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MushroomFriend
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is this an invitation?
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Iamthewalrus
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lol ;-D
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mushroommark
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Iamthewalrus said: do you have a laundry sink? if so thats all you need for straw and poo...I fill it up with hot water till its almost over the pillow case then dump a freshly boiled pot of water into the sink then leave it for 12 hours...I then drain my shit bag(lol) and straw/verm bag for around 3 hours....its usually perfect by then...I don't test teh straw's water content I just leave for 3 hours with even amount of verm...the poo I can squeeze like I dunno 5 drops outta if I squeeze really hard...you don't want it too wet...having the verm in adds PLENTY of moisture for the casing
EDIT: oh and I also add a lil bit of crushed limestone in a sock and a swig of bleach for good measure
hahaha just as I started to write you, I am the Walrus came on my computer. ha ha I am the eggman!
Sorry, anyways, that sentence before last you say "having the verm in adds PLENTY of moisture for the casing" you mean the sub right?? I'm assuming so.
I'm gonna definately give something very similar a shot, now that you mention it I remember the pic of the sink from an earlier post of yours and your method I remember. It doesn't sound like it is an exacting science, much easier than I thought previously, and the drain time sounds pretty reasonable. My moisture content on my sub sounds VERY similar to yours which is good to hear.
And about the verm, I have always been pasteurizing half worm castings/ half verm as per eatu's instructions, which probably explains why my moisture content is similar to yours.
I think I definately need to add more straw just cause I see some big fruits come from straw... But, hey, since we are talking about prepping subs, why don't I just show you pretty much how I've done every tub up until this point:
Ok ,this is DT#10. It is pretty much the exact same thing I have been doing with worm castings for the other tubs only instead I picked up a bag of steer manure I saw at the garden store. It was 2 cubic feet for only like $3:
I have no idea if this stuff will work, but for the price...That's half the price of castings for twice the amount. It was the right consistency and smelled like earth. Could be a waste of time, but figured I'd try something new.
Some of my ratios have differed slightly for the other tubs, but not by much. I left out straw on some, on some tubs I used three turkey tins. All have tubs to date, except #1 and#2, have had 5 qts of spawn.
But on to DT #10:
I took the steer manure (usually it's worm castings) and scooped 12 cups into each turkey tin. Then I scoop 12 cups of verm and add just a little more than 1 quart of water(out of the sink). I mix it thoroughly with gloves on and put foil over each turkey tin. (Now when I say there are a certain # of turkey tins my tubs, you know how I have prepped them)
The straw let soak for 24 hrs. I don't think this is enough to really notice a big difference with yield or anything, but I always get bored of shredding it with the blender(thanks walrus) right after I start:
The straw is soaked like that for 24 hrs in this tub then put into quarts and then into the PC (at the same time I am cooking the poo) I PC the straw for 2 hours at 15 lbs. and past the poo for about 3 hrs at 170 F:
Above ^^^^ shows the three stages of putting it into the jars. I usually just use the same lids I use for spawn (with a hole to release pressure and to give air exchange when making spawn) and then throw some foil over the top. I PC for two hours, as per eatu's instructions, (if anyone has had luck PCing straw for shorter let me know) Everything going:
That ^^^ is a house address thing I stole in the background. lol, and I don't even smoke weed no more (too much homework).
Let everything cook and cool til the next day and then spawn:
When I spawn I bring it into my "clean Bathroom" after letting the hepa run for at least a half hour. wash hands and arms, wear latex gloves, rinse gloves with alcohol, wear painters mask, alcohol down DT(with extra two holes as per walrus' suggestion)
After mixing it all together is the pic below. When mixing, it actually takes like thirty minutes to get most every piece of rye seperated from the rest. I have a qut of birdseed sitting around that I want to use eventually to see if it is easier to spawn with, plus the increased number of points in contact with the substrate.
I just use a spoon that I PC'd with the straw previously to spoon out the rye spawn. When I squeeze the sub and straw mix pretty hard I get just a few drops to come out:
I throw some tapes with pieces of foil on the sides, write down some info regarding spawn method, date,etc on a piece of masking tape on side and put into the dark room. (as well as recording more detailed info on my word processor) This was about(very aprox) 3 inches of sub after everything said (spawn, straw and poo) and done. I'm estimating high, so it's probably a little less.
I wipe off lid with alcohol and place tub in my dark room (I showed a pic earlier, actually just a walk in closet, now full of tubs ).
So that is more or less the method I have used for all the tubs so far...
