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 Re: The Coffee Project [Re: Hippie3]
#2331463 - 02/13/04 02:10 PM (8 years, 3 days ago) |
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When you did the coffee experiment, you should have had 1 or 2 jars without the coffee, to compare.
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Re: The Coffee Project [Re: Hippie3]
#2331861 - 02/13/04 04:49 PM (8 years, 3 days ago) |
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Has anyone posted results of coffee soaked WBS? If so, I missed it, my apologies.
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not yet, still too soon for results.
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ExtravagantDream said:
a note on the coffee brew soak.
I like to rinse mine well afterwards, so the question is, does the coffee actually absorb through the grain shell or does it sort of just stick to the sides?
rodger sez not to rinse.
but i would think some
coffee does get inside the kernel,
since water does.
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Re: The Coffee Project [Re: Hippie3]
#2332301 - 02/13/04 07:35 PM (8 years, 3 days ago) |
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I just made 16 half pints of verm/brf. I put 10% coffee in the water. I dont know if this will work or not. We will know soon. I have about 6-8 half pints left over. I will do some verm/brf with out the coffee for a comparison.
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Re: The Coffee Project [Re: Hippie3]
#2333142 - 02/13/04 10:59 PM (8 years, 2 days ago) |
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So perhaps just a preliminary rinse or a normal soak, rinse and then a short soak with coffee. It seems like it's the coffee residue on the grain shell that is making the difference but I could be wrong. I still have yet to conclude how well mycelium gets inside whole grain kernals anyway.
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I've got some parakeet mix seed that is mostly white millet That I soaked in a 50% coffee solution. I'm afraid that I didn't get the water content right but I guess time will tell. I just knocked the jars up yesterday so I won't check on them for a few days yet. I'll post results when I do.
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Re: The Coffee Project [Re: Hippie3]
#2333736 - 02/14/04 07:06 AM (8 years, 2 days ago) |
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It's not the coffee on the surface, but what soaks in. Put your rye into a large pot. Fill with water and rinse very well. Drain and rinse again. Do this until the water pours off clean. Fill the pot with dilute coffee and let sit for 24 hours or longer. Boil five minutes, then drain into collandars. Drain and shake the collandar so the water runs out the bottom, and the steam rises off the surface. This way, after 20 minutes or so, the kernals are nearly dry on the outside, but nice and fat/wet inside. Load into jars and pc. I've found coffee has lots of heat resistant endospores, so if using quart jars, up the pc time to 2 hours or more. Don't worry about overcooking your grain. I use 2 hours, 20 minutes. If you don't pc long enough with coffee, you're bound to get stinky jars.
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i tried asking this in the redular grow forum, but i don't think people were on the same page...if i mad pf jars with the coffee technique, the pinning looks incredible...far more pins invitro than i have gotten with either of my other ops OUTSIDE the jars.
so my question is this: when i get beaucoup pins, shoul di go ahead birth those puppies, and let allllll those suckers mature?
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Posted on Saturday, February 14, 2004 - 04:33 pm:
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15 days post coffee dunk, looks kinda impressive but I always scrape the verm off the shrooms after picking and I would have preffered fewer but bigger shrooms.
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Re: The Coffee Project [Re: Hippie3]
#2335723 - 02/14/04 08:39 PM (8 years, 2 days ago) |
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whats the word with determining if its just the caffeine or another chem?
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Re: The Coffee Project [Re: amyloid]
#2335852 - 02/14/04 10:23 PM (8 years, 2 days ago) |
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Hippie, is that a control with a normal water dunk on the left?
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Re: The Coffee Project [Re: Gr0wer]
#2336588 - 02/15/04 04:08 AM (8 years, 1 day ago) |
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correct,
normal left,
coffee dunk right.
not really a 'control',
just a comparison.
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Re: The Coffee Project [Re: amyloid]
#2336589 - 02/15/04 04:09 AM (8 years, 1 day ago) |
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whats the word with determining if its just the caffeine or another chem?
insufficient data
still to be determined
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Re: The Coffee Project [Re: Loki]
#2336593 - 02/15/04 04:15 AM (8 years, 1 day ago) |
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Quote:
Loki said:
50% ? as in 50% of the liquid used, ie say making up
500ml, you used 250ml of prediluted coffee?
