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First time growing.
    #22493861 - 11/08/15 01:16 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Well this is the first time attempting to cultivate mushrooms. I have done a lot of investigative research and read many different methods and guides, with that being said I decided to order some spores from an online retailer and also assembled an incubator/fruiting chamber. Which brings me to my first question. I ordered two spore syringes and inoculated 7 jars with them the syringes were full, I may or may maynot have Injected too much into the jars typically how many half pint jars does a syringe usually do. And the second question involves the incubation chamber. The jars have been inside the incubated for two days. As to I am not overly concerned about the growth at this time. When I first put them in there the temperature was at about 76f an hour later I went down and it was in the 90's and I quickly corrected this and brought it back down to 79f so with all that being said. By chance have I killed any opportunities on any mycelium growth happening?

Brf- 3 jars b+ And 4 jars golden teacher
The incubating chamber I created uses a fish tank water heater on a plate and cups in all four corners of the water dish. To prevent any melting or burning Happening. And incubating/fruiting chamber above, I installed the air pump and made sure the hose pumps air to the bottom of the fruiting chamber and have been thinking of running it while incubating twice a day just so I do t have to go down there constantly. If all goes well I will post pictures :) thank you in advance for any answers or information.

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Re: First time growing. [Re: DiamondMouse]
    #22493898 - 11/08/15 01:23 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

1cc per jar is good and its ok to use less or little bit more.

Forget about the incubation chamber put the jars in a rack or a in a place where they can receive 12/12 hrs light and darkness.

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Re: First time growing. [Re: DiamondMouse]
    #22493900 - 11/08/15 01:23 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Where's noc when you need him...


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Re: First time growing. [Re: DiamondMouse]
    #22493908 - 11/08/15 01:25 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

1 10cc syringe is enough for 10 pf style jars. Incubators are not needed and actually do more harm than good, a normal room temp is fine. The warmer the jars get the more encouraged mold growth gets. The 90° spike didn't ruin anything but I would ditch the incubator as long as your room temp is around 70° and if your environment is cold and you have to incubate then don't go over 75° keep it around 70-72°

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Re: First time growing. [Re: PinPornProducer]
    #22493990 - 11/08/15 01:42 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Awesome thanks for the quick response. I live in Canada and we are coming to the winter months, not looking forward to the deep freeze, I have a light I can put on a timer. As much as I'd like to ditch the incubator I'm kind of skeltical about the outside environment, I'll just dial the heater right down maybe pull the chamber out of the water and put that light on 4 hour incriments 3 times a day.

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Re: First time growing. [Re: PinPornProducer]
    #22494034 - 11/08/15 01:53 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I wouldn't build an incubator, but if he already has one...  He sounds european, so it may be cold as fuck, and they pay like 8,000,000 euros for a drop of oil.  No need to pump air into the incubator or be concerned about it getting light.  No light is fine, so is light.  It really doesn't seem to do much of anything as far as colonization is concerned.  If your ambient temps are like 18 to 25C you're good.

Those automated fruiting chambers tend to be a disaster.  It's not that autmation is impossible, it's that it's very hard to balance and you have poor control.  Everyone here (except me) recommends shotgun fruiting chambers, and they work if you know how to propperly use them.


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Re: First time growing. [Re: Machiavelliavore]
    #22494189 - 11/08/15 03:20 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

With cakes you need some patience and not much else, they should all colonize slowly and then you can just pop em out of the jars and throw em in a SGFC(easy to make, other options are available but tried and true sgfc is simple and tested) or you can crumble them up(keep the b+ and gt's seperate) and spawn them to a pastuerized bulk substrate(straw/coir/poo/etc)(if you go this route you will have another colonization/waiting period)

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Re: First time growing. [Re: The Dom]
    #22494535 - 11/08/15 07:30 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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LocN9ne said:
Where's noc when you need him...



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no need, unless you live in the arctic



I live pretty damn close to the Arctic (it isn't uncommon to see -40), my house is heated with a wood burning stove, and I still think incubators suck. I'd rather use a space heater or something. But a stove is the shit haha.

All the Canadians here use their furnaces and a small space heater if needed (tho rarely)



Best to heat the room to avoid problems, room temp is fine, unless you're sitting around your house dressed like Kenny from South Park.