Casing
I PC the coir/verm (50:50) and add a layer (aprox 4 quts full) once the sub is completely white. Keep an eye on it, patch once or twice(I need to make casing depth markers recommended by mycofile, cause patching is a bitch), then birth.
Other tubs I got going
Some of my tubs have been 2 turkey tins of sub w/ 2 qts straw, some have been 3 turkey tins w/ no straw, one I just spawned the other day I decided to put a half quart of spawn on top of the sub and it is already completely white. I'll probably let the underneath catch up, then case in a day or two.
DT#3 is actually four turkey tins. Unfortunately I haven't shredded enough straw to do a 50 straw / 50 poo yet. I really think the small amount of straw could be a limiting factor.
It'll be interesting to see the difference, to see if the extra sub depth is helpful(well at least as far as the first two flushes are concerned).
In Conclusion
Well, DT #10 is sitting, hopefully eating through that steer manure nicely right now, or it might have fungicides in it that I don't know about and it's killing my myc. lol. I guess well find out together. Unfortunately, I won't be opening the tub until I case, but I'll be sure to take pictures at that point.
Well, I hope that is a good description of how my tubs have been being set up. I am pretty much following eat's tek to a T. So far so good, but definately some improvements to be made.
Remember this is only my third grow, so I'm not too far off.
Please, please, please, let me know if this description was good or not. If something is unclear please let me know and I will go back and clarify it(probably edit this post) Ask any questions that you may have! :
But please let me know if this was a good, detailed description cause I'm trying to make it helpful to others out there planning on trying bulk. And you that have been reading probably know by now that I love feedback!! Just want to know everybody's reading this, ya know.
Walrus, thanks for the advice for the pasteurizing, I will be giving it a shot soon. Probably will post pics, maybe not, but I figure I might as well let other learn from my mistakes.
Soon, the next tubs I buy, I want to try some of the new methods I mentioned in one of the previous posts. By then hopefully these tubs will have taught me what works good and what doesn't work so good.
Well hope you enjoyed another one of my essays!!! lol mushymark
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mushroommark
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I decided to start another post just to spread things out a little: I also patched DT#7 today, Here's my data:
DT #7 ? Z strain 2 turkey tins worm castings 3 packed qts straw- sterilized @ 2 hrs 5 qts Z Spawned 2/19 - covered holes w/ tape during spawn run I must mention covering the holes with tape cut my spawn run time in half. Thanks walrus for this tip! cased 2/24 - casing much closer to field capacity, drips when squeezed hard, almost black color, 4.5 quts casing added
Those are my notes on this tub up until today. Having the casing much moister seemed to help the myc rip right through!! or it could Z strain which I've read is quite fast.
So today I patch was definately in order ( I really need to make those damn PVC casing depth markers, cause this casing was obviously applied very unevenly. I shouldn't have to patch at all):
I then patched by sprinkling casing VERY lightly over all myc. I misted quite heavily with H20/H2O2.
A question: is it okay to mist casing even when myc is poking through the surface?? A couple of tubs almost ready to birth I think I'd like to mist before placing on the top tub and placing in the light.
That's the depth of DT #7. I should have used a ruler for scale I realize now. you can also see the white duct tape I used to cover the holes in that tub. On the side of the tape facing towards the tub there is a strip of foil covering it that was swabbed with alcohol before being applied.
Well that is the updates for the day. I'm not sure of the action tomorrow, but I probably won't post pics til Thurs cause I used all my space really late tonight and won't have more space to REALLY late tommorrow...
Gotta do some Homework and crash.. enjoy and remember to let me know what you think!
mushymark
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Mitchnast
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what the hell does one do with so much shrooms? stuff a bed?
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mushroommark
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fuck, somehow, i don't what the fuck happened cause I can't see any holes or drips after completely dismantling it, but my tub in tub incubator leaked almost all of it's water out of it on the carpet in my upstairs apartment.
what a fucking mess! I was planning on getting some work done today, but i guess now I have to figure out what went awry with the setup. I figured the fish tank heater melted the tub or something but there are no holes visible. I can't even find any drips from the bottom tub (the one holding the water) when I lift it up. wierd... all I know is half the room's floor is sopping wet and the tub in tub is almost out of water...
I'll let you know what happened or I might just need to go buy another bottom tub from walmart. but shit, i'd sure like to diagnose the problem so it doesn't happen again. So if I don't get around to pics tonight, that's probably why... but I'll make sure to take pics of any work and post them manana....
shit, man I wish I had a lot of shrooms... maybe one day...then i'll figure out what to do with them...i'm sure i can find someone to donate them to...
