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Copelandia sclerotia formation.
    #2304334 - 02/05/04 12:16 PM (10 years, 9 months ago)

I had a harvestable amount of sclerotia form at the perimeter of a Tai-KS casing of millet:ryegrasseed:hoffmans 1-1-1: vermiculite. The sclerotia yield was two grams dried, and the fruit yield was 3 grams dry after two flushes, and then contaminants set in.

There were literally hundreds of tiny sclerotia all over the perimeter, but the majority were way to small to harvest. A couple reached the 1/4 inch + mark.

the sclerotia are softer then mexicana or tampanensis, but the large ones were firm enough to stay together until dried.

Very strong bluing. More then the tampanensis sclerotia.

This is the first sclerotia formation I have observed in the casing of any of the Copelandias. A few of the other strains produce them on agar, but not to a harvestable amount.

I think I may try and put the tai-ks on straight ryegrass seed and see if any will form invitro, ala mexicana/tampanensis.


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Re: Copelandia sclerotia formation. [Re: ]
    #2304445 - 02/05/04 12:45 PM (10 years, 9 months ago)

Was the casing from an isolate or multispore? If it was the latter, have you considered isolating the largest 'sclerotia'?

I remember reading a post concerning this a while ago with Copelandia and someone mentioned that they were not true sclerotia but a similar structure. Will have to go find that to refresh my memory..

This is very interesting, keep us posted.


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Re: Copelandia sclerotia formation. [Re: sci33]
    #2304742 - 02/05/04 02:04 PM (10 years, 9 months ago)

There sclerotia.

Sometimes the hawaiian strain will produce matted mycelium with the appearance of being sclerotia, but when you push on them they give.

These Tai-ks look, and feel exactly like a tampanensis sclerotia, they just aren't as dense. But they are true sclerotia, they hold there form, dehydrate and rehydrate.

People have mentioned finding them under the cow pie, when picking wild copes. this is just the first time I have gotten a harvestable amount.

It was a multispore. I did not get any from previous trays, that had the same size. There are always many tiny ones.


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Re: Copelandia sclerotia formation. [Re: ]
    #2305123 - 02/05/04 03:34 PM (10 years, 9 months ago)

I thought that I had a clear deffinition of Tai-KS as being Tai Koh Samui and that it was a cubensis strain. Copelandias are a panaeolus species or closely related. Have I missed something here?


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Re: Copelandia sclerotia formation. [Re: Ekstaza]
    #2305686 - 02/05/04 05:23 PM (10 years, 9 months ago)

There is a Copelandia cyanescens Tai-ks and there is a Psilocybe cubensis Tai-ks. I'm talking about the Copelandia(Panaeolus).


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Re: Copelandia sclerotia formation. [Re: ]
    #2305724 - 02/05/04 05:30 PM (10 years, 9 months ago)

Thanks for the clarification.


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Re: Copelandia sclerotia formation. [Re: ]
    #2307679 - 02/06/04 07:06 AM (10 years, 9 months ago)

Ive also seen Lipa Yai form Pseudosclerotia , and have seen P semilanceata form true sclerotia

I think the formation of Scelrotia amongs grassland species will turn out to be more common that is currently known - and as we see with Pans it may be certain regional variants that do it while others dont


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Re: Copelandia sclerotia formation. [Re: psiloz]
    #2308251 - 02/06/04 12:39 PM (10 years, 9 months ago)

I agree. I have an old jar of aztecorum that seems like it is starting to go that route as well.


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Re: Copelandia sclerotia formation. [Re: ]
    #2308679 - 02/06/04 03:09 PM (10 years, 9 months ago)

  :rolleyes: Did you ever get fruits from aztecorum ?


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Re: Copelandia sclerotia formation. [Re: ]
    #2308983 - 02/06/04 04:42 PM (10 years, 9 months ago)

Teonan, remember this thread?
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Re: Copelandia sclerotia formation. [Re: Anno]
    #2309463 - 02/06/04 07:24 PM (10 years, 9 months ago)

Great stuff
So have others had the same experience as me with Scelrotia forming from Psilocybe semilanceata?
It was from a print i received not long ago from Scotland.
I never cloned the sclerotia it but the culture and prints are prob somewhere
It certainly suprised me. Yields were good too
Never ate them though and they went bad cos i didnt dry them fast enough - so i threw them out in the yard- who knows i might get lucky in Winter :smile:


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Re: Copelandia sclerotia formation. [Re: Anno]
    #2309587 - 02/06/04 07:56 PM (10 years, 9 months ago)

nope. completely forgot about that one. That was definetly a tampanensis.

These sclerotia are real white compared to the mexicana and tampanensis. And they turn solid blue when handled. Large ones are like 1/4 inch wide at the widest part. the small ones are like BB's for a BB gun, and they are everywhere around the perimeter of the casing.


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Re: Copelandia sclerotia formation. [Re: Ashana]
    #2309624 - 02/06/04 08:08 PM (10 years, 9 months ago)

No I used six of seven jars to inoculate a mixed compost and they succombed to contamination. The one I have left is clean, but I have been to lazy to use it to generate more spawn, it is this remaining jar that looks to be forming sclerotia, possibly.

I probably will just use it to make fresh jars and try and fruit from ryegrass seed.

Wish me luck!!!

I had no luck finding a substrate the caerulescens would even colonize. Sorry Club99 if your are still around. They just grew for a while and stalled on every grain i tried. I need to go back to the print for a new isolate.


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Re: Copelandia sclerotia formation. [Re: ]
    #2310633 - 02/07/04 03:12 AM (10 years, 9 months ago)

How long does it take until the aztecorum mycel forms sclerotia?


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Re: Copelandia sclerotia formation. [Re: Ashana]
    #2312642 - 02/07/04 08:55 PM (10 years, 9 months ago)

Well I am not positive they are sclerotia yet, the jar is from 10/4/03.


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