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When ever you have time please read these links. It takes a good 20 minutes to read both things Its sort of complicated, but its worth taking the time to understand.
This first link describes how the Mayans came to their conclusion:
It describes the the lining up of 3 astronomical events which only happen every couple thousand years (The Sacred Tree) December 21/23, 2011.
http://www.levity.com/eschaton/Why2012.html
And this link describes what will happen:
The Mayans were right on about everything. Right now we are overwhelmed by economy and material goods as they predicted would start in June of 1999. It then talks about brain hemispheres and how the different sides of your brain interpret things. The example they used was looking at a cow. One side of your brain might determine the cost of the cow, while the other recognizes it as a living creature. By Mayan calculations, and they have been right with EVERYTHING on December, 4 2004 the first change in human perceptiveness will change. We will begin to see life through a non-material way. Which, in turn, will cause the collapse of the economy. And on December 21/23, 2011, the end of the World.
http://www.enlighteningtimes.com/mayancalendar2012.htm
Please read both links entirely.
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"the first change in human perceptiveness will change."
man that was just beatiful... i mean, omfg..
the first change will change, hum hum hum..
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what is critical?
ahahaha i looked it up, and you were joking?
Inclined to judge severely and find fault? lol?
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The mayan cult responsible for the apocalyptic prediction is the same cult that the people decided had no authority over their personal sovereignty.
People are always saying these days that 2012 will be an amazing time for us because people will learn, like the mayans did, that their rulers are full of shit and they can live how they want to live and not have to pay taxes and all sorts of freedom stuff that makes people who think they are oppressed hopeful of a time when Big Brother isn't something to fear.
But they forget that the mayans who started this prophecy were big brother. The mayans who left the cities and lived in the jungle, closer to nature, et al., abandoned their faith in the religions of the rulers.
When this great cycle ends and the new one begins in 2012 this world will die. In an offering of blood, the new world will be born. And lots of other metaphores to derive symbolic meaning to any area of any life...
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holographic resonance ?
edit* wow cool :P i kinda felt like this is happening :P
The period from December 10 2003 through December 4 2004 will be the greatest test that humanity has ever faced. It is at this time that the Law of Karma goes extinct. That is to say that all Karmic debts shall be paid in full during this Galactic cycle.
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Re: Mayans [Re: Gomp]
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Terrance whilst eating heroic doses of psilocybian mushrooms was contacted by some God which gave him a number. He plugged it into an anciet chinese table and it came out that the end of the world was December 21, 2011. THE SAME AS THE MAYANS.. fucking wild. What did mayans and McKenna have in common? Use of psilocybe mushrooms to explore God and science. After all for the mayans, mushrooms were the "food of the gods"
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He did more than just plug it in to the I-Ching.
I don't know how much truth actually lies in his 'calculations', but I definitely dig a lot of his other ideas 
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Re: Mayans [Re: deff]
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"Right now we are overwhelmed by economy and material goods"
maybe you are, 75% of the people of the world live in poverty.
wake the fuck up.
although 2012 is when babyboomers start caching in their retirements and that will flatten the stock markets.
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Re: Mayans [Re: kbilly]
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Poverty has nothing to do with the importance of material wealth.
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So wait... no 2nd coming of Jesus, or the coming of the anti-Christ, or the coming of the next Buddha or any of these ancient prophecy's? Were these ancient Prophecy's wrong or were they merely made up to make life feel as if you're living in a fantasy setting?
I am not descreditting a higher plane of existance, as our consciousness is quite limited, but I do not believe we are going to be saved by Jesus, another Buddha, or Mayan prophecy.
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Re: Mayans [Re: psyka]
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""no 2nd coming of Jesus, or the coming of the anti-Christ, or the coming of the next Buddha or any of these ancient prophecy's?""
no, no 2nd coming, just that the first change will change..
they're already her..
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Re: Mayans [Re: Gomp]
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yeah TM also did some kind of calculation called 'timewave zero' now personally i cant make heads or tails out of this thing but apparently it also predicted 2012 as the end of history. Or is this what you were talking about?
either way i think 2012 is a good time by which to set my goals. Like, in 6 years i should be almost ready to die, as in had some serious travel/life/trip experience and gotten my head sorted out a bit. Just use it as a target date to be 'prepared' for whatever is coming, in as much as that is possible
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no Mayan clue [Re: Moonshoe]
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anybody predict bush or kerry
I have no Mayan clue.
and we are this close!!!!
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if nothing happens in 2012
as in nothing as the thing nothing. i guess we all in for a sup rise :P do not expect nor assume, just get ready :P he he (you are ready) by the 4't of December you might get what is happening :P
PS: it has already begun ages ago :P
yeah, don-nu "where" that came from, but since i typed it i might as well post it :P
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my inner Mayan is laughing
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what actually happened or started happening on the 6th of june this year?
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the process of universal water begun the basis of life destiny?
again, dunno, just wrote it :P
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most of your posts don't make much sense
If you're Norweigan and English is a 2nd language it's understandable but if you're also making weird posts just to confuse that's mean.  
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Or maybe they make perfect sense but are on a diferent level from how most people think
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That was the Venus Transit. You can google it. The swell started to be felt around May 20th.
How many of you even knew the wave came in????????????? You wrote off the mood swings from tears to insane laughter for no reason, natural high rushes, tension, anxiety, fatigue, digestive and sleep disorders yada yada as lifes fa la las and shit.
Same will be with 2012 swell only a little more intense, still subtle enough to dismiss.
In 2013, I will still be paying my taxes, brushing my teeth, and living the good life.
This stuff is all subtleties and if not hyper sensitive, you never knew anything even happened. However, more people will be hyper sensitive by then.
Ever had something happen to you where life as you once knew it will never be the same again? Graduated from school, left a job, best friend die, got married, had kids, moved to another state or country?
Thats all they mean by end of the world, they mean life as we knew it, it doesn't mean life will end or that EVERYTHING will radically change.
Consider, the good and bad will still be here, we will just not see it as good or bad any more. Our sense of compassion, understanding, allowance, forgiveness, being able to see in the dark (through corruption) unity being, yada yada will make the differences.
It already has been in many peoples lives and will continue to on and through 2012 and past 2012.
