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 Re: Mayans [Re: BBin]
#3382896 - 11/19/04 02:16 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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to clarify some things about the Maya:
1. they did perform sacrifice. from the Popol Vuh - The Mayan Book of the Dawn of Life:
"Tohil is the source of the first fires kept by human beings,
making it possible for them to keep warm in the cold of the predawn
world. When a great hailstorm puts all these fires out, Tohil restores
fire to the Quiches by pivoting inside his sandal, which is to say that he originates the technology whereby fire is started by rotating a drill in the socket of a wooden platform. The other tribes, shivering with cold, come to the Quiches to beg for fire, but Tohil refuses to let them have it unless they promise to embrace him someday, allowing themselves to be suckled. They agree, not realizing that when the time comes for the Quiche lords to subjugate them, being "suckled" by Tohil will mean having their hearts cut out in sacrifice. "
the Quiches are the most important maya tribe.
2. the maya civilization is not dead. from the introduction to the translation of the aforementioned book:
"The Quiche people speak a Mayan language, say prayers to Mayan mountains and Mayan ancestors, and keep time according to the Mayan calendar. They are also interested citizens of the larger contemporary world, but they find themselves surrounded and attacked by those who have yet to realize they have something to teach the rest of us. For them it is not that the time of Mayan civilization has passed, to be followed by the time of European civilization, but that the two have begun to run alongside one another. A complete return to conditions that existed before Europeans first arrived is unthinkable, and so is a complete abandonment of indigenous traditions in favor of European ones. What most worries daykeepers about people from Europe, and specifically about missionaries, is that they confuse the Earth, whose divinity is equal to that of the celestial God, with the devil. As daykeepers put it, "He who makes an enemy of the Earth makes an enemy of his own body."
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Re: Mayans [Re: a_h_w]
#3383222 - 11/19/04 07:05 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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BBin: "and that these cycles fit into each others according to certain frequencies, most importantly the 13:20. The large cycle of time they perceived is ending on 21/12/2012.
We are shifting into a different frequency, and this shift offers an enormous opportunity for us, on a level of consciousness. What happens on the material level is subject to this change, we create our own reality in a very litteral and direct manner."
WHo SAYS? can you give us a source where the Mayans decided this is the date "we are shifting into different frequencies?"
'there will be a solstice 12/21/2012 is NOt saying the same thing
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my inner mayan says that the math is all wrong.
those who really have to know the end of the world (why I am not sure)
need to recompute the math altogether and work it out from evidence themselves.
also study math, it will wear off the rough edges on the whole issue.
BTW the psychonaut terrence mckenna was really not an authority on this - but he was definitely a psychonaughty fellow, one of the most.
but this calendar crap is not what being mayan or mexican was or is all about anyway.
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Ok, is it possible that this date that the mayans predicted is really just a point in time where the patterns of the movements of earth and the sun reach the end of a long cycle and this means nothing at all rather than it defines a certain point in time where the patterns start over again? Is it possible that the people who interpreted this got widlly carried away with the idea of "the end of this era"?
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the importance of 21/dec/2012 to the maya is inferred from the fact that their calendar actually ends on this date and the fact that they created the most perfect calendar in human history. we're stuck with an irregular calendar that no one can biologically relate to.
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going back to the start from the end, is kinda like building a house from scratch, then when your back to scratch again,instead of again building your house form scratch, you already got the house you live in, so you can expand it from scratch instead? 
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Re: Mayans [Re: Gomp]
#3383659 - 11/19/04 09:38 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Re: Mayans [Re: Gomp]
#3383667 - 11/19/04 09:39 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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nah...
it'd be more like the whole cycle is building your house then dismantling it, so the start is with nothing, and the end of the cycle is when youve finaly dismantled it.... then you start over again......
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why dismantle it?
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Re: Mayans [Re: Gomp]
#3383771 - 11/19/04 10:03 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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to get back to the state which you started at
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Why do that? When you rehab, you just restore whats old, broken and doesn't work and renew what is worn out and outdated with whats fresh.
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Annnnnnnd, the only reason to do a complete tare down -rebuild is if your plan is to make the home, much larger with bigger space, more floors and rooms and waayyyy better.
Either way, as Martha Stewart would say, "it's a good thing".
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i dont think we're quite thinking of the same thing here.
Am talking about the cycle our planet goes through which has nothing to do with building up or tearing down, and conitues on oblivous to what we do.
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We are talking about the same thing my friend.
We are taring down old beleif structures of what hasn't been working for us. We are rebuilding new ones that will serve us better. We are installing new highspeed wiring and are replacing the outdated elctrical wiring and plumbing. We are adding more rooms "dimensions " of consciousness and are increasing the space via the adding of mutliple perceptions.
It's not about the world out there. That will remain the same. How we see it and interact with it is what is changing.
