system of banning as well. I think that should be looked at, too.
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Re: Petition to have Hanky's ban reduced to suspension [Re: Redstorm]
#4149766 - 05/08/05 09:13 AM (6 years, 9 months ago) |
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About his ban.
The system is sound as it is. The rules are clearly displayed, the ban procedures are laid out.
If you have to break the rules, then do so, but not at this site.
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Re: Petition to have Hanky's ban reduced to suspension [Re: Anno]
#4149960 - 05/08/05 10:17 AM (6 years, 9 months ago) |
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Quote:
Anno said:
About his ban.
The system is sound as it is. The rules are clearly displayed, the ban procedures are laid out.
If you have to break the rules, then do so, but not at this site.
I respect you anno, but that just seems to me unfair when you think about the severity of the punishment compared to the pettiness of the offense. So, I strongly disagree, and I hope that you might at some point re-consider this policy.
I'm just curious, since anno isn't the only admin here, what some of the other admins views on all of the things we have been discussing is. What do you other admins think individually?
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Re: Petition to have Hanky's ban reduced to suspension [Re: Smallworlds]
#4150081 - 05/08/05 10:56 AM (6 years, 9 months ago) |
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Quote:
Smallworlds said:
Quote:
Anno said:
About his ban.
The system is sound as it is. The rules are clearly displayed, the ban procedures are laid out.
If you have to break the rules, then do so, but not at this site.
I respect you anno, but that just seems to me unfair when you think about the severity of the punishment compared to the pettiness of the offense. So, I strongly disagree, and I hope that you might at some point re-consider this policy.
I'm just curious, since anno isn't the only admin here, what some of the other admins views on all of the things we have been discussing is. What do you other admins think individually?
As much as I'm completely on your side I think you're working against yourself a little bit here. You're asking for something in the now, which I'm totally behind, and now you're also asking for something on a grander scale. The power structure being as it is, this translates to you pushing it. Free Hanky, and work on whatever else later. An open call to admins here is going to most likely meet the same response it has in the past...a few admins chiming in to say they're sympathetic but that the powers-that-be make the decision. If you really want to make something of it then start PM'ing all the admins some sort of detailed suggestions on a ban system you think would work instead of vaguely referring to it as "this policy" because obviously there isn't always a clear "policy," it's more convoluted than that.
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Re: Petition to have Hanky's ban reduced to suspension [Re: Irishdrunk]
#4150262 - 05/08/05 11:54 AM (6 years, 9 months ago) |
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This is so fucking stupid.
if you halfwits put this much energy into something
WORTHWHILE, this world would be a better place.
solve all your problems and ban P#1.
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Re: Petition to have Hanky's ban reduced to suspension [Re: afoaf]
#4150334 - 05/08/05 12:11 PM (6 years, 9 months ago) |
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3/4 of all voters say unban him.
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Re: Petition to have Hanky's ban reduced to suspension [Re: afoaf]
#4150356 - 05/08/05 12:17 PM (6 years, 9 months ago) |
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afoaf said:
solve all your problems and ban P#1.
someone said all the puppets should be banned, looks like you're gone
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Re: Petition to have Hanky's ban reduced to suspension [Re: Prisoner#1]
#4150521 - 05/08/05 02:28 PM (6 years, 9 months ago) |
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Prisoner#1 said:
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afoaf said:
solve all your problems and ban P#1.
someone said all the puppets should be banned, looks like you're gone
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Re: Petition to have Hanky's ban reduced to suspension [Re: OneMoreRobot3021]
#4152828 - 05/09/05 08:24 AM (6 years, 9 months ago) |
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OneMoreRobot3021 said:
Quote:
Smallworlds said:
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Anno said:
About his ban.
The system is sound as it is. The rules are clearly displayed, the ban procedures are laid out.
If you have to break the rules, then do so, but not at this site.
I respect you anno, but that just seems to me unfair when you think about the severity of the punishment compared to the pettiness of the offense. So, I strongly disagree, and I hope that you might at some point re-consider this policy.
I'm just curious, since anno isn't the only admin here, what some of the other admins views on all of the things we have been discussing is. What do you other admins think individually?
As much as I'm completely on your side I think you're working against yourself a little bit here. You're asking for something in the now, which I'm totally behind, and now you're also asking for something on a grander scale. The power structure being as it is, this translates to you pushing it. Free Hanky, and work on whatever else later. An open call to admins here is going to most likely meet the same response it has in the past...a few admins chiming in to say they're sympathetic but that the powers-that-be make the decision. If you really want to make something of it then start PM'ing all the admins some sort of detailed suggestions on a ban system you think would work instead of vaguely referring to it as "this policy" because obviously there isn't always a clear "policy," it's more convoluted than that.
I see it like this. Hanky's current situation is a direct result of the policies that I am objecting to. Wouldn't it make sense to promote the change in policy nescessary to keep this whole thing from happening to anyone else later, as well as the unbanning of hanky now?
Otherwise, we'll just be here again in WA&F arguing for someone else's unbanning again in a month or two.
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Re: Petition to have Hanky's ban reduced to suspension [Re: Smallworlds]
#4153437 - 05/09/05 12:06 PM (6 years, 9 months ago) |
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That would happen regardless of the outcome here
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Re: Petition to have Hanky's ban reduced to suspension [Re: Shroomism]
#4153592 - 05/09/05 01:10 PM (6 years, 9 months ago) |
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Quote:
Shroomism said:
That would happen regardless of the outcome here
doesn't have to if they revised the banning policy to include mercy.
