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fireworks_god said:
Damn it, science means whatever the fuck I want it to mean, and no one, especially not you, will EVER take that away from me.

This month, science means "ethnic Albanian women wearing hockey uniforms dancing seductively, dripping with freshly-produced honey, on an airplane set to land in Japan". 


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Sclorch said:
[Sclorch's thought organ: He's playing right into your hands, Sclorch.
QUIET, you damned fool!  He might hear us and get suspicious...
*shifty eyes*

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Just remember, science will service you sexually, that is, if you don't mind getting a little sticky.


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gettinjiggywithit said:
Distortion is an annoying noise no matter which way you travel the two way highway.

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Wrong!

*thrashes his guitar at 240 bpm*


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gettinjiggywithit said:
Jiggy runs her finger nails down a chalk board!

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*cannot believe what Jiggy just did*

I'll have you know that sound is not welcome in a metal song.






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It was about humor from the start the way I read it, but seriously, I will turn it into something meaningful now we can grow with.

Science says spirituality can't use its words (they have possesiveness issues- but shhhhhhh don't tell anyone) For them, it is like the spiritualist is stepping on their HOLY land.

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Soooooooo what language can we all use to relate to each other with and share concepts and understandings?

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You can use science, just get it right.  2012ers Learn what a photon is before you try and tell us the existence of a 'Photon Band' we can't see.  Jiggy you can talk about the 4th dimention or vibrational frequencies, but as soon as you misuse the scientific meaning of these concepts to support whatever you define them as, you have crossed the line.

The problem isn't so much science terms are used by spiritualists, it is that they are used, and you guys try to bring part of their scientific meaning and validation with them.  It is like someone decides they like the name of my hypothetical child "Paul", and they name their kid paul.  That is okay.  But when you borrow the name, don't decide you also like his blond hair, and try to take that off his head.

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They say, the easiest way to divide and Conquer is to give the people different languages that will prevent them from relating, communicating and understanding, grouping together into one strong force.

If any of us care to be as the ONE we are, and share in the strength of that, we have to make initiatives to bridge the language barriers and desire to find a means of relating and communicating.

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Science types have this worked out:  As soon as you can withstand scientific scrutiny, which will applied fairly, you can join the club.  Before that, don't expect any validation, and don't expect us to like it when you borrow our terms and use them wrong.  Basically, don't ask to borrow my hypothetical kid "Paul" because you want another kid.(man, that metaphor keeps on going! )

Spirituality is the method of finding subjective truth, Science the method of finding objective truth.  They are not one.  Not to say they can't be, but as of yet, very, very little, especially recently, has crossed over from the former to the latter.

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Mushmonkey said:
The difference between science and superstition (read: spirituality) is the difference between taking pennicillin for a strep infection and going to the dentist to have your humors bled.

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Actually, the real difference between science and spirituality is that science is involved with observing the objective, physical world, and the advancement of understanding and technology based on that, while spirituality (read: not superstition, too unrelated terms) is involved with observing the subjective world of mind, being, and experience, the advancement of understanding of these aspects of our inner being, and the advancement and betterment of ourselves from that, in general terms. (I wasn't able to express that quite like I set out to, but it is unfortunately beyond me for the moment ).

Anyways, the reasons why science has been more prone to observable advancement should be obvious. Its realm is the physical world, theoretically observable and testable by all. Scientific advancement is, in most cases, noticeable by more than one person. It has to its advantage communication between multiple people, and its meaning exists on a level that can be perceived by all. It exists outside of us, essentially.

Spirituality, as I said, relates to our own personal experience, our state of being, the workings of our mind, and advancement in this realm is personal and very hard to convey to others, as the field in which it occurs is not observable by more than one person. Communication is not such an advantage because there is the possibillity of too wide of a gap between multiple people for the meaning to be conveyed properly.

Of course, these two facets converge on a variety of levels. The fact that everyone is of the same physical makeup means that there has to be similarities between individuals experience of reality - the principles of how the mind works, how our senses collect information, and how awareness is used and how experience is formed are the same. However, without the personal experience necessary to understand and to apply advancement in the spiritual side of things, communication and advancement as a group is highly improbable.

While science points to the moon in order to show another person the location of the moon, spirituality points to the moon in an attempt to guide another person into the experience of pointing at the moon, of seeing the moon, of experiencing being a human being.

Common spiritual understanding is advancing, but it has been an extremely difficult road and remains a difficult one. Let us not mistake the countless (perceived?) failings portrayed as spirituality for spirituality. To forego spirituality altogether would eventually leave us to be experience-less robots, to forego science altogether would leave us incapable of surviving in the world and eventually our demise. To develop both sides and then to realize that they intermesh perfectly and complete each other and ourselves would be the whole fucking point.


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Phluck said:
Did someone say Hiroshima? I heard you whisper lobotomy over there. How did you know my mother in law suffers from hep C due to a certified dental visit gone bad.

You're still missing the point.

That is not science. That's like blaming metalurgy for all sword related deaths.

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Phluck said:
You're missing the point.

What Swami is describing is not people hogging words, he's talking about people misusing certain terms. While you're certainly free to discuss science, it's completely unfair to use the term "science" to describe something that is not science, and claim that this is why science is flawed.

For instance, if you say that science is flawed because some scientists are not receptive to new ideas, you're wildly distorting the ideas behind science. This is an example of someone improperly carrying out science, not a flaw in science itself.

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Spirituality, as I said, relates to our own personal experience, our state of being, the workings of our mind, and advancement in this realm is personal and very hard to convey to others, as the field in which it occurs is not observable by more than one person. Communication is not such an advantage because there is the possibillity of too wide of a gap between multiple people for the meaning to be conveyed properly.

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Oceansize,
This post was running pretty unemotional and in a light hearted spirit of humor until your last reply. Do you know how many threads you are in now repeating yourself as if your trying to ram YOUR beliefs down peoples throats? Its sorta funny.

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If you want light hearted and humor, try and find a comedian's message board.  You came out with indirect personal attacks that had nothing to do with the subject.  If you point out a post where i am ramming my beliefs down your throat and point out how exactly, i will gladly, honestly appoligize.

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  Whats even funnier about your coming after me is that I AM NOT religious. Just as I am turned off by religious dogma I am with scientific dogma too.
I do not beleive in a God.

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Its like saying science can use it limitations to constrict and reduce (distort) broader arenas down to its current size of knowing but spirit can't distort via stretching and expanding upon the meaning of the words to fit them into broader arenas of personal knowing.

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