50% seems high.
not quite,
the coffee itself was diluted with additional water until it was only 50% as concentrated as a normal brew.
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Re: The Coffee Project [Re: Hippie3]
#2336663 - 02/15/04 06:42 AM (8 years, 1 day ago) |
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Quote:
Hippie3 said:
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Posted on Saturday, February 14, 2004 - 04:33 pm:
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15 days post coffee dunk, looks kinda impressive but I always scrape the verm off the shrooms after picking and I would have preffered fewer but bigger shrooms.
ok, for those of you that haven't clicked the link to read our parallel thread on coffee over at 'topia,
here's the other end of this experiment as it went down.
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OK, I will try a coffee dunk. This particular cake was innoculated 12/5 and was fully colonized at about 1/4, it was given a dunk and up till now has only produced one tiny pin, unlike it's brother cakes who have given me some asorted flushes. I'm partly to blame cause I over stuffed the pint jars with too much substrate and had the jars trying to fruit at a temp of 78-79 deg.
Hope instant is ok. Plastic container on right filled 3/4 with water and nuked. Half a tbl spoon of coffee added. Then container closed up and set in freezer. I'll give time to cool then do a dunk, 24 hrs at room temp. I'll be dunking with pin on.
dunk underway
i'd say that's a pretty impressive flush he got,
esp. considering the rather sad history of that particular cake, which was why he was willing to risk it.
proved well worth the risk, eh ?
note also that his dunk was considerably stronger
than the 50% strength rodger recommends.
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Re: The Coffee Project [Re: Hippie3]
#2337045 - 02/15/04 10:19 AM (8 years, 1 day ago) |
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Hippie that cake on the left is much smaller, while the one on the right is afull 1 pint jar. I think this is an unfair test but its still clear that coffe is better.
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Re: The Coffee Project [Re: Gr0wer]
#2337696 - 02/15/04 01:27 PM (8 years, 1 day ago) |
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you are, of course, correct.
the cake on the left is half-pint,
the right is full pint.
it's just a rough comparison,
not a direct 'control' as such.
unfortunately
he only dunked the one,
otherwise we'd have more to compare.
still, we see enough to draw a few conclusions.
the coffee dunk obviously did no harm,
and that's a mighty nice flush
by anyone's standards.
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Re: The Coffee Project [Re: Jared]
#2340326 - 02/16/04 06:36 AM (8 years, 16 hours ago) |
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Jared said:
I'm thinking of using straight coffee to moisten some vermiculite for use in a rez-effect casing.. I don't trust adding anything with nuts to the casing layer, and have no lime to buffer the ph, so I think this is a safe way to see how coffee affects my pinsets. I'm going to be doing two casings:
Control:
- Multispore GT
- 4 pints of substrate
- 1cm 50/50 casing
- 12"x10" cropping surface
- 25% addition of hydrated verm to substrate
Experiment:
- Multispore GT
- 4 pints of substrate
- 1cm 50/50 casing
- 12"x10" cropping surface
- 25% addition of coffee hydrated verm to substrate
If there is anything about this you think I should change, speak up.
When I did the two casings, I first combined all of the substrate in one container, and crumbled it into rice sized peices, and mixed thoroughly to try and minimize the inconsistencies caused by multispore inoc.
Feb 15th: the coffee casing is saturated with pins, with roughly twice as many as the regular casing. They are about a day ahead of the non-coffee pins. So far, coffee is lookin very nice  I'm just waiting to see if the abort rate is high =X.. if not, im casing with coffeesized verm all the time.
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Re: The Coffee Project [Re: Jared]
#2340608 - 02/16/04 09:34 AM (8 years, 13 hours ago) |
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If this has already been asked then i apologize, but if one were just using regular pf jars w/ brf, what would be best when casing? using straight ground up coffee, or a mix of verm and coffee. What kind of coffee is best? Also, any word on whether or not those caffeine pills would work? Thanks
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