Don't fear this stuff. Fear causes resistance which cuts off the flow of integrating these new energies and that causes pressure and then you feel like shit and then you make shit our of your life and break your body down fast and age it quickly.
Expect it to be a cool, fun, love and laughter filled fantastical transformation and you'll enjoy this time and be able to make the most of it and hold onto your health and sanity. 
Just get right with yourself, live in your truth, quit denying who and what you are, the good and the bad, love, allow, accept, forgive, seek to understand before judging, look for the humor in stuff and replace anger with laughter, try on other peoples shoes and everything will be okay.
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I dunno, I haven't experienced waves or tides or flipsticks or anything.
I can say there's a special 'event' called flasabirogavnich recessitonation that's happening to everyone.
The signs are hunger after periods without food, thrist after periods without water. Sometimes you get angry yet sometimes you're happy. You get tired one night and are awake the next day. You may or may not experience a headache from this every so often.
How many of you have been experiencing this crazy phenomenon?
Wait until version two happens! You'll have the same symptoms, except more noticable, and accompanied with the perception of time increasing! This process keeps on building.
If you have this, then you are a Galactoid Transfoogler, or in otherwords, a super mega soul(wo)man
(please buy my book entitled, the transfooglers of the galactoid)
I joke.
It's just my opinion that nothing consensual like this will happen, and that the "changes" many outline are vague things that almost everyone experiences, and have been experieincing long before these fantasies arose
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haha, i now remeber the first time i heard about 2012 theory, i was picturing and intergalactic orgasm :P hehe
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""making weird posts just to confuse that's mean""
how can you know the outcome of what your posting? some cal it weird, some cal it facts, some call it bullshit? it is putting it out there that counts? not how people could judge it?
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Re: Mayans [Re: deff]
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We wont have the option of concent when an asteroid threatens.
An iceage brought on by oceanic desalinization from the icecaps isn't vague, but you're right, everyone will experience it.
A recession like the thirties would surely affect us rich countries more that the already poor ones. Sure poor people would die from being even more poor, but can you imagine your neighbours dying, or your family for that matter, because their isn't enough food to go around?
The mayans understood the cyclical nature of time. They understood that every so many years, events were bound to be repeated. I recently read this book, "Space" by James Michener, where this scientist was figuring out the solar flare cycles. It talked about how the sun was bound to release just so much energy every cycle and would do so at different times for different cycles, but the same amount of energy was released every cycle. If the mayans did actually understand something about a cycle that happens with what frequency they say it does, a whole lot of us are going to die.
I've been warned, have you?
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#3290060 - 10/28/04 03:41 PM (5 years, 24 days ago) |
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Def,
Thats my point. To much emphasis and fear or unrealistic hope is put on this 2012 flipstick.
IT like anything else, will in large part be what you make it out to be or want it to.
I say, make it something fun or reason to check yo self before you wreck yo self, or just ignore it, but don't fear it.
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If I die then I'm dead.
Who cares?
I wasn't referring to the Mayan prophecy itself per se, but rather some of the creative 'takes' on it the new age community have woven, as well as other consensual ascension or end-of-the-world schemes.
They're fun to read I suppose
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Re: Mayans [Re: deff]
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Yeah jiggy, that's what I thought you meant. My post wasn't directed at yours but just a general observation of mine
I just think, why say that about 2012? Why not make it 2004 and make changes now, as we both agree that a consensual change isn't going to happen like it's made out to
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Re: Mayans [Re: deff]
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Are you familiar with the theory of super-volcanos? Apparently they are insanely huge pockets of magma under fault lines. One under the states is 'bound' (any minute now, remember) to erupt and release so much lava that it will likely cover all of north america.
With all the stories I've heard I'm becoming more and more convinced that inland china is goign to be the safest place on earth soon. Like, Tibet maybe.
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These are fear tactics.
They keep you in your home and raise support for someone to protect our helpless selves
I've seen sooooo many 'end-of-the-world" theories that I just dismiss them now, even ones that sound 'scientifically sound'.
Fear sells more books than comfort
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Re: Mayans [Re: deff]
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""I just think, why say that about 2012? Why not make it 2004 and make changes now""
just a thought, but. our planets our solarsytem is traveling through space in a weird pattern, and the place of space we enter at 2012 and onwards, is a "higher" level :P
i picture, we are connected, but the mass connecting us is like pure water, try leading electricity through that? but add some i.e. salt to the distilled water, and your lightbulbe glow and shine,, we are entering a more "salty" part of space if you will, spiraling maybe.
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Re: Mayans [Re: deff]
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Unfortunetly some people go to great lengths to mislead us into giving them money!
I'm a bit of a live for the moment type person so I dont really take these theories seriously either, but I still like reading about the mayans and their predictions as they were a very interesting civilisation... and they took mushrooms
Of course there are also the theories about global disasaters like immense waves caused by landsides.... meteors..... earthquakes..... and ice ages..... These are all very possible and it is highly likely that one of these will happen at some point in the future, we just cant tell when.
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the mayan in me wants some money too
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That was the Venus Transit. You can google it. The swell started to be felt around May 20th.
How many of you even knew the wave came in????????????? You wrote off the mood swings from tears to insane laughter for no reason, natural high rushes, tension, anxiety, fatigue, digestive and sleep disorders yada yada as lifes fa la las and shit.
Same will be with 2012 swell only a little more intense, still subtle enough to dismiss.
In 2013, I will still be paying my taxes, brushing my teeth, and living the good life.
This stuff is all subtleties and if not hyper sensitive, you never knew anything even happened. However, more people will be hyper sensitive by then.
Ever had something happen to you where life as you once knew it will never be the same again? Graduated from school, left a job, best friend die, got married, had kids, moved to another state or country?
Thats all they mean by end of the world, they mean life as we knew it, it doesn't mean life will end or that EVERYTHING will radically change.
Consider, the good and bad will still be here, we will just not see it as good or bad any more. Our sense of compassion, understanding, allowance, forgiveness, being able to see in the dark (through corruption) unity being, yada yada will make the differences.
It already has been in many peoples lives and will continue to on and through 2012 and past 2012.
Don't fear this stuff. Fear causes resistance which cuts off the flow of integrating these new energies and that causes pressure and then you feel like shit and then you make shit our of your life and break your body down fast and age it quickly.