Phooey on that calender. So much has been tweeked out since it was created, its crap. However, a lot of the tweeking and readjusting probably would not have been incited to take place had it not raised so many fears for people to make positive change.
There's some quote that says, "A prophets greater reason for sharing prophecy is so that they will not come to pass." if you know your car breaks are going to fail on you next week, you have a heads up to get them replaced now. You will have altered the prophecy as well and it will not come to pass. Same difference.
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"We are adding more rooms "dimensions " of consciousness and are increasing the space via the adding of mutliple perceptions. "
Could you ellaborate on this? Ive really no knowledge about this whatsoever.
As for the rest of what you spoke of, thats also possible. But I still have a lot of respect for mayans and I would like to know the truth about them what they really meant or believed is going to happen
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Sure ya do- just don't complicate it or think its complicated because none of this is. It's so simple, people wonder what all of the fuss was. Thats what I wish to do, tone down the fuss of the changing times.
Is there anything in life that you now see diferently then you use to? Can you think of any event that you can see from maybe even 3 different points of view with equal weight? Have you ever stopped to consider at looking at something from standing in someone elses shoes?
Thats all this is. We are busting open linear thought patterns, or having only one way to see something- black or white, right or wrong, up or down.
The benefit is gaining understanding and compassion for others by being able to see from their perspective as well. The benefit is being able to co-operate better with this addition of sight so as to be able to come to compromises, win win solutions and ease the conflict in our personal lives.
Another benefit added is the expanded range of creative approaches one is able to apply to old things with new and fresh perspectives. Inovation for problem resolution abounds from being mutli perceptual and or abstract thinking abilities.
As for the ancient Mayans, I know them differently through memory and their pleiadian ties. Knowing the pleaidians helps me to know and understand the influence and wisdom of the ancient Maya. There is evidense of their connection with that star system all over the freaking place.
You will enjoy this book very much as it's all a research compilation on the ancient Maya from many sources who have dedicated their lifes research to them like, Don Miguel Ruiz and the National Geographic Research Society, to many to list. It's well done and provocative.
"Return of the Children of Light" sub title "Incan and Mayan Prophecies for A New World' by Judith Bluestone Polich.
I was watching this cool show On national geographic explorer last year about new discoveries of ancient civilisations in Peru. They found this carving in a rock wall around a cave what they thought looked like some sort of star gate. It was just discovered that year. They panned to a carving on the rock of a face and I FLIPPED OUT and FROZE with CHILLS.
A friend in kauai 8 years ago, did a channeled drawing of a pleiadian bird friend of hers, which I have now, that looked just like that freaking face carving next to the star gate wall. Fucking cool!
The bottom line is, you arn't going to fully understand the ancient maya without having to understand the pleiadian influence they were under. The P's taught them all they knew about astrology, astronomy and math and natural healing and the shamanic ways.
That star system is carved and painted all over their ancient shit. Direct contact with intelligent life from there has not been scientifically proven, it's speculative or for people like me, memory and current relationships are all the proof I need. People need to seek their own or keep on ignoring the possibilities.
If your sincerely interested, you will be enlightened and inspired by the book about the ancient Maya-it's well done, based on scientific research only, with no doom and gloom. Put it on your x-mas gift wish list!
If you get it and read then, feel free to bounce stuff off of me bout it, because there is even more to it. The aztecs are in the book too.
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thanks, i think i'll check those books out.
"Is there anything in life that you now see diferently then you use to? Can you think of any event that you can see from maybe even 3 different points of view with equal weight? Have you ever stopped to consider at looking at something from standing in someone elses shoes?
Thats all this is. We are busting open linear thought patterns, or having only one way to see something- black or white, right or wrong, up or down.
The benefit is gaining understanding and compassion for others by being able to see from their perspective as well. The benefit is being able to co-operate better with this addition of sight so as to be able to come to compromises, win win solutions and ease the conflict in our personal lives."
If anything, i would have thought the demise of our civilisation is because too few people do this well, We've been able to do ths for a long time, but still too many people are selfish in their ways with no regardfor the long term consequences.
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then why get back to the state which you started at?
you are already there? :P
 
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Re: Mayans [Re: Gomp]
#3384474 - 11/19/04 12:31 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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""Annnnnnnd, the only reason to do a complete tare down -rebuild is if your plan is to make the home, much larger with bigger space, more floors and rooms and waayyyy better.
Either way, as Martha Stewart would say, "it's a good thing". ""
but if you build your house, whit that in mind it could be growing, you could take taht in account when boulding the house you gona ocupy, and therby eliminating the only reason to do a complete tare down -rebuild ??
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Re: Mayans [Re: Gomp]
#3384500 - 11/19/04 12:38 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Quote:
Gomp said:
then why get back to the state which you started at?
you are already there? :P
it wouldnt be a cycle otherwise then would it? :p
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