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Re: First time growing. [Re: NDStepp84]
    #22494668 - 11/08/15 08:24 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Best to heat the room to avoid problems, room temp is fine, unless you're sitting around your house dressed like Kenny from South Park.



:whathesaid:  :lol:

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Re: First time growing. [Re: PinPornProducer]
    #22509128 - 11/11/15 12:21 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Well there she be got a few more that look just like this
Day5


I just turned down the incubater left the lid off of it.

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Re: First time growing. [Re: DiamondMouse]
    #22509217 - 11/11/15 12:42 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

You can take the tin foil off.

Looks good.

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Re: First time growing. [Re: DrCrumbs]
    #22510484 - 11/11/15 05:40 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

yep remove the foil


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Re: First time growing. [Re: cronicr]
    #22510536 - 11/11/15 05:51 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

In my logged experience I have incubated jars during colonization time at 80-81 degrees with great success and speedy colonization, I am willing to believe it is a security blanket it is something I like to do.


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Re: First time growing. [Re: DiamondMouse]
    #22510546 - 11/11/15 05:54 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Well there she be got a few more that look just like this
Day5


I just turned down the incubater left the lid off of it.



Hell yeah... You'll be trippin balls in no time...:vibin:


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Re: First time growing. [Re: cronicr]
    #22510582 - 11/11/15 05:59 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Alright dudes. Looks like I have one jar with some
Contamination in it



I removed it from the rest, none of the other more advanced jars are showing this I'm hoping it's just this one, any thoughts on this dirty little red.

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Re: First time growing. [Re: LocN9ne]
    #22510659 - 11/11/15 06:18 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Well there she be got a few more that look just like this
Day5


I just turned down the incubater left the lid off of it.



Hell yeah... You'll be trippin balls in no time...:vibin:




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Re: First time growing. [Re: DiamondMouse]
    #22510699 - 11/11/15 06:26 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Alright dudes. Looks like I have one jar with some
Contamination in it



I removed it from the rest, none of the other more advanced jars are showing this I'm hoping it's just this one, any thoughts on this dirty little red.



Trash it...


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Re: First time growing. [Re: LocN9ne]
    #22510935 - 11/11/15 07:13 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Alright dudes. Looks like I have one jar with some
Contamination in it



I removed it from the rest, none of the other more advanced jars are showing this I'm hoping it's just this one, any thoughts on this dirty little red.



Trash it...



Yeah, those red spots in the center of the jar look very concerning..

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Re: First time growing. [Re: Psilosoulful]
    #22512114 - 11/11/15 11:48 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

So I guess this brings me to my next idea, I have read in a post that heating your fruiting chamber is unessesary and just create condensation, at the same time I'm thinking that by turning this setup



Into a monotube with atleast four inches of perlite on the bottom and using the incubator to maintain a constant temperature that isn't too high, keeping fans blowing away from the FC and probably running the air pump once or twice a day for good measures may possibly work. If anyone has any thoughts or ideas on this idea of if they have tried it and it's garbage I'd surely like to hear about it. I've read up on shotgun fruiting chambers and monotubes both and I am leaning more towards the monotube just because of the simplicity of it and less upkeep compared to a SGFC so thoughts ideas opinions. All welcome. This is just an idea for now I am willing to try anything.
Currently the fresh air exchange is horrible. Thankfully I have a few weeks before I will need a fruiting chamber which gives me some obvious time to figure something out

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Re: First time growing. [Re: DiamondMouse]
    #22512131 - 11/11/15 11:57 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

If you're working with cakes you'll want a sgfc. Mono tubs don't use perlite from what I've seen.
Also if you're using a sgfc you won't want it inside a second tub like that, as no fresh air exchange will be able to make it through the bottom holes.

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Re: First time growing. [Re: DiamondMouse]
    #22512136 - 11/11/15 11:59 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Since you're doing BRF cakes just build a SGFC, if you really want to, build both, and put most of your cakes in the sgfc, then see how long it takes you to put the rest of the cakes in the sgfc.
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Re: First time growing. [Re: MrSturgill]
    #22512215 - 11/12/15 12:26 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Re: First time growing. [Re: DiamondMouse]
    #22512242 - 11/12/15 12:41 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

:whathesaid:

SGFC'S are a bitch to make and are a bit messy if your perlite very fine but its awesome for FAE. I'd say the best tub to fruit cakes in. Fuck using hydrators for cakes.