Expect it to be a cool, fun, love and laughter filled fantastical transformation and you'll enjoy this time and be able to make the most of it and hold onto your health and sanity.
Just get right with yourself, live in your truth, quit denying who and what you are, the good and the bad, love, allow, accept, forgive, seek to understand before judging, look for the humor in stuff and replace anger with laughter, try on other peoples shoes and everything will be okay.
So basically, everything we do or do not do is evidence to this "prophecy"?
This prophecy stuff sounded cool when I first heard it, but I've always been skeptical just never said anything. I beleive there are good beneficial thought patterns located within it but I just dont believe this dimensional crossing stuff.
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Ya, I dismiss all that fear stuff too. Why feed anyone your fear to make them feel more powerful. Fuck that. Why don't we sell some slip and fall and crack yout skull in the shower theories if you drink coffee just 10 mintues before or something. I bet some people would stop drinking coffe before a shower. LOL Imagine the shit we could spread on the internet alone. LOL
Ya gomp and def, see even if the alignments are timed for a certain time, you can access the energy of that time any time you want. Why not make it now is right, you can, and many are and have.
It's like pulling other dimensions of time into this one.
This shit is soooooo maleable.
Red, you can start selling your Mayan blumf in about 2024 and clean up.
We should do a S&P experiement. We should write some book with made up shit and words and stuff, call it some new philosophy, get it published and sit back and see what happens.
P.S. Mayan people, I'm not knocking the astronomy cycles of it all, I'm just knocking the doom and gloom crap people attached to them that has so many in fear.
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We should do a S&P experiement. We should write some book with made up shit and words and stuff, call it some new philosophy, get it published and sit back and see what happens.
I believe L. Ron Hubbard beat us to it...
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Re: Mayans [Re: TheDude]
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How bout it dude! 
psyka,
I don't see it as crossing from one dimension to another. I understand it to be a merging of others with this one.
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The Mayans were right on about everything.
Yes, we should ALL perform human sacrifices.
They were right about Cortez being God.
And they foresaw their own demise - NOT!
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Re: Mayans [Re: Swami]
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There were much more concerned about young drug-taking NorteAmericanos 500 years in the future than their own tribe. 
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the mayans are just as delussional as th christians and the new agers thinking that they are special and can foresee some great revelation about an apocolypse or big change. there is an apocolypse and its militarisation of the world and enviromental degradation.
but i guess u dont have to worry to try and make the world better place if jesus or aliens are coming to save us.
meanwhile the earth burns.
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Save yourself from your own self I say!
If you freak out in your own mind and heart, like in a bad drug trip, how the fuck is anyone going to save you from that??????
People only need get a grip on masterying their own selves and overcoming their own fears.
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Re: Mayans [Re: Swami]
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Theres so much misinformation floating around here. Im too tired to tackle it all, but for starters
Swami, you fail to notice that human sacrfice was NOT part of Classic Mayan tradition - they built a giant city rivaling and abandoned it inexplicably ( yes, sometimes jungle overran towns, but not big cities ). Soon, a new group of people came in, claimed the city, the land any people around. Those people were very warlike, introduced stuff like human sacrifice, and stopped building on intellectual acheivements.
The Classic Mayans were vastly different than the people who happened to inhabit their city later on.
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How do you know this? All that Ive read about the mayans say that they were very into their sacrificing, not as much as the aztecs(estimated at 50,000 sacrifices a year!) but still a lot.
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It's common knowledge, really.
I've read it in history books, anthropological museums and the like. Seeing as how I have a bad memory for details, I can't tell you how they found out or even what the conquering tribe's name was. Drat.
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"People only need get a grip on masterying their own selves and overcoming their own fears."
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Hello S & P,
I assume you guys are talking about the Mayans (on a psychedelic message board) in some tangential reference to McKenna's Stoned Ape theory of human evolution with the mushroom. I found some stuff on the SA and a few of the questions it raises. Sometimes the questions are as important as the answers. 
I hope this post isn't too off topic.
"There are many areas in which McKenna's theory needs to be tested against current understanding of human evolution. I've included some examples below:
Visual acuity -- McKenna asserts that low doses of psilocybin in the diet of some primates gave them an evolutionary edge by sharpening their eyesight (specifically, edge detection). It remains to be shown whether the changes in visual processing, taken along with any other changes caused by low dosages of psilocybin, would result in increased reproductive success for primates including the mushrooms in their diet.
Arousal -- McKenna asserts that the "arousal" caused by moderate doses of psilocybin in the diet of some primates gave them an evolutionary edge by increasing their frequency of copulation. However, it remains to be shown that moderate doses of psilocybin increase copulation frequency in primates. Also, copulation frequency is only one factor in overall reproductive success, and could be offset by other factors -- disruption of a sophisticated, social animal's normal mating format is a tricky business.
Panspermia -- Panspermia is tangential to McKenna's stoned ape theory, but is very speculative at this point and requires further evidence.
Prehistoric utopia -- There is significant debate as to the nature of prehistoric human society and values. The evidence for a utopia is speculative and resembles many seductive and incompatable myths in our culture. [note: pre history is a speculative business.]
Mushrooms in Africa -- Were there in fact psilocybin mushrooms in North Africa when our hominid line was evolving there?
Tripping dominators -- Can we explain dominator cultures that regularly used psychedelic plants in their rituals (e.g. Maya)?
Synesthetic sympathy -- Do similar sounds give rise to similar images in people experiencing psychedelic synesthesia? This would strengthen the argument that language grew out of the use of song during psychedelic ritual.
Male-dominance hierarchies -- Did our primate ancestors have male-dominance hierarchies (not all primates seem to)?"
from Sputnik's McKenna Evolution Theory Page
So the post Proto-Classic phase Maya did some ape shit. The ideas are still pretty interesting... and the questions they raise.
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Re: Mayans [Re: ]
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It's no more speculative than any other post in this forum 
I have no idea what Panspermia means, but I'ma hafta find out.
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Yea man.. speculation is the shit.
panspermia has to do with mushroom spores coming from, well... outer space. 
aliens may not pilot saucers after all.
more research!
