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""it wouldnt be a cycle otherwise then would it? :p ""
why not?
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 Re: Mayans [Re: Gomp]
#3384623 - 11/19/04 01:07 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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A cycle is something that is repeated over and over again.....
if its not the same at the start again its not being repeated but something new is happening... and therefore not a cycle....
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working from "A periodically repeated sequence of events"
""A cycle is something that is repeated over and over again.....""
yes the sequence is repeated over and over again..
""if its not the same at the start again its not being repeated but something new is happening... and therefore not a cycle.... ""
but it was the sequence beeing cycled?
it is the events we are 'building'?
 
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Re: Mayans [Re: Swami]
#3385064 - 11/19/04 02:29 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Cortez did not make contact with the Mayans. Cortez mobilized the Mazatec tribes, amoung a few others, against the Aztecs. They did not seriously think Cortez was a God...he offered revenge against their oppressors, the Aztecs. It was Motecuhzoma that made the superstitious mistake of tolerating Cortez's presense in Tenochtitl?n (The Heart of the One World) until it was too late.
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They did not think that this was a destructive thing. They recognized that life would continue.
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WHo SAYS? can you give us a source where the Mayans decided this is the date "we are shifting into different frequencies?"
The chief reason is that we are now at a stage, the Galactic Under2012 in the Mayan calendar, that favours the right brain half and the intuitive faculties of our mind that are mediated by this. And so, we may expect that the upcoming Venus transit will launch an era of communications utilizing mental rather than electromagnetic fields.
http://www.experiencefestival.com/a/Venus_Transit/id/2042
For more info do a search about the Galactic Underworld. There is a TON of awesome info out there. Basically what they are saying is that we will evolve into a complete differnt mind set and reality.
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BTW the psychonaut terrence mckenna was really not an authority on this - but he was definitely a psychonaughty fellow, one of the most.
He has be studying ontological foundations of Shamanism and the Ethnopharmacology of spiritual transformation for the past quarter century. Terence knows what he's talking about! Also he didn't just copy the Mayans date; it was a cooicedince that his date matched up with the Mayans.
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Phooey on that calender. So much has been tweeked out since it was created, its crap.
If by tweeked you mean changed, it hasn't. It is displayed in the Museum of Anthropology in Mexico City i belive...
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need to recompute the math altogether and work it out from evidence themselves
The math isn't all that diffucult. They just looked at the end date of the calendar and converted it to our Gregorian Calendar.
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then why get back to the state which you started at?
you are already there? :P
We have not completed the cycle yet. We will be entering a new state of being.
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hey evan, you still havnt given your thoughts on the possibilty that our gregorian calender is a couple years out
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what do you mean a couple years out?
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It is very important to note that the Mayans were MUCH MORE CONCERNED about the fate of young drug-takers in another country 500 years in the future than the fate of their own culture.
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Re: Mayans [Re: Swami]
#3385552 - 11/19/04 04:19 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Swami said:
this is probably one of the dumbest things i've read.
Then apparently you did not read your own post.
It just so happens on December 21, 2012 that the Sun will move to a unique spot in the sky --
The sun is always in a "unique" spot, you just happen to choose to assign special meaning to some arbitrary position.
and hold still for a while, since it is solstice day.
I see. On that day the laws of physics will be suspended.
The Sun will sit precisely on the heavenly crossroads between the Milky Way and the galactic equinox, forming a perfect alignment with the center of the galaxy.
Is this poetry or science? There is no heavenly crossroad, no precise galactic center and certainly no "alignment" with a non-existeing point.
this only happens every 28,500 years.
What happens? Nothing at all.
Give the mayans some fucking credit.
They are dead and credit will do them no good.
You said "What happens? Nothing at all" Y
Its called "precession" Also, I meant to say 25,800 years not 28,500 years. Its not poetry it IS science. Its called "precession". Say it with me now, "precession" check out the link below.
http://www.synapses.co.uk/astro/precess.html
IT is "unique" because it alligns itself in the center of the Milky Way Galaxy which only happens every 25,800 years... The rest of the time it stays the same.
And for your comment about the sun standing still, thats what solstice means. It means SUN STANDING STILL in Latin. You obviously don't know what a solstice is at all or you wouldn't have even said that.
http://www.infoplease.com/spot/solstice.html
I would suggeest you not argue about astrology or any other subject which you have no knowledge in. You have no idea what you are talking about. Everything you said I have given you factual responses which can be proved in many more resources than the just links I posted.
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MovingTarget
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as in, a few years were missed out a oouple centuries back. I dont know the details, i could try and find out though
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Its not poetry it IS science.
And for your comment about the sun standing still, thats what solstice means. It means SUN STANDING STILL in Latin.
Ther is nothing to STOP the sun from moving (See: Newton); hence this is a poetic and not a scientific description.
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Evan,
I greatly appreciate your passion regarding this topic. I wasn't calling the calender crap, just all of the negativity and misinformation surrounding it.
Time is obsolete now, it's all here, the grids are all in place, plug in when ya want to. The gateways are all available, just hit the frequency tone with your energy body , it's the key, and through you go.
This fear hub bub, it's just what one sees wearing these 3-D glasses. Take them off and you will see the paradise that has always been here. The rest will take on a flat quality.
Free will rules. 2012 won't happen to you even when it comes and goes, you make it happen whenever you want to. Ya so, the calender is a tangible piece, but think of it as being just a symbol for a cycle that has no time, a symbol ever present in the now of time obsolete.
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Get a grip on reality, man...read a book on the Mayans...not the new age rubbish you have been feeding yourself, but an actual factual book on the Mayans. I have studied MesoAmerican Indian tribes (and their spiritual traditions)for nearly a decade, and I have read little that indicated that their calendar was anything other than a system of organizing time...with spiritual references thrown in to the symbolism, but still only a calendar. McKenna, while a great writer, was not one of the greatest minds of the 20th century (read flake...a nice flake...but a big one).
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*GASP* HERETIC! 
Somebody get some brush and a fire...
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Re: Mayans [Re: Swami]
#3386914 - 11/19/04 10:02 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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hey i have mckennas rare video called timewave zero.. if anyone has a server i can upload to share with whoever wants it drop me a pm .
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Re: Mayans [Re: Swami]
#3387000 - 11/19/04 10:34 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Heretic...I like the sound of that...
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If you have studied the meso american indian cultures for a decade, i would find it really strange that you havent found any spiritual references to the traditional long count calendar, which is still in use by peoples today.
The people following the traditional long count do not all support the (according to some opinions: "new agey") dreamspell calendar, which was adapted from the long count calendar by jose arguelles (it also incorperates symbolic systems from several different cultures by the way) Allthough, it has to be mentioned that Jose Arguelles was officially appointed 'closer of the cycle' by a council of tribe elders during a traditional ceremony.
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bmarley3434 said:
hey i have mckennas rare video called timewave zero.. if anyone has a server i can upload to share with whoever wants it drop me a pm .
drop me a PM and i'm upload it.
I believe that terence mckenna is one of the greatest minds of the 20th century. He's absolutely brilliant.
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