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Re: First time growing. [Re: Supalemonhaze]
    #22539614 - 11/17/15 10:07 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Well here are some updated photos






This last photo is a jar that was inoculated with golden teacher that also started showing signs of the red contamination, I held the very small spot of red upto a light for a split second and a few days later it seems like the mycelium has beaten it, although I plan on fruiting it seperatly from the rest and splitting the b+ and gt strains up in hopes to do a few spore prints for future grain and bulk adventures.

The contaminated spot was right in the middle of this photo maybe a bit lower to the left.

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Re: First time growing. [Re: Supalemonhaze] * 1
    #22539866 - 11/17/15 11:27 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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SGFC'S are a bitch to make and are a bit messy if your perlite very fine but its awesome for FAE. I'd say the best tub to fruit cakes in. Fuck using hydrators for cakes.



I wouldn't say they're a bitch to make... drilling all those damn holes definitely sucks though, and I dare you not to crack a few spots lol. I didn't have any problems with mess other than in my sink, and I used pretty fine perlite. As long as you rinse it well you should be fine.

Looking good btw! I don't see any kind of contam, but I would make sure you know which jar it is and keep an eye on it, if it is contaminated it's just a matter of time before it shows. I might be wrong but I don't think contaminates really go away. If it's contaminated it's contaminated and it will continue to get worse. Those look fine to me though.


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    #22540151 - 11/18/15 01:42 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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SGFC'S are a bitch to make and are a bit messy if your perlite very fine but its awesome for FAE. I'd say the best tub to fruit cakes in. Fuck using hydrators for cakes.



I wouldn't say they're a bitch to make... drilling all those damn holes definitely sucks though, and I dare you not to crack a few spots lol. I didn't have any problems with mess other than in my sink, and I used pretty fine perlite. As long as you rinse it well you should be fine.

Looking good btw! I don't see any kind of contam, but I would make sure you know which jar it is and keep an eye on it, if it is contaminated it's just a matter of time before it shows. I might be wrong but I don't think contaminates really go away. If it's contaminated it's contaminated and it will continue to get worse. Those look fine to me though.





Yeah thats why I said they are a bitch to make. Started with the lid. No problem. Then moved to the bottom and CRACKK. Fuck.shit.goddam. tried again. CRACCKKK. :zomgwtf:

After that I said fuck it and did the rest with a thin solder. I do my monotubs with a solder too. Beats patching up cracks with superglue lmao.

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Re: First time growing. [Re: Supalemonhaze]
    #22543761 - 11/18/15 08:02 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Yea I bought two smaller clear containers. I was thinking of using a dremel. Although I'm going to need Togo but buy a dremel as well, seems like a decent tool to have around. I also have a fairly large portable ac/heater in thinking of hooking up when fruiting starts simply because it's not going to be warm enough. I'm hoping it won't make the environment too dry though even with all the perlite in the sgfc.

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Re: First time growing. [Re: DiamondMouse]
    #22544315 - 11/18/15 10:00 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

You really don't want much airflow with a sgfc... maybe use one of those oil heaters? what temp is that room going to be? as long as it's around room temp it will be fine. I know my room dips down into the upper 60s sometimes, but most of the time is around 70-73.


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Re: First time growing. [Re: MrSturgill]
    #22545141 - 11/19/15 03:00 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Well that's good to know I should be able to manage then, I was thinking I needed it up in the 80's. This is really a lot easier than its made out to be in a lot of the growing guides lol

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Re: First time growing. [Re: DiamondMouse]
    #22592424 - 11/29/15 09:17 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Alright so it's been a few weeks since I last posted, well here we are my jars are all almost 100% colonized. I'm at the point where I leave them for the extra 4-7 days before I dunk: although one of my golden teachers that had showed signs of some red contamination but soon after the mycelium took over and since then no other signs have shown l. Although it has fully colonized it has also decided to shoot out a pin inside the jar and has jumped ahead of the rest of the jars colonizing just by a small percent. I'm curious how vital it is that this jar be dunked sooner then later if it's starting to pin and has been sitting in the dark for the last 4 days of neglect


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Re: First time growing. [Re: DiamondMouse]
    #22592434 - 11/29/15 09:20 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

If a jar that showed a red contamination is pinning inside the jar it is likely because of the contamination. I urge you to not birth that jar with he rest of your cakes or you will regret it...the mycelium wants to make sure it's existence goes on...if