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"And on December 21/23, 2011, the end of the World."
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Re: Mayans [Re: kaiowas]
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Just like the other hundreds of ends-of-the-world that failed to materialize. If we guess a new one every single year though, someone will accidentally get it right.
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Re: Mayans [Re: Swami]
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but do not forgett?
ends-of-the-world as we know it today :P
this is just the big one :P
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Re: Mayans [Re: Gomp]
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BOOM BAP
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hey goofballs, please check back in on some of terence's essays and read his account of putting the date into the dateless timeline he graphed.
He placed the end of the graph at 2012 all by himself. What was his reasoning? The 500 years from 0 AD onwards, the fall of the roman empire, when graphed, show a pretty similiar pattern to the 1980s graph. Rise of the hair bands = fall of the romans (makes sense to me).
So don't be fooled.. there's nothing magical about terence's graph. He placed the end date in 2012 all by himself, no magical calculations, no genius. Just a big bastardization of an ancient book, math nobody understands, and a silly graph. Only someone with guru status could pull off such sillyness.
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Mixomatosis said:Rise of the hair bands = fall of the romans (makes sense to me).
I don't know...this seems right to me. I had a hunch we were nearing the end of civilization when the hair bands arose. When I found myself playing guitar in one I knew it for sure.
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Re: Mayans [Re: Swami]
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The world ends every moment of every day and rebuilds itself again in that moment.
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So true. The beginning is not in the past and the end is not in the future. Both are annihilated in the present.
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Re: Mayans [Re: Swami]
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Swami said:
The Mayans were right on about everything.
Yes, we should ALL perform human sacrifices.
They were right about Cortez being God.
And they foresaw their own demise - NOT!
that was the aztects *rolls eyes*
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Most of you guys dont' know much about what you are talking about, but argue anyway.
The I Ching: ancient chinese table used for predicting things. (some might call it a divination chart)
McKenna (which I heard him explain it in a lecture I downloaded) figures out crazy ways to manipulate the patterns in I ching. He ends up with 3 numbers. The numbers seem random to him at first. He does a search and finds out the numbers are astrological numbers. He plots them on a Graph. This is called "novelty graph" its a graph of time. the end date is December 21, 2012.
The Mayans did astrological studies and made predictions based on their astrological studies. They predicted December 21, 2012. This was done nearly 5,000 years ago.
Both groups have the same date, and the mayans made their prediction nearly 5000 years ago. Its not some shit thought up by a cooky clan of people. There is no need to believe in Nostradamus and others because they have been wrong about ALOT of the things they predict. well. the mayans? 0%. you guys are all gonna be fucked because you have no idea what you are talking about.
oh yeah, the economy is gonna collapse. just remember 'i told you so'
If you want more information:
compare McKenna's Time Wave Zero Theory, to the Mayans. They both found the exact same date of December 21, 2012. Can anybody explain how they both found the same date? Doesn't that seem a little ridiculous to be fake?
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Do you guys use the Mayan calender?
http://www.starroot.com/cgi/daycalc.pl
http://www.icandosomething.com/mayancalendar/
http://home.earthlink.net/~cosmichand/
http://www.galactichardwarestore.com/tribes%20_2.htm
Check it out and see how well the daily code matches up with reality, or how you match up with your birth day. I've found it's a great tool to see things more clearly.
Also, I think part of the deal with 2012 Dec. 21 is that we are going to be passing through the central galactic plane, we'll be in the middle disk of the galaxy. And that date (every year) is when the sun is at it's lowest point in the horizon, where it stays for a few days (for some strange reason the rise and fall of the sun's position in the sky is on hold for a couple days, hovering at this low point), until it begins to rise again on the 25th. That's what I've heard at least.
As a side note, there's some confusion about who the maya are in this thread. Some of the information being put out that relates to the inca, not maya. You're debating the legitimacy of one of the great civilizations of all time, one of only a handful to develop an independent system of writing, based on the misinformation that you learn in grade school on multiple cultures in the region..and combining it all together.
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Its a bit vague, but it claims i'm night tribe..... I cant figure out what relavence the surrounding images have though, as the one in the middle is what you are then theres four that surround it... what are they all about? Night tribe fits me reasonably well
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At the end of the Mayan calendar they believed the world was destroyed and recreated and then the calendar started over. It was merely symbolic of the renewel of time. They believed that this had occurred six other times, I believe. This is not a doomsday prophecy just a symbol of the cyclic nature of events.
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Swami:
"The Mayans were right on about everything.
Yes, we should ALL perform human sacrifices.
They were right about Cortez being God.
And they foresaw their own demise - NOT!"
I think you are referencing the Aztecs...the city based Mayan civilization collapsed before the coming of Cortez.
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Huehuecoyotl said:
At the end of the Mayan calendar they believed the world was destroyed and recreated and then the calendar started over. It was merely symbolic of the renewel of time. They believed that this had occurred six other times, I believe. This is not a doomsday prophecy just a symbol of the cyclic nature of events.
Which for some may seem like the end of the world as they know it.
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I think you are referencing the Aztecs...the city based Mayan civilization collapsed before the coming of Cortez.
So you think the Mayans were RIGHT about Cortez?!
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Huehuecoyotl said:
At the end of the Mayan calendar they believed the world was destroyed and recreated and then the calendar started over. It was merely symbolic of the renewel of time. They believed that this had occurred six other times, I believe. This is not a doomsday prophecy just a symbol of the cyclic nature of events.
When time renews it won't be the same as this time. Our minds will be thinking on a different level.
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that was the aztects
What is an aztect?
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The Mayans did astrological studies and made predictions based on their astrological studies. They predicted December 21, 2012. This was done nearly 5,000 years ago.
I predict May 23, 2008 will fall on May 23, 2008.
y both found the exact same date of December 21, 2012. Can anybody explain how they both found the same date? Doesn't that seem a little ridiculous to be fake?
There you have it folks. Conclusive proof! Ever hear of back-fitting data?
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Re: Mayans [Re: Swami]
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are you in the right forum?
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For what? Isn't this the "Green Room" where they are holding the wedding reception of Mr.and Mrs. Randall McGillicutty?
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Re: Mayans [Re: Swami]
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The Mayans did astrological studies and made predictions based on their astrological studies. They predicted December 21, 2012. This was done nearly 5,000 years ago.