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Re: Petition to have Hanky's ban reduced to suspension [Re: Smallworlds]
#4153640 - 05/09/05 01:21 PM (6 years, 9 months ago) |
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How many times has Hanky been banned for the same reason?
Why did nobody complain until now?
Like it or not, Admins can permaban anyone they wish... with Hanky, they permabanned him the way they should... by giving him longer, and longer bans... until a perma-ban was the only action remaining.
If a guy doesn't care about a 30 day ban, a 30 day ban serves no purpose... it has to be extended.
Hanky knew what was on the line when he posted the picture.
Hanky wasn't perma-banned for the picture alone, he was permabanned because he has a long HISTORY of ignoring the TOS of this website.
Is he a bad person? Not exactly... but he won't follow the TOS RULES he automatically agreed to... when he registered for this website.
I'd be more concerned if nothing happened.
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Re: Petition to have Hanky's ban reduced to suspension [Re: Cervantes]
#4153683 - 05/09/05 01:36 PM (6 years, 9 months ago) |
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It doesn't have to be an all or nothing thing, though.
Since his last long ban, he had been behaving very well. I doubt he posted that pic knowing he was going to be banned (let alone permabanned)
It's permaban is absurd anyways. All that it's going to achieve is him coming back with a new name. With almost every permaban, it always creates the same situation.
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Re: Petition to have Hanky's ban reduced to suspension [Re: Redstorm]
#4153731 - 05/09/05 01:53 PM (6 years, 9 months ago) |
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just ask PGF, LSAuser, and Mr_Mushrooms
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Re: Petition to have Hanky's ban reduced to suspension [Re: Redstorm]
#4153741 - 05/09/05 01:56 PM (6 years, 9 months ago) |
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Yeah, that is true...
I doubt he expected to be banned forever... but after several OTHER bans for posting similar pics, the ban shouldn't have surprised him... the "Perma" may have come as a surprise.
Hanky was doing a bit better, but he did break THE SAME RULE AGAIN (like a month after his last ban lifted). He knew he was risking (at least) a 30 day ban... and he posted it anyway. I KNOW Hanky knew THIS rule better than some of the people coming to Hanky's defense know it.
As for him coming back under another name, if he does, I suppose that is fine, but his Hanky identity will need to die. Otherwise, if he wants people to know he was Hanky once, he should be banned again.
My gut feeling, Hanky's ban will be lifted in a month or two... but only if the Mob scene dies down a bit. The Admins worry about Mobs and Petitions, because if they listen to the Mob THIS TIME, the mob will be twice as loud NEXT TIME. Go figure... Admin logic.
I'm gonna' miss Hanky, but there aren't many people here, who have been banned as many times, for the same offense. The Shroomery simply can't have a member keep breaking the same rule w/o the option to perma-ban him.
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Re: Petition to have Hanky's ban reduced to suspension [Re: Cervantes]
#4153754 - 05/09/05 01:59 PM (6 years, 9 months ago) |
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That's not true. After he comes back, everyone will know it's him, and nothing will be done about it. It happens all the time in OTD, with established members who are permabanned.
I just find it foolish that the hammer cam down so hard on Hanky, yet when it was brought up about an established (but annoying) member trying to solicit drugs over pm, nothing was done about it.
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Re: Petition to have Hanky's ban reduced to suspension [Re: Redstorm]
#4153811 - 05/09/05 02:14 PM (6 years, 9 months ago) |
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I sorta' agree with you, but it was not my choice to Perma ban Hanky.
The Admin has cause to perma' ban him. They are being consistant w/ previous actions. They are being consistant with the TOS.
Yeah... people come back all the time (SHHHHHHHHHH!), and The Staff does look the other way often... USUALLY when the person was permabanned for silly reasons, like Hanky... or after they have had ample time off (like countless others). People only look the other way, when it isn't a problem. The Shroomery likes to give people as many 2nd chances as possible (but, keep breaking rules, and identity death eventually happens).
Make too much of a scene though, and there will need to be a universal NO PUPPET rule... or something.
I get confused with this thread's argument (not with you Red). People want their Hanky back, I get that... but why are people yelling about rules that aren't always enforced? Would you guys like those rules enforced MORE regularly? Hanky's bans have been legitimate... and came AFTER he broke rules. Yes, Mods look the other way sometimes... so what?
In OTD, Mods look the other way ALL THE TIME.
If we banned everyone who broke rules in OTD, the forum would be an unmoderated ghost town.
Of course, if we look the other way sometimes, people will cry, "Unfair!" when the rules ARE actually observed. This is nothing new.
So it is an ackward position for the Staff. Should we enforce MORE rules? We don't want to. We can't legally let people post whatever they want. We have to observe some rules.
OTD is hardly a Nazi state... there is STILL way more freedom in there, than in other Shroomery Forums.
If this mob keeps asking for a solution to this problem, I fear they won't like the solution.
p.s. I've never heard about a member being ALLOWED to continue pming for drugs. But sometimes things slip through the cracks. If someone did this, and was not banned, please notify an Admin. I'm sure they'll do something... ESPECIALLY if you have a copy of the PM.
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