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 Re: The Coffee Project [Re: Simisu]
#2967720 - 08/05/04 10:57 AM (7 years, 9 months ago) |
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Do a regular grow the first time.
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Re: The Coffee Project [Re: Hippie3]
#2968533 - 08/05/04 02:04 PM (7 years, 9 months ago) |
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im on my first grow,a nd a thnking about throwing sum coffe into the mix. dont use coffe straight though... try like 1/6 coffe to water ratio (1 part coffe, 5 parts water) when mixing up the substrate. or try dunking in that.
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Re: The Coffee Project [Re: 4hodmt]
#2969213 - 08/05/04 04:55 PM (7 years, 9 months ago) |
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What about using Hippie3's bleach tek for dunking, but, rather than water use diluted coffee and bleach at a 200:1 ratio?
Theoretically, this would alleviate any concerns about contams from the coffee. Anyone have an opinion on this?
My friend has some casings that may need some hydration, and he's thinking of using a solution along the lines of diluted coffee (50%) at 250:1 bleach ratio and syringing in some of this to his casings.
Any problems with this? And, moreover, one shouldn't patch with coffee grounds, as they are partially nutrative. Is this correct? Thanks!
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Re: The Coffee Project [Re: GnuBobo]
#2969437 - 08/05/04 05:56 PM (7 years, 9 months ago) |
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what do u mean by syringing in sum of that mix? i wouldnt case with coffee grounds. just verm and coir.
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Re: The Coffee Project [Re: 4hodmt]
#2970668 - 08/05/04 11:24 PM (7 years, 9 months ago) |
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Well, after my mycelium colonized the casing layer, I used a *bit* too much bleach for a spray--the ratio was below 1:200. Obviously, I should have used a lower concentration. But, I mean injecting the coffee/bleach mix into the casing, rather than spraying, as a way to moisturized the casing with a stimulating agent (coffee) and one that will keep things relatively clean (diluted bleach).
So, I've got 2 quarts of diluted coffee now. Will had some bleach, see what happens.
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Re: The Coffee Project [Re: GnuBobo]
#2972950 - 08/06/04 04:24 PM (7 years, 9 months ago) |
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so will there ever be an update?
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No. No there wont 
I'll be trying it soon but of course it will be about a month before I really have any results..I think everyone should try out there own experiments and see what they like. I think bleach=bad though so watch that stuff around your myc..you really shouldnt need the bleach.
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Re: The Coffee Project [Re: scatmanrav]
#2976073 - 08/07/04 04:00 PM (7 years, 9 months ago) |
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I just read all 18 pages and no one updated all these experiments going on. What happened to all the side by sides that were happening? Please update so people just finding this thread know what were the final results.
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Re: The Coffee Project [Re: scatmanrav]
#2976075 - 08/07/04 04:00 PM (7 years, 9 months ago) |
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The thread is still at mycotopia, it's just in the archives. http://www.mycotopia.net/discus/messages/5/96317.html Lots of info there.
My experience is that coffee dunks are not worth the extra risk of contamination. However, coffee is excellent for hydrating grains or cakes. Simply use coffee at 50% of drinking strength. I never use straight water to hydrate my rye grain anymore. Spent coffee grinds from your coffee pot make an excellent addition to your peat/verm mix when making casings. Use no more than 5% of the total casing material as coffee grinds. Coffee grinds also make an excellent addition to your compost mix. Use as much as you like when mixing bulk substrates.
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yeah, i sifted through all the shit too. where are the updates people? get off your asses and post your results, good, bad or indifferent. btw, i have read that using nitrogen is a good way to beat contams. i heard that bran is high in nitrogen... is that true? if so i am going to make some pf cakes w/ bran & caffeine
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Re: The Coffee Project [Re: mycopsycho]
#2976671 - 08/07/04 08:24 PM (7 years, 9 months ago) |
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I drank some coffee in high school and grew a good 10 inches in the years following that.
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Re: The Coffee Project [Re: 4hodmt]
#2977475 - 08/08/04 02:30 AM (7 years, 9 months ago) |
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I just made a 1 liter bottle similar to karo tek using less karo but then added some Mountain Dew and Coke to it for the caffeine boost . I used alot of peroxide to try and keep any contams from taking hold, and used live mycelium from a clean colonized cake to innoculate it (can't use spores with a peroxide mix, but myc are OK). We shall soon see what happens, I'm excited! Also left a bit of the cocktail in the jar I harvested mycellium from, so maybe it will go faster now compared to one of the others which was from the same batch and was not touched.
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Re: The Coffee Project [Re: Spudz76]
#2977543 - 08/08/04 04:39 AM (7 years, 9 months ago) |
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keep us updated!(start one with just mountain dew/coke and peroxide)
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Re: The Coffee Project [Re: mycopsycho]
#2977559 - 08/08/04 05:00 AM (7 years, 9 months ago) |
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Yeah, I was thinking I should do that, I do have another strain to do it with. And some B+ also which may have finally started in one out of 6 of the jars I set it up in - but I have to wait for that to colonize some more to be sure it's clean.
Or, hmm, should I do it with the same strain, to compare? I'd rather from a production standpoint do the bluemeanie-cubensis strain I have. Guess there's nothing wrong with multiples, but I used a 1L bottle for the first one so my others should be smaller bottles.
And the bottle mentioned above was Oaxacan, since it was the most speedy of the three I have at colonizing.