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kraj
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Well first off you've definitely been one of the most ambitious and devoted members i've seen around the shroomery since i've been here. You definitely jumped in head first to all of this and it seems like you've been doing very well.
I wish I knew more about DTs as to me being able to help you but in my current situation I can't explore this route quite yet.
Anyways, Very big thumbs up and 5 shrooms to you!
P.S. Great work on that girl too She's gorgeous, Hold on to that one.
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mushroommark
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Re: Double Tubs [Re: kraj]
#3859351 - 03/02/05 07:32 PM (19 years, 21 days ago) |
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fuck, okay, so I found a hairline crack going through the bottom tub around where the supports hit the ground. What a bitch!!! Well , I guess I'm going to wal mart to get another tub... I'm thinking if I use the tub with the hairline crack at the bottom of the other tubs it may help keep the support on the new tub from breaking again.
That probably didn't really make sense... but I just hope it helps, cause I've used every towel in the house to clean up the water, it's still not dry. it's a 40 gallon tub, so probably like 20 gallons of water on the ground total.. shit
mushymark
whoo hoo my 100th post
Edited by mushroommark (03/02/05 07:32 PM)
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mushroommark
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Re: Double Tubs [Re: kraj]
#3859385 - 03/02/05 07:36 PM (19 years, 21 days ago) |
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thanks alot kraj, I really appreciate the comments... I'm shocked at how much work it takes to keep a really good log and try to make sense to people what I'm doing...so the feedback really helps me to stay up that extra hour or two and fill everyone in on what I'm doing...
also, I have to give this camera back soon, but if I feel like everyone is really enjoying what I am doing on here than I plan on just getting one of my own and keep my logs going....
By the way, anyone have any good suggestions for a camera at around the 300 dollar range...???
thanks mushymark
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Iamthewalrus
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I hate when shit like that happens.. still haven't read everything but I will...I opened the flood gates! jk I'm really glad to see someone else keeping this great thread alive(I will have more to come soon with edibles and a lil something else I'm workin on)
EDIT: oh and ya I meant the sub for the verm
Edited by Iamthewalrus (03/02/05 07:53 PM)
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mushroommark
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FUCK, just like I expected total yeild for DT#3 flush #1 was 55.6 grams cracka dry. It's definately an improvement from my first two tubs, but not by much...
and mind you, that this was four turkey tins and DT#1 was like 1 turkey tin, and DT#2 was two turkey tins... it seems that the extra sub didn't help at all.
DT#3 is also showing LOTS of aborts on it's second flush i'm afraid because of the misting I did to many of the pins...i'll keep my fingers crossed.
I'll I can do is keep telling myself that this is only my third grow... hopefully the fan going on DT#4 will show some improvements. Unfortunately, I haven't been able to keep it going as much as I'd like, I haven't quite got my room settled down where everything is comfortable.
I'm really feeling like changing the substrate...matter of fact, i'm not going to do another grow with these worm castings. I just don't feel like my water content could be THAT far off.
So I am narrowing it down to substrate and air exchange... could be strain, but I know better than to just blame strain performance for poor results. Well I'll know soon enough with some tried and true Z and Tex being birthed today or tomorrow.
What frustrates me is when I talk to someone like Magash who did his simple rye casing tek and averaging at least 19 grams dry per 1 qt of rye, often 28 grams per flush dry. DT#3 had FIVE quarts of spawn. FIVE. There is some missing link. Or when I look at someone like penlights grow with straight cased rye...something like a yield of 135 grams dry..
I don't know...but believe me I'm keeping my head up...I know I'm fresh into this and theres lots to learn. Hey at least everyone is enjoying my posts it would seem. And you never know, these next tubs myc is poking through pretty even and that steer manure may work out... I may have something to show for my efforts yet.
mushymark
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Civ
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. it's a 40 gallon tub, so probably like 20 gallons of water on the ground total.. shit
Man that sucks, I have the same tubs - but I decided not to put water in cuz they are heavy as hell with that much water. Then I saw your posts and was like "damn he did it" Then yours broke, sorry man :P
They are perfect size for inccubating the DTs though. I am in love with heatbombs, so I just stick a milk carton sized one inside.
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Edited by Civ (03/03/05 11:06 AM)
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mushroommark
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Re: Double Tubs [Re: Civ]
#3861184 - 03/03/05 02:33 AM (19 years, 21 days ago) |
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civ, what are the heat bombs you refer to?... I love the tubs cause I really have so many jars that I kinda of need those. I bought another one tonight, they are actually the 50 gallon ones, you're right they get HELLA heavy.