I predict May 23, 2008 will fall on May 23, 2008.
y both found the exact same date of December 21, 2012. Can anybody explain how they both found the same date? Doesn't that seem a little ridiculous to be fake?
There you have it folks. Conclusive proof! Ever hear of back-fitting data?
this is probably one of the dumbest things i've read. They didn't predict a date based on a date. They predicted a date based on the stars converted into a calender. Back-fitting data? Terrence McKenna proves step by step how he go to the conclusion he did and has written several books about it.
It just so happens on December 21, 2012 that the Sun will move to a unique spot in the sky -- and hold still for a while, since it is solstice day. The Sun will sit precisely on the heavenly crossroads between the Milky Way and the galactic equinox, forming a perfect alignment with the center of the galaxy.
this only happens every 28,500 years. Give the mayans some fucking credit. till an hour ago you didn't even know the difference between maya and the aztec.
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this is probably one of the dumbest things i've read.
Then apparently you did not read your own post.
It just so happens on December 21, 2012 that the Sun will move to a unique spot in the sky --
The sun is always in a "unique" spot, you just happen to choose to assign special meaning to some arbitrary position.
and hold still for a while, since it is solstice day.
I see. On that day the laws of physics will be suspended.
The Sun will sit precisely on the heavenly crossroads between the Milky Way and the galactic equinox, forming a perfect alignment with the center of the galaxy.
Is this poetry or science? There is no heavenly crossroad, no precise galactic center and certainly no "alignment" with a non-existeing point.
this only happens every 28,500 years.
What happens? Nothing at all.
Give the mayans some fucking credit.
They are dead and credit will do them no good.
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Re: Mayans [Re: Swami]
#3382079 - 11/18/04 10:22 PM (5 years, 3 days ago) |
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So far, here are the facts in this thread:
The Mayans predicted the world will end, perhaps symbolically, 12/21/2012
Terrance McKenna had this date as the point where his novelty graph will cross the x axis.
Nothing Else!!! No, "people will be on a different plane" NO reason to believe that. Yeah, you can find it on a nutjob's website. Yeah, he is using the date the Mayans predicted, but can someone give me a source where Mayans predict "Different dimentions will merge on this date?"
And give me a fucking break with the timewave zero. McKenna (R.I.P.) himself barely took it seriously- read his chapter in "Rational Mysticism" (can't recall author). You are missing the point if you are concentration on where it hits zero--- It is just a awesome way of looking at time, Instead of the usual good/evil dichotomies (yawn)- Novelty being a function of it--- A masterpiece by a true novelty seeker.
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Re: Mayans [Re: Swami]
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keep going people, some useful stuff being discussed here.
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pretty isn't she...we have a date...12/21/12...lol...
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There is no prediction that the material world will end, instead it is ?written in the stars? that our current time cycle will come to its conclusion.
The mayans had a different perception and experience of the procession of time. They possessed a very comprehensive astronomy and knew things about the skies and the celestial bodies that the western world has only (re)discovered in this century! (They knew about precession, for instance, so their measurements of celestial movements and events is incredibly exact)
They perceived time to be cyclic, and that these cycles fit into each others according to certain frequencies, most importantly the 13:20. The large cycle of time they perceived is ending on 21/12/2012.
We are shifting into a different frequency, and this shift offers an enormous opportunity for us, on a level of consciousness. What happens on the material level is subject to this change, we create our own reality in a very litteral and direct manner.
also, i wanted to ask swami:
What exactly is your issue? Is there a point to your replies?
Its pretty obvious that you either dont know anything about the subject and have not read nor comprehended anything written in this thread, or do know something and you?re just fucking with people.
Is there actually anything you wish to say, or are you just a reasonably intelligent bored youngster who gets off on nitpicking on little spelling errors. The only thing you are debunking here is your own credibility and intelligence.
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Re: Mayans [Re: BBin]
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to clarify some things about the Maya:
1. they did perform sacrifice. from the Popol Vuh - The Mayan Book of the Dawn of Life:
"Tohil is the source of the first fires kept by human beings,
making it possible for them to keep warm in the cold of the predawn
world. When a great hailstorm puts all these fires out, Tohil restores
fire to the Quiches by pivoting inside his sandal, which is to say that he originates the technology whereby fire is started by rotating a drill in the socket of a wooden platform. The other tribes, shivering with cold, come to the Quiches to beg for fire, but Tohil refuses to let them have it unless they promise to embrace him someday, allowing themselves to be suckled. They agree, not realizing that when the time comes for the Quiche lords to subjugate them, being "suckled" by Tohil will mean having their hearts cut out in sacrifice. "
the Quiches are the most important maya tribe.
2. the maya civilization is not dead. from the introduction to the translation of the aforementioned book:
"The Quiche people speak a Mayan language, say prayers to Mayan mountains and Mayan ancestors, and keep time according to the Mayan calendar. They are also interested citizens of the larger contemporary world, but they find themselves surrounded and attacked by those who have yet to realize they have something to teach the rest of us. For them it is not that the time of Mayan civilization has passed, to be followed by the time of European civilization, but that the two have begun to run alongside one another. A complete return to conditions that existed before Europeans first arrived is unthinkable, and so is a complete abandonment of indigenous traditions in favor of European ones. What most worries daykeepers about people from Europe, and specifically about missionaries, is that they confuse the Earth, whose divinity is equal to that of the celestial God, with the devil. As daykeepers put it, "He who makes an enemy of the Earth makes an enemy of his own body."
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Re: Mayans [Re: a_h_w]
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BBin: "and that these cycles fit into each others according to certain frequencies, most importantly the 13:20. The large cycle of time they perceived is ending on 21/12/2012.
We are shifting into a different frequency, and this shift offers an enormous opportunity for us, on a level of consciousness. What happens on the material level is subject to this change, we create our own reality in a very litteral and direct manner."
WHo SAYS? can you give us a source where the Mayans decided this is the date "we are shifting into different frequencies?"
'there will be a solstice 12/21/2012 is NOt saying the same thing
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my inner mayan says that the math is all wrong.
those who really have to know the end of the world (why I am not sure)
need to recompute the math altogether and work it out from evidence themselves.
also study math, it will wear off the rough edges on the whole issue.
