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monkeyking
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Failing a drug test for legal herbs
#3674494 - 01/24/05 08:53 PM (19 years, 1 month ago) |
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Anyone ever heard of this happening? I heard it was possible to fail for opiates when taking blue Lotus because it has something that is similar to morpheine. Anyone ever heard this? Thanks for your help
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SourceLimit
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Re: Failing a drug test for legal herbs [Re: monkeyking]
#3674527 - 01/24/05 08:58 PM (19 years, 1 month ago) |
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Kratom can possibly cause a opium positive But Opiats have a rather short detection period so it shouldn't be much concern if it is not a random test.
Edited by SourceLimit (01/24/05 09:01 PM)
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Re: Failing a drug test for legal herbs [Re: SourceLimit]
#3674599 - 01/24/05 09:09 PM (19 years, 1 month ago) |
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You think it can? the structure of the actives do not resemble opiates, I thought it was an indol.
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Re: Failing a drug test for legal herbs [Re: gdman]
#3674616 - 01/24/05 09:12 PM (19 years, 1 month ago) |
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gdman said: You think it can? the structure of the actives do not resemble opiates, I thought it was an indole.
blue lotus?
Rumored to contain aporphine or apomorphine (6a-beta-aporphine-10,11-diol [Merck]) - a dopamine agonist - as well as perhaps nuciferine (1,2-dimethoxy-aporphine).
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Re: Failing a drug test for legal herbs [Re: SourceLimit]
#3675477 - 01/24/05 11:05 PM (19 years, 1 month ago) |
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>>Kratom can possibly cause a opium positive
Drug tests test for metabolites of specific drugs, kratom alkaloids are not similar to the the classical opiates and hence do not produce the same metabolites. You won't fail a drug test when using kratom.
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Re: Failing a drug test for legal herbs [Re: neuro]
#3675501 - 01/24/05 11:08 PM (19 years, 1 month ago) |
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neuro said: >>Kratom can possibly cause a opium positive
Drug tests test for metabolites of specific drugs, kratom alkaloids are not similar to the the classical opiates and hence do not produce the same metabolites. You won't fail a drug test when using kratom.
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Re: Failing a drug test for legal herbs [Re: monkeyking]
#3675771 - 01/25/05 12:12 AM (19 years, 1 month ago) |
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Shit, most spices are chemicaly phenylethylamines and can make you should up positive for amphetamines. the Essential oils of nutmeg and mace have saffrole and myristicine int hem.. NDNA andMDA can be syyntesized formt hem. Also saffrole from sassafrass, ddill apiole and apiole from spanish dill, fennel oil from fennel seed.
A spicing cake.
All show up as amphetamine.
AS for opiates, kratom will show up.
so will wild lettuce which is already knopwn for coantaining minute amounts of landanum
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Re: Failing a drug test for legal herbs [Re: mjshroomer]
#3675815 - 01/25/05 12:26 AM (19 years, 1 month ago) |
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landanum? That wouldn't be anything like laudanum would it? If so, laudanum was a liquid suspension of opium, not a separate drug.
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Re: Failing a drug test for legal herbs [Re: blink]
#3676484 - 01/25/05 07:28 AM (19 years, 1 month ago) |
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blinkidiot said:
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gdman said: You think it can? the structure of the actives do not resemble opiates, I thought it was an indole.
blue lotus?
Rumored to contain aporphine or apomorphine (6a-beta-aporphine-10,11-diol [Merck]) - a dopamine agonist - as well as perhaps nuciferine (1,2-dimethoxy-aporphine).
The key word is rumored. Those compounds have not been found in nymphea. They are however abundently found in Nelumbo nucifera, and might show up in tests for opiates.
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Re: Failing a drug test for legal herbs [Re: mjshroomer]
#3676491 - 01/25/05 07:31 AM (19 years, 1 month ago) |
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Kratom will NOT show up in a drug test, at least not for opiates.
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Re: Failing a drug test for legal herbs [Re: mjshroomer]
#3676548 - 01/25/05 07:44 AM (19 years, 1 month ago) |
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>>AS for opiates, kratom will show up. Can you please cite this, this is a hard pill to swallow chemically speaking. Just because some drugs have similar actions that are not chemically similar, i.e. Activate same receptor complexes, it does not necessarily follow you will produce the same metabolite. In this case I'm looking at the classical opiates on a NIDA Five and their metabolites, and Kratom. Unless kratom contains other compounds that are chemically similar (the opioid kratom alkaloids aren't even close) to the classical opiates, this theoretically and simply won't happen. Unless you can cite a source that provides an alternative un pursued explanation.
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Re: Failing a drug test for legal herbs [Re: neuro]
#3676568 - 01/25/05 07:47 AM (19 years, 1 month ago) |
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Naw neuro, I was talking kratom, mj how would kratom show up as an opiate?
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Re: Failing a drug test for legal herbs [Re: gdman]
#3676589 - 01/25/05 07:54 AM (19 years, 1 month ago) |
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>>Naw neuro, I was talking kratom,
I'm lost, isn't that what we've sort of been talking about the whole time. I've been talking kratom too.
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Re: Failing a drug test for legal herbs [Re: neuro]
#3677141 - 01/25/05 10:02 AM (19 years, 1 month ago) |
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Oh man, my fault, I ment blink, I was refering to kratom and he though tI was talking about lotus... sorry for the confusion.
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Re: Failing a drug test for legal herbs [Re: Young_but_cool]
#3679877 - 01/25/05 08:46 PM (19 years, 1 month ago) |
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i heard some otc drugs can show up on drug test as illegal drugs too. can anyone tell me if this is true.
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Re: Failing a drug test for legal herbs [Re: dressel11]
#3680209 - 01/25/05 09:42 PM (19 years, 1 month ago) |
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Poppy seed bagels = Opiates ? or is that a stupid myth
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Re: Failing a drug test for legal herbs [Re: Boom]
#3680240 - 01/25/05 09:48 PM (19 years, 1 month ago) |
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poppy seeds will definently cause detection of opiates, fact...
im not sure on all the rest...
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Re: Failing a drug test for legal herbs [Re: Tremor1127]
#3680283 - 01/25/05 09:56 PM (19 years, 1 month ago) |
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on erowid I believe they tell you what could cause fake detection of a drug based on something else....if I remember correctly ibuprofane shows up as weed on a drug test.
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Re: Failing a drug test for legal herbs [Re: Tremor1127]
#3680419 - 01/25/05 10:17 PM (19 years, 1 month ago) |
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Fact: Poppy seeds will not cause a false negative on your test. Fact: Poppy seeds that are consumed commonly are not opium poppies.
Fact: Just because someone says something on the internet is a fact doesn't make it a fact. Find out for yourself what the truth is through reliable resources.
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Re: Failing a drug test for legal herbs [Re: Signo]
#3682236 - 01/26/05 08:10 AM (19 years, 1 month ago) |
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Actually, believe it or not, it is possible for poppy seed bagels to cause false positives on test.
I saw the expeirment carried out, and standard drug test (dip and stick) come up positive several times in a row, where a subsequent true positive vs time graph was made.
You can also have seen this done on Mythbusters, on the discovery channel. I went in beleiving it wasn't possible, but they showed it was, this was the second time I've seen this experiment done, so it was replicated with a true positive twice!
I'm now a believer.
Some other drugs that are not psychoactives can sometimes cause false positives, I've heard of some cases of certain antibiotics causing false positives for something which I forget.
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