I'm thinking that if I use the broken one to support the new bottom tub that it will place less stress on the part that gave away this time, but I'm still quite hesitant. A heat bomb, I'm thinking like my fish tank heater in a gallon jar inside the tub?? That might just do the trick. Glad to hear your reading bro, and thanks for the comments.
Okay so today's work:
I don't get around to doing much of anything today. A trip to walmart for some basic supplies and lots of cleaning up.
Work to come Tomorrow one tub is being birthed for sure, more details to come with pics... possible two tubs.. they have slightly different amounts of myc sticking thru casing so it might be good to see them side by side birthed, also convenient.
The tub that I spread spawn over the top of the tub also needs cased if i get around to making more casing.
This weekend I plan on buying 8 more iris tubs for a total of 4 DT's. Was gonna buy 16 tubs, but I don't want to overwhelm myself. Sometimes I start to freak with all this stuff going. and all the things I want to try, just got to tell myself that it will come with time. I may just need to slow down a bit and let myself catch a breath...
Also have some horse poo on the way from the new vendor tenn stud. I'm determined to try a new sub cause I don't think my prep method is the problem.
DT #3 - flush #1 report For tonight, here's the dried pics of DT#3 flush #1 only 55.8 grams, a tad bit more than I thought previously:
Definately tell it didn't dry out to alot. Shrooms were VERY hollow... I'm blaming it on the substrate and moving on. Not gonna let it get to me. I'm looking forward to using the new horse poo, not sure if i'm gonna use straw or not...depends if I feel like a little one on one with the blender
Just a reminder I was runnin on empty all night, so it reminds to remind everybody out there to make good use of your PC:
okay, well fuck it, I don't think I gave you guys enough pics today.... and I really don't feel like starting a new tub today... so I went and cracked a couple tubs in the dark room (incubation room), say thank you caused I promised not to do that jk:
DT#5:
DT#5 - Zen strain 2 turkey tins No straw 9 qts zen jars spawned 1/28 - took for days to colonize without tape over holes and too cold temp (now heating dark room with dehydrator) cased 2/17 ? 4 qts of casing a little less than 1/2 in casing layer ? not quite at field capacity when casing layer applied. Misted, casing still not quite at field capacity
If I repeat this ^^^^ info it's just cause I'm copying and pasting out of my notes on the tubs, that way you don't have to search through my old posts to find out what every tub is... let me know repeating this basic info helps... #5 I patched once, and for the rest of tubs, patching is indicated in basic info notes.
I plan on birthing #5 tomorrow, the pic makes it look a little whiter than it is... I probably should have birthed today, what are your guys thoughts???? Pic of #5 with lid cracked:
DT #6 Texas strain and looks VERY similar... i think I should've birthed today, but I'm just not sure... when I birth i will give the basic details...
Okay this is DT #9
DT #9 ? TEXAS 2 turkey tins worm castings ? turkey tin past @ 170 for 3 hrs No straw 5 qts tex- slight blue in one jar spawned 2/23 ? cover holes with tape, cover spawn surface with ? qt spawn, no drops out of sub when squeezed hard (maybe a little dry)
I'm sure it just looks really colonized cause the half quart of spawn placed on top...i'm just waiting for the bottom to catch up before casing...let me know what you pros reading this think.... time to case??? I'd say tomorrow if I'm not feeling super lazy...
Here's my dehydrator recommended by agar, found it at a second hand store for like 30 bucks. I keep the heat setting on 95 F and keep it in my dark room (incubation room/walk in closet), it's helped colonization of sub and casing times IMMENSELY by increasing the temp of the room at least 10 degrees:
Enjoys those pics of the sub and casing, they were very dangerous
Like always I can't let you guys off the hook before reminding you to LEAVE FEEDBACK.
Let me know if I should buy my own camera to keep this log going strong... well I hear my o-chem homework calling me from the other room..
until next time "ryan seacreast: out!!!" jk
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Civ
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civ, what are the heat bombs you refer to?... I love the tubs cause I really have so many jars that I kinda of need those. I bought another one tonight, they are actually the 50 gallon ones, you're right they get HELLA heavy
A heat bomb, I'm thinking like my fish tank heater in a gallon jar inside the tub?? That might just do the trick.
Here is a link to ohmatics' heatbomb thread.
You idea sounds good, go for it man, you will notice the difference.
I have noticed myc really hates a change in temps, while colonizing. Back and forth, hot to cold,light to dark. It likes whatever its getting, steady - and the bombs' are good at keeping temps steady, where you need them steady.
