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 Rohypnol
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 Re: The Coffee Project [Re: Hippie3]
#2311272 - 02/07/04 08:42 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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I don't see how it could make a difference. The amount of liquid the grain could absorb would be equal regardless of what concentration coffee/caffine you use. It would only make a difference if you were using different types of grain in one experiment. The results should still apply proportionally when you use different grain types.
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Re: The Coffee Project [Re: Rohypnol]
#2311309 - 02/07/04 09:24 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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unless a certain amount is required
and the grain you've chosen can't hold that threshold amount.
a grain of rye holds more water than say a grain of millet.
now, if it turns out that a grain of rye just barely can hold enough caffeine/coffee to trigger the effect,
then a jar of wbs would not get the desired results.
to truly scientifically test rodger's results
you have to DUPLICATE his experiment,
which would mean using rye as he did.
substituting different grain introduces a whole new set of variables to test, making the experiment more complex and harder to control.
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Re: The Coffee Project [Re: Hippie3]
#2311431 - 02/07/04 10:36 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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I think one substarte would be suffecient. I mean were not doing tests for nasa. Then we could get into optimal incubation temps for coffee soaked grains at XX concentration ect. We just need some results with one substrate at a time.
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Re: The Coffee Project [Re: Gr0wer]
#2312082 - 02/07/04 02:02 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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precisely,
and for the test to be valid,
that one grain would of necessity
be rye, as that's what rodger used.
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Re: The Coffee Project [Re: Hippie3]
#2313934 - 02/08/04 08:54 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Ever think of trying yerba mate? Seems like a more hospitable substrate than coffee...
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Re: The Coffee Project [Re: Hippie3]
#2313942 - 02/08/04 09:00 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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I personally have yet to find rye where I live and I don't want to buy it on the net right now. I believe that others may have the same problem or are just more accustomed to using wbs or corn. If this coffee experiment is to be valid across the board, then tests should be done with many substrates.
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Re: The Coffee Project [Re: Ekstaza]
#2314136 - 02/08/04 10:25 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Quote:
Ekstaza said:
I personally have yet to find rye where I live and I don't want to buy it on the net right now. I believe that others may have the same problem or are just more accustomed to using wbs or corn. If this coffee experiment is to be valid across the board, then tests should be done with many substrates.
i certainly agree that other substrates should be tested,
but my point is
that that's introducing a new variable.
the 1st step in the science process is to try to duplicate rodger's results.
only then can we determine if rodger's results were a fluke or if they can be duplicated.
that's just being strictly methodical.
once we actually know it works on rye just like it did for rodger, then that would be the time to test other grains.
but in the end it won't matter as this won't be real science, except in a loose definition.
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Quote:
HarveyWalbanger said:
Ever think of trying yerba mate? Seems like a more hospitable substrate than coffee...
don't know much about yerba,
what's the caffeine content, if any ?
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Re: The Coffee Project [Re: Hippie3]
#2314160 - 02/08/04 10:31 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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ever noticed how easy coffe molds. its coarse and i bet it could hold alot of moisture.i bet thats why it fruits so quickly.nice job guys always changing the way shrooms can be grown.you guys are true scientist:)
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umm, i think you misunderstood slightly.
we're not talking about fruiting coffee grounds.
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Re: The Coffee Project [Re: Hippie3]
#2315687 - 02/08/04 07:30 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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found this
"What's in Coffee Grounds? Starbucks commissioned a study in 1995 to better understand the make up of the organic matter we call coffee grounds. The following is the result of an analysis of our used coffee grounds performed by the University of Washington College of Forest Resources:
Primary Nutrients :
Nitrogen 1.45%
Phosphorus ND ug/g
Potassium 1204 ug/g
Secondary Nutrients :
Calcium 389 ug/g
Magnesium 448 ug/g
Sulfur high ug/g
Notes:
ND = indicates sample is below detection limit
ug/g = microgram / gram "
would the amounts of nutrients be the same in the coffee (the beverage) as in the coffeegrounds ?
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ragadinks
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Re: The Coffee Project [Re: jarhead]
#2316756 - 02/09/04 02:11 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Quote:
would the amounts of nutrients be the same in the coffee (the beverage) as in the coffeegrounds ?
I do not think so, it the nutrients are soluble most of them must have been washed out by the hot water.
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Re: The Coffee Project [Re: ragadinks]
#2316983 - 02/09/04 06:27 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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more just in, from rodger.
more coffee-soaked rye quarts.
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These jars are fruiting before full colonization of the rye. Never saw that before .They're 9 days old since g2g...Those jars were inoculated with an invitro pinning jar, which also speeds things up.
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Re: The Coffee Project [Re: Hippie3]
#2317299 - 02/09/04 09:09 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Glad to see everyone trying this. It's how we learn. This 'discovery' was made by accident. That is why there are no control jars. If one needs control jars, just use the ones stored in your memory as I did. I had never seen anything like this, and after repeating the tests several times, I posted the results so others could confirm them.
I returned from a weekend camping trip once to find a mold growing on the top of the coffee pot. I had long used coffee grinds as an additive to casing and compost, but the liquid coffee with mold growing so quickly set a few gears into motion.
"I've got to hydrate a few grains in that and see if it will speed colonizaton", I thought. I found not only colonization, but also pinning was greatly enhanced by the coffee.
The more folks who vary the tests and try things on their own, the more we'll learn. Everyone put ego aside, run a few tests and let us know what you find. This could be big.
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Thank You for all you have contributed Roger! I can't wait to confirm this new discovery for myself 
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Rohypnol
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Yeah this is great. For my next set of jars im going to do WBS/RGS soaked in coffee and with spawnmate, in vitro. I'm very excited to see the results.
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Re: The Coffee Project [Re: Rohypnol]
#2317525 - 02/09/04 10:22 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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I read this a couple of days ago and was only reminded of the mold I encountered recently in my stepdad's stagnant coffee pot. I thought it was pretty nasty but a myco-mind sees a mycelial catalyst. Hahah. Good job Roger, now we can all invitro without any problem.
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Re: The Coffee Project [Re: puzzlerok]
#2320640 - 02/10/04 05:40 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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popcorn invitro.
texan strain.
rodger's not 100% sure if coffee was used here,
stoner.
but it seems very likely,
as normal popcorn just doesn't do this.
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Re: The Coffee Project [Re: Hippie3]
#2320646 - 02/10/04 05:51 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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woow !
I have made three quarts with popcorn soaked in 50/50 coffee/water and inoculated 2 of them with Koh Samui and one with Reishi agar wedges three days ago. So far the Reishi is the fastest. Hope I will get the same results with the cubes as you in that picture 
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Re: The Coffee Project [Re: ragadinks]
#2321722 - 02/10/04 02:31 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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i thought caffeine stunted growth. not helped it
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