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 Re: The Coffee Project [Re: fee]
#2299780 - 02/04/04 06:02 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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fee said:
you dont need a ph balencer when you soak in coffee juice? or do you? did rodger?
rodger didn't ph correct the grain in the jar,
but since the coffee was soaked into the grain
i don't think the ph was too far altered.
he did however use hydrated lime to ph correct his coffee ground containing casings.
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adoseofparn0z said:
Why the hell hasn't anyone thought of trying decaf coffee?
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Someone. Do it. Now.
that's a pretty good idea,
but as i understand it
even decaf still has some caffeine
so it wouldn't really prove much.
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I was just clarifying someone elses comment, I have no idea about pH properties of coffee.
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Re: The Coffee Project [Re: Hippie3]
#2302091 - 02/04/04 05:16 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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I just started my soak of 100% coffee of WBS. Hippie3 do you think this will be to strong or what? I am gonna find out anyway and I will give the results.
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Re: The Coffee Project [Re: fee]
#2302277 - 02/04/04 06:05 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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what would be the problem if it was too strong?
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Re: The Coffee Project [Re: sensi]
#2302316 - 02/04/04 06:14 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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PH maybe
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Re: The Coffee Project [Re: fee]
#2302779 - 02/04/04 08:32 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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What is the pH of coffee?
"soak of 100% coffee of WBS"
Did you soak the WBS in the brew? and did you just use standard coffee strength, as in you soaked the grain in a morning's cup of joe?
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What is the pH of coffee?
It's about 5.
See here.
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Re: The Coffee Project [Re: fee]
#2303869 - 02/05/04 05:06 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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fee said:
I just started my soak of 100% coffee of WBS. Hippie3 do you think this will be to strong or what? I am gonna find out anyway and I will give the results.
i'm pretty damn sure that
100% coffee is too strong.
but i guess you'll find out.
good luck!
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Re: The Coffee Project [Re: Hippie3]
#2303897 - 02/05/04 05:35 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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why do you think is this because of the ph thing? or just to much too much coffee? Thanks hippie3 for all you info I really enjoy your insite
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Re: The Coffee Project [Re: fee]
#2303905 - 02/05/04 05:43 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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why
is always a hard question to answer.
the simple explanation is that
rodger tried different strengths
and has determined that a 50% dilution
works best.
now this might be because of ph,
it does seem problematic.
or it could be other [unknown] factors.
also,
what might be true for coffee,
might not hold true for pure caffeine
[assuming that caffeine is indeed the active ingredient].
surely as in most things
there is a point of diminishing returns.
that is,
more isn't always better.
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Re: The Coffee Project [Re: Hippie3]
#2303910 - 02/05/04 05:52 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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true do you think I have a chance with these bags or should i toss them and start over?
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Re: The Coffee Project [Re: fee]
#2304017 - 02/05/04 07:29 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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if you've already inoculated,
might as well see what happens.
otherwise, i'd try it rodger's way 1st.
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Re: The Coffee Project [Re: ragadinks]
#2304067 - 02/05/04 07:56 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Is it the same for coffee brew?
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I think all the information posted above and rodger's experiences are great, but this is not good enough for me. I am gathering the supplies now to run a controlled experiment.
One group of jars will be the control with straight WBS, another group will have been soaked in coffee, another group soaked in tea, and another group with pure caffeine pills grinded into the mix. Also I plan on testing caffeine on sclerotia production once I get a sclerotia producing strain. Not to say that the above experiences are bad, but a control is always needed in a proper experiment. I will be using an isolate of cubensis for the experiments, multispore is too inconsistent for a controlled experiment. Lastly, if anyone is interested in Bee Pollen as a growth enhancer check the grow log forum for a post I'm updating..
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Re: The Coffee Project [Re: sci33]
#2305591 - 02/05/04 01:59 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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your experimental plan sounds solid.
of course,
large batch sizes would also go a long way towards giving credibility, 10 or 20 jars of each type.
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Re: The Coffee Project [Re: Hippie3]
#2306190 - 02/05/04 04:43 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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I think this is what needs to be done to get some definitive results:
1. Grain soaked in 100% coffee
2. Grain soaked in 75% coffee
3. Grain soaked in 50% coffee
4. Grain soaked in 25% coffee
5. Grain soaked in caffine equivilent to 100% coffee
6. Grain soaked in caffine equivilent to 75% coffee
7. Grain soaked in caffine equivilent to 50% coffee
8. Grain soaked in caffine equivilent to 25% coffee
9. Grain soaked in 100% decaf
10. Grain soaked in 75% decaf
11. Grain soaked in 50% decaf
12. Grain soaked in 25% decaf
After results are viewed, run the following:
1. Grain soaked in 100% coffee pH balanced to the pH of the most sucessful coffee dilution
2. Grain soaked in 100% decaf pH balanced to the pH of the most sucessful decaf dilution
3. Grain soaked in 100% caffine pH balanced to the pH of the most sucessful caffine dilution
Edited by Rohypnol (02/05/04 06:08 PM)
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Re: The Coffee Project [Re: Rohypnol]
#2306319 - 02/05/04 05:29 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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Rohypnol said:
5. Grain soaked in caffine equivilent to 100% coffee
6. Grain soaked in caffine equivilent to 75% coffee
7. Grain soaked in caffine equivilent to 50% coffee
8. Grain soaked in caffine equivilent to 25% coffee
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Re: The Coffee Project [Re: sci33]
#2309747 - 02/06/04 05:42 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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thats a good idea with the decaf. I was thinking, it might be some of the acids in the coffe that makes the growth faster. Not the caffine.
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Re: The Coffee Project [Re: Rohypnol]
#2311051 - 02/07/04 04:54 AM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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the type of grain may also be relevant.
for example,
popcorn absorbs more liquid than wbs.
could make a significant difference
in the results.
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