I have a little 10watt $7.99 WM aquarium heater in a 1qt jar and a super (overkill) 75watt aquarium heater that I have set to the lowest setting in a 1gal pickle jar. Both inside their own 50gal tubs, they raise the temp(my chamber is at 81 now), just enough over the ambient temp in my house ~73.
-------------------- "...Gal's seem to hate the thought of blending chicken shit in a blender. So, wash it well afterwards & DON'T tell them..." -Agar
Edited by Civ (03/03/05 12:02 PM)
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mushroommark
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Re: Double Tubs [Re: Civ]
#3863233 - 03/03/05 03:17 PM (19 years, 20 days ago) |
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thanks, civ, that's what I was thinking of..
MY fish tank heaters are really big, so I'm gonna look into it. See if I can find a glass jar to fit it into. The tubs that I need are sold out at wal mart so things just aren't getting incubated today until I find a new tub or figure something out.
I agree, steady temps are a big help to speeding up colonization. G2G usually are done in around five, sometimes seven, days at 83 F. I wish I didn't have so many DT's and limited space or i'd like to incubate them all at the correct temp.
Speaking of which, I probably should never turn off the dehydrator in my dark room.... well I can't stand to run it empty so I guess the tubs will have to be cooler than I'd like until next harvest.
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MushroomFriend
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Re: Double Tubs [Re: Civ]
#3863370 - 03/03/05 03:38 PM (19 years, 20 days ago) |
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Did not read everything about this "heat discussion" but for fruiting you dont need extra heat.
If your temps are at 73F thats just fine.....
EDIT: saw you were talking incubating...
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MushroomFriend
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MushroomMark,
Ive done 2 bulk grows so far, 2 worth mentioning that is.
1. GT on straw/poo 2,5 Quart of WBS spawn to 2,5 sq. feet of substrate, 2-3 inch thick.
Almost 90 grams dry, first flush.
2. Orissa on straw/poo. 1,5 Quart of WBS spawn to less then 1 sq. foot of substrate, 3 inch thick.
Almost 60 grams dry, first flush.
And I clean them by cutting their feet of, no hassle in taking peat and verm away and they dry faster.
I think bulk is a good way to stretch your spawn, I guess Ill never case straight grain.
So, there definately is hope!
MF
Edit: I read that you use worm castings in ur substrate. Dont have any knowledge or xperience about that. My substrate in both CASES was straw with a little horse poo added, didnt measure I think 5-15% poo. Worth a try?
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mushroommark
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Okay DT #6
DT#6 - Texas 2 turkey tins worm castings No straw 5 qts Tex spawned 1/30 too cold temps and no tape covering holes keeping in CO2 lead to long spawn times - almost a month cased 2/18- 4 qts casing ? colonized over 100% - large amount of water build up along bottom of sub bed, poured out when cased ? possibly due to overly wet sub or over colonization (myc piss)
2/27 ? patched myc showing about 60% but only in center, Birthed 3/3 ? white poking out extensively, similar to #5
Okay this is the pics right before adding the second tub, I decided not to mist at all just take off lid and add alcohol swapped top tub:
#5, which I described last night looks pretty similar..
what does everyone think, is this the right time to birth, I'm thinking a little earlier would have been better, a little too much white showing through, but whatever...
I definately need to work on even applying of casing layer I have decided.
Currently in fruiting: okay so I have four DT's in fruiting mode in the main room at about 73 F.... 1 is post first flush, all the rest are waiting for first flush... pins showing on DT#4...
And still to come:
those are in the dark room, (no dehydrator running, probably a little cooler than I would like) will be patching two of the tubs tonight, should be casing one when I get off my ass, and one is steer manure from the other day.
plus, I NEED to get more tubs this weekend...
Well until next time folks.
mushymark
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mushroommark
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Thanks for the input and encouragement MF... those results sound great, pretty much what I am aiming for... shoot me a link to those threads if you can..
I am definately giving some real poo a try, some is on the way from tenn stud right now. I plan on adding some straw also, maybe just putting forth the effort and blender work and adding a lot of straw to at least one of the tubs with the horse poo...
I'm not giving up hope... I know I can pull some good flushes, just have to try new things til something works. these are bulk neglect tubs I figure.
Thanks again for the encouragement. mushymark
EDIT: MF, if you can't give a link...how did you grow your bulk tubs: in a greenhouse(martha) in trays, DT's, or just regular tub with fanning, regular tub with alternate means of air exchange?
Any details would be wonderful!!
Edited by mushroommark (03/03/05 06:35 PM)
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