BTW the psychonaut terrence mckenna was really not an authority on this - but he was definitely a psychonaughty fellow, one of the most.
but this calendar crap is not what being mayan or mexican was or is all about anyway.
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Ok, is it possible that this date that the mayans predicted is really just a point in time where the patterns of the movements of earth and the sun reach the end of a long cycle and this means nothing at all rather than it defines a certain point in time where the patterns start over again? Is it possible that the people who interpreted this got widlly carried away with the idea of "the end of this era"?
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the importance of 21/dec/2012 to the maya is inferred from the fact that their calendar actually ends on this date and the fact that they created the most perfect calendar in human history. we're stuck with an irregular calendar that no one can biologically relate to.
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going back to the start from the end, is kinda like building a house from scratch, then when your back to scratch again,instead of again building your house form scratch, you already got the house you live in, so you can expand it from scratch instead?
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Re: Mayans [Re: Gomp]
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Re: Mayans [Re: Gomp]
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nah...
it'd be more like the whole cycle is building your house then dismantling it, so the start is with nothing, and the end of the cycle is when youve finaly dismantled it.... then you start over again......
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why dismantle it?
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Re: Mayans [Re: Gomp]
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to get back to the state which you started at
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Why do that? When you rehab, you just restore whats old, broken and doesn't work and renew what is worn out and outdated with whats fresh.
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Annnnnnnd, the only reason to do a complete tare down -rebuild is if your plan is to make the home, much larger with bigger space, more floors and rooms and waayyyy better.
Either way, as Martha Stewart would say, "it's a good thing".
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i dont think we're quite thinking of the same thing here.
Am talking about the cycle our planet goes through which has nothing to do with building up or tearing down, and conitues on oblivous to what we do.
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We are talking about the same thing my friend.
We are taring down old beleif structures of what hasn't been working for us. We are rebuilding new ones that will serve us better. We are installing new highspeed wiring and are replacing the outdated elctrical wiring and plumbing. We are adding more rooms "dimensions " of consciousness and are increasing the space via the adding of mutliple perceptions.
It's not about the world out there. That will remain the same. How we see it and interact with it is what is changing.
Phooey on that calender. So much has been tweeked out since it was created, its crap. However, a lot of the tweeking and readjusting probably would not have been incited to take place had it not raised so many fears for people to make positive change.
There's some quote that says, "A prophets greater reason for sharing prophecy is so that they will not come to pass." if you know your car breaks are going to fail on you next week, you have a heads up to get them replaced now. You will have altered the prophecy as well and it will not come to pass. Same difference.
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"We are adding more rooms "dimensions " of consciousness and are increasing the space via the adding of mutliple perceptions. "
Could you ellaborate on this? Ive really no knowledge about this whatsoever.
As for the rest of what you spoke of, thats also possible. But I still have a lot of respect for mayans and I would like to know the truth about them what they really meant or believed is going to happen
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Sure ya do- just don't complicate it or think its complicated because none of this is. It's so simple, people wonder what all of the fuss was. Thats what I wish to do, tone down the fuss of the changing times.
Is there anything in life that you now see diferently then you use to? Can you think of any event that you can see from maybe even 3 different points of view with equal weight? Have you ever stopped to consider at looking at something from standing in someone elses shoes?
Thats all this is. We are busting open linear thought patterns, or having only one way to see something- black or white, right or wrong, up or down.
The benefit is gaining understanding and compassion for others by being able to see from their perspective as well. The benefit is being able to co-operate better with this addition of sight so as to be able to come to compromises, win win solutions and ease the conflict in our personal lives.
Another benefit added is the expanded range of creative approaches one is able to apply to old things with new and fresh perspectives. Inovation for problem resolution abounds from being mutli perceptual and or abstract thinking abilities.
As for the ancient Mayans, I know them differently through memory and their pleiadian ties. Knowing the pleaidians helps me to know and understand the influence and wisdom of the ancient Maya. There is evidense of their connection with that star system all over the freaking place.
You will enjoy this book very much as it's all a research compilation on the ancient Maya from many sources who have dedicated their lifes research to them like, Don Miguel Ruiz and the National Geographic Research Society, to many to list. It's well done and provocative.
"Return of the Children of Light" sub title "Incan and Mayan Prophecies for A New World' by Judith Bluestone Polich.
I was watching this cool show On national geographic explorer last year about new discoveries of ancient civilisations in Peru. They found this carving in a rock wall around a cave what they thought looked like some sort of star gate. It was just discovered that year. They panned to a carving on the rock of a face and I FLIPPED OUT and FROZE with CHILLS.
A friend in kauai 8 years ago, did a channeled drawing of a pleiadian bird friend of hers, which I have now, that looked just like that freaking face carving next to the star gate wall. Fucking cool!
The bottom line is, you arn't going to fully understand the ancient maya without having to understand the pleiadian influence they were under. The P's taught them all they knew about astrology, astronomy and math and natural healing and the shamanic ways.
That star system is carved and painted all over their ancient shit. Direct contact with intelligent life from there has not been scientifically proven, it's speculative or for people like me, memory and current relationships are all the proof I need. People need to seek their own or keep on ignoring the possibilities.
If your sincerely interested, you will be enlightened and inspired by the book about the ancient Maya-it's well done, based on scientific research only, with no doom and gloom. Put it on your x-mas gift wish list!
If you get it and read then, feel free to bounce stuff off of me bout it, because there is even more to it. The aztecs are in the book too.
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thanks, i think i'll check those books out.
"Is there anything in life that you now see diferently then you use to? Can you think of any event that you can see from maybe even 3 different points of view with equal weight? Have you ever stopped to consider at looking at something from standing in someone elses shoes?
Thats all this is. We are busting open linear thought patterns, or having only one way to see something- black or white, right or wrong, up or down.
The benefit is gaining understanding and compassion for others by being able to see from their perspective as well. The benefit is being able to co-operate better with this addition of sight so as to be able to come to compromises, win win solutions and ease the conflict in our personal lives."
If anything, i would have thought the demise of our civilisation is because too few people do this well, We've been able to do ths for a long time, but still too many people are selfish in their ways with no regardfor the long term consequences.