Oh and also I'm soaking some corn in a similar stew of peroxide, spring water, and cola to see what that might do for me. I'll innoculate it with whatever I get from these liquid cultures, should kick ass I suspect.
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Re: The Coffee Project [Re: Spudz76]
#2977565 - 08/08/04 05:09 AM (7 years, 9 months ago) |
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good luck spudz 
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Re: The Coffee Project [Re: mycopsycho]
#2977714 - 08/08/04 07:26 AM (7 years, 9 months ago) |
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The part I don't like is how very very acidic cola drinks are. Even coffee sticks at 5 (according to some post earlier), but I bet colas are in the 3 range.
I'm still not sure if RogerRabbit (discoverer) believes it's the caffine or the nutrients coffee has.
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Re: The Coffee Project [Re: Mycofriend]
#2977821 - 08/08/04 08:50 AM (7 years, 9 months ago) |
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we'll.... i'm leaning towards caffeine.
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Re: The Coffee Project [Re: Hippie3]
#2978290 - 08/08/04 12:01 PM (7 years, 9 months ago) |
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I read once that they use lotsa nasty chemicals to bleach out most of the caffeine in decaf coffee, so maybe decaf wouldn't be real good for mushrooms.
Also, everyone should be buying free trade coffee. Whether we drink it, grow stuff on it, or pour it down the drain, some poverty stricken farmer was underpaid and overworked for his beans, while those Maxwell Houses make made cash, so MR. Farmer has to clear more rain forest to scrape buy on his underappreciated crop.
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Re: The Coffee Project [Re: ToolTroll]
#2978999 - 08/08/04 05:00 PM (7 years, 9 months ago) |
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Wrong. They don't use bleach to make decaf coffee. There are 2 methods for making decaf. The Swiss Water Method, and the Euro Method.
In the Euro Method, the beans are first soaked in water, then washed in Methylene Chloride, which absorbs the caffeine. Then the beans are rinsed to remove the chemical, dried, packed, and shipped. In theory, there is no trace of the chemical left on the beans once they are finished and ready for consumption. Methylene chloride, also called dichloromethane, is a volatile, colorless liquid with a chloroform-like odor. Methylene chloride is used in various industrial processes in many different industries including paint stripping, pharmaceutical manufacturing, paint remover manufacturing, metal cleaning and degreasing, and so forth. Most decaf coffee is made using this method.
The Swiss Water Method basically rinses the beans with water. Then they use hot water and steam to extract practically everything from the beans. Then the water is passed through a charcoal filter to eliminate the caffeine. The same beans are then soaked in the solution, and they re-absorb everything again. Except the caffeine that was filtered out. Although this method doesn't use any toxic chemicals, it does strip out a lot of the flavor as well as a lot of the oils and other things that are in the coffee. If the theory that other nutrients in coffee is what makes mushrooms grow so well is true, then this type of coffee is not what you want, since both the caffeine and a lot of the nutes are taken out.
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And then there are another 2 methods:
Ethyl Acetate Decaffeination
Coffee decaffeinated using this process is frequently referred to as "Natural Decaffeinated" because Ethyl Acetate (CH3CO2C2H5) can occur naturally in orange rinds and others fruits. But because of the cost of using natural extract the Ethyl Acetate used in decaffeination. It is simply a human made chemical. There is some question as to whether it is legal in the United States to call Ethyl Acetate decaffeinated coffee "naturally decaffeinated," but currently that is a common practice.
The decaffeination process is essentially the same as in conventional Methylene Chloride de-caffeination, except Ethyl Acetate replaces Methylene Chloride as the solvent.
While no ozone issues have arisen in relation to this chemical, there are still chemical residues remaining in the coffee beans (10ppm max). And the taste of the decaffeinated coffee is also mediocre.
Ethylene Acetate is slightly more expensive than Methylene Chloride, which means it would never get used unless 1) Methylene Chloride was illegal, or 2) there was some marketing advantage. The ability to label the beans "naturally decaffeinated" is a powerful incentive.
Carbon Dioxide (CO2) Decaffeination
CO2 decaffeination is based on the simple principle of "like dissolves like". Pressurized CO2 is a dense fluid with a molecule that (like caffeine) is small and non-polar (non-polar molecules have no electrical charge). The flavor components in coffee are a combination of carbohydrates (starches and sugar) and peptides (proteins), both of which are large, polar molecules.
In the CO2 decaffeination process, water soaked coffee beans are placed in a stainless steel container or extractor. The extractor is then sealed and liquid CO2 is injected. The CO2 acts as the solvent to dissolve and draw the caffeine from the coffee beans, leaving the larger-molecule flavor components behind. The caffeine laden CO2 is then transferred to another container. Here the pressure is released and the CO2 returns to its gaseous state, leaving the caffeine behind. The caffeine free CO2 gas is pumped back into a pressurized container for reuse.
CO2 decaffeination produces the most flavorful decaffeinated coffee. There are no harmful chemicals or by-products of the process.
Unfortunately, the cost of building a CO2 decaffeination plant is quiet high, so this process is primarily used to decaffeinate large volumes of commercial grade coffee. Because of the growing market for a safe and flavorful decaffeinated product, CO2 decaffeinated specialty grade coffees are becoming more readily available. There is at least one relatively small container load (38,000lb) quantities.
Decaffeination dramatically changes the structure of the bean. Before roasting, decaffeinated beans are larger, darker, and considerably more brittle than ordinary green coffee beans. The decaffeination process cost money in two ways. First there is the decaffeination fee. Then there is the process shrinkage, which can be as much as five percent by weight.
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