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then why get back to the state which you started at?
you are already there? :P
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""Annnnnnnd, the only reason to do a complete tare down -rebuild is if your plan is to make the home, much larger with bigger space, more floors and rooms and waayyyy better.
Either way, as Martha Stewart would say, "it's a good thing". ""
but if you build your house, whit that in mind it could be growing, you could take taht in account when boulding the house you gona ocupy, and therby eliminating the only reason to do a complete tare down -rebuild ??
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then why get back to the state which you started at?
you are already there? :P
it wouldnt be a cycle otherwise then would it? :p
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""it wouldnt be a cycle otherwise then would it? :p ""
why not?
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A cycle is something that is repeated over and over again.....
if its not the same at the start again its not being repeated but something new is happening... and therefore not a cycle....
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working from "A periodically repeated sequence of events"
""A cycle is something that is repeated over and over again.....""
yes the sequence is repeated over and over again..
""if its not the same at the start again its not being repeated but something new is happening... and therefore not a cycle.... ""
but it was the sequence beeing cycled?
it is the events we are 'building'?
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Cortez did not make contact with the Mayans. Cortez mobilized the Mazatec tribes, amoung a few others, against the Aztecs. They did not seriously think Cortez was a God...he offered revenge against their oppressors, the Aztecs. It was Motecuhzoma that made the superstitious mistake of tolerating Cortez's presense in Tenochtitl?n (The Heart of the One World) until it was too late.
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They did not think that this was a destructive thing. They recognized that life would continue.
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WHo SAYS? can you give us a source where the Mayans decided this is the date "we are shifting into different frequencies?"
The chief reason is that we are now at a stage, the Galactic Under2012 in the Mayan calendar, that favours the right brain half and the intuitive faculties of our mind that are mediated by this. And so, we may expect that the upcoming Venus transit will launch an era of communications utilizing mental rather than electromagnetic fields.
http://www.experiencefestival.com/a/Venus_Transit/id/2042
For more info do a search about the Galactic Underworld. There is a TON of awesome info out there. Basically what they are saying is that we will evolve into a complete differnt mind set and reality.
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BTW the psychonaut terrence mckenna was really not an authority on this - but he was definitely a psychonaughty fellow, one of the most.
He has be studying ontological foundations of Shamanism and the Ethnopharmacology of spiritual transformation for the past quarter century. Terence knows what he's talking about! Also he didn't just copy the Mayans date; it was a cooicedince that his date matched up with the Mayans.
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Phooey on that calender. So much has been tweeked out since it was created, its crap.
If by tweeked you mean changed, it hasn't. It is displayed in the Museum of Anthropology in Mexico City i belive...
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need to recompute the math altogether and work it out from evidence themselves
The math isn't all that diffucult. They just looked at the end date of the calendar and converted it to our Gregorian Calendar.
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you are already there? :P
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hey evan, you still havnt given your thoughts on the possibilty that our gregorian calender is a couple years out
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It is very important to note that the Mayans were MUCH MORE CONCERNED about the fate of young drug-takers in another country 500 years in the future than the fate of their own culture.
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this is probably one of the dumbest things i've read.
Then apparently you did not read your own post.
It just so happens on December 21, 2012 that the Sun will move to a unique spot in the sky --
The sun is always in a "unique" spot, you just happen to choose to assign special meaning to some arbitrary position.
and hold still for a while, since it is solstice day.
I see. On that day the laws of physics will be suspended.
The Sun will sit precisely on the heavenly crossroads between the Milky Way and the galactic equinox, forming a perfect alignment with the center of the galaxy.
Is this poetry or science? There is no heavenly crossroad, no precise galactic center and certainly no "alignment" with a non-existeing point.
this only happens every 28,500 years.
What happens? Nothing at all.
Give the mayans some fucking credit.
They are dead and credit will do them no good.
You said "What happens? Nothing at all" Y
Its called "precession" Also, I meant to say 25,800 years not 28,500 years. Its not poetry it IS science. Its called "precession". Say it with me now, "precession" check out the link below.
http://www.synapses.co.uk/astro/precess.html
IT is "unique" because it alligns itself in the center of the Milky Way Galaxy which only happens every 25,800 years... The rest of the time it stays the same.
And for your comment about the sun standing still, thats what solstice means. It means SUN STANDING STILL in Latin. You obviously don't know what a solstice is at all or you wouldn't have even said that.
http://www.infoplease.com/spot/solstice.html
I would suggeest you not argue about astrology or any other subject which you have no knowledge in. You have no idea what you are talking about. Everything you said I have given you factual responses which can be proved in many more resources than the just links I posted.
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as in, a few years were missed out a oouple centuries back. I dont know the details, i could try and find out though
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Its not poetry it IS science.
And for your comment about the sun standing still, thats what solstice means. It means SUN STANDING STILL in Latin.
Ther is nothing to STOP the sun from moving (See: Newton); hence this is a poetic and not a scientific description.
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Evan,
I greatly appreciate your passion regarding this topic. I wasn't calling the calender crap, just all of the negativity and misinformation surrounding it.
Time is obsolete now, it's all here, the grids are all in place, plug in when ya want to. The gateways are all available, just hit the frequency tone with your energy body , it's the key, and through you go.
This fear hub bub, it's just what one sees wearing these 3-D glasses. Take them off and you will see the paradise that has always been here. The rest will take on a flat quality.
Free will rules. 2012 won't happen to you even when it comes and goes, you make it happen whenever you want to. Ya so, the calender is a tangible piece, but think of it as being just a symbol for a cycle that has no time, a symbol ever present in the now of time obsolete.
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Get a grip on reality, man...read a book on the Mayans...not the new age rubbish you have been feeding yourself, but an actual factual book on the Mayans. I have studied MesoAmerican Indian tribes (and their spiritual traditions)for nearly a decade, and I have read little that indicated that their calendar was anything other than a system of organizing time...with spiritual references thrown in to the symbolism, but still only a calendar. McKenna, while a great writer, was not one of the greatest minds of the 20th century (read flake...a nice flake...but a big one).
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*GASP* HERETIC! 
Somebody get some brush and a fire...
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hey i have mckennas rare video called timewave zero.. if anyone has a server i can upload to share with whoever wants it drop me a pm .
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Heretic...I like the sound of that...
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If you have studied the meso american indian cultures for a decade, i would find it really strange that you havent found any spiritual references to the traditional long count calendar, which is still in use by peoples today.
The people following the traditional long count do not all support the (according to some opinions: "new agey") dreamspell calendar, which was adapted from the long count calendar by jose arguelles (it also incorperates symbolic systems from several different cultures by the way) Allthough, it has to be mentioned that Jose Arguelles was officially appointed 'closer of the cycle' by a council of tribe elders during a traditional ceremony.
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hey i have mckennas rare video called timewave zero.. if anyone has a server i can upload to share with whoever wants it drop me a pm .
drop me a PM and i'm upload it.
I believe that terence mckenna is one of the greatest minds of the 20th century. He's absolutely brilliant.
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TM was an artist and pseudoscience was his medium. I love his theories on humanity evolving with mushrooms as a catalist. Why? it is creative, inspiring, and novel. However, it isn't true. When all was said and done, McKenna himself knew that, but he knew what value was in his work.
Noone looks at a painting by Picasso and calls the distorted cubist faces "innacurate" or "amazingly lifelike" It is art, and that is the key to understanding TM. I strongly urge anyone that either discounts McKenna or bases their worldview on him to read his chapter "Rational Mysticism" I can't remeber the author, but it is one of the last interviews of his life, and he discusses his life's work and what one should get out of it.
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I DID say there are spiritual references in the Mayan calendar, BUT the symbolism of the calendar ending and restarting was symbolic of the continuity of life and renewal...both common shamanic themes. Read: "A Forest of Kings : The Untold Story of the Ancient Maya" by David Freidel, Linda Schele. It is one among many fine books about the Mayans. I am tired of seeing this doomsday crap associated with the Mayan culture...it is simply not relevant to that subject. As far as the Mayan spititual traditions go, outside of the symbolism, very little detailed information is known, other than they were a polytheistic culture ruled by a lineage of Shaman/Kings. It is thought (conjecture) that the collapse of their culture was caused by Aztec influences creeping into their belief system leading to widespread human sacrifice and the seizure of wideranging political power by the preisthood causing the populace to desanctify their idols and shatter their alters before abandoning the cities. Many of their mythological stories are known, but their actual spiritual practices are mostly educated conjecture.
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I've listened to every lecture I could get my hands on. And i've come to a similar conclusion you have. Terence wasn't preaching at all, he was just trying to get people to THINK, get people to ask questions. Question authority, society, science, religion, all of our values. He definetly was a great man, one of the best thinkers? WHo knows, who comes up this these titles anyway? I've always enjoyed his ideas..
He really taught me that we really know absolutely nothing for sure. We are constantly staring mystery in the face. And remember mystery is not the same as an unsolved problem.
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as in, a few years were missed out a oouple centuries back. I dont know the details, i could try and find out though
That is a good point. Although I believe that humans have been keeping good time around the world I don't know with all certainty. My knowledge regarding time keeping is limited.. one thing I did think about is carbon dating; with that alone we could figure out we are in the correct year. But you bring up a very strong point
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Its not poetry it IS science.
And for your comment about the sun standing still, thats what solstice means. It means SUN STANDING STILL in Latin.
Ther is nothing to STOP the sun from moving (See: Newton); hence this is a poetic and not a scientific description.
During a solstice it appears to stand still. And that is what I said. Just the illusion of it standing still. When I said "and hold still for a while, since it is solstice day" I used it in the context of observing the sky. Here is how the sun appears to stand still during solstice:
"The word solstice derives from the Latin and literally means sun standing still. (Sol meaning sun and sistere meaning to stand still.) "How can the sun stand still?" you ask. Well, it doesn't actually stand still in the sky, it continues its unrelenting daily march westward across the sky, but for a moment, its north/south movement is halted. On this day, the annual swing of the sun's position reaches its northernmost point and, like a pendulum at the apex of its swing, halts momentarily and then reverses direction.
If you have been watching the elevation of the noonday sun increase daily since the equinox (actually since the winter solstice last December) or the northward advance of the points on the horizon of sunrise and sunset, you will have noted the change in position slowing over the past few days (in sharp contrast to the rapid changes occurring around the equinox). In the days following the solstice, the position of the noon elevation will be a little lower, and the positions of the sunrise and sunset a little further south. But during these few days surrounding the solstice, the changes may be almost imperceptible to the eye. This gives the impression that the sun is standing still in the sky." (http://www.islandnet.com/~see/weather/almanac/arc_1999/al99bjun.htm)
That is what I was referring to, and I'm sorry If it seemed as if I were saying the sun physically stopped. But once again, if you actually knew what a solstice was you wouldn't have played devil's advocate.
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J4SON, that was a great post I encourage everybody to listen to a terence McKenna lecture before just blowing him off as a psychonaut who knows nothing. He really does make you think!
http://deoxy.org/mckenna.htm
Scroll down "Spoken Word : Digital Audio"
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TM was an artist and pseudoscience was his medium. I love his theories on humanity evolving with mushrooms as a catalist. Why? it is creative, inspiring, and novel. However, it isn't true. When all was said and done, McKenna himself knew that, but he knew what value was in his work.
Noone looks at a painting by Picasso and calls the distorted cubist faces "innacurate" or "amazingly lifelike" It is art, and that is the key to understanding TM. I strongly urge anyone that either discounts McKenna or bases their worldview on him to read his chapter "Rational Mysticism" I can't remeber the author, but it is one of the last interviews of his life, and he discusses his life's work and what one should get out of it.
I didn't read this whole thread, but I happened to read that post, and that was a great post right there.
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I agree. That was a great post. My brain goes into a totally different mode when interpeting the things TM says. I love it.
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Evan and MovingTarget:
No, we didn't miss out a few years. Carbon dating wouldn't be our best bet here, it has a large margin of error, just simple stuff you would overlook, for example:
-Recurrances of Haley's Comet (75? years) which has a record going back to sightings 1000 years ago
I am sure there are other celestial events that can tell us we didnt just forget to change the calandar for a year or two
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fair enough, but i'm not convinced.
Still need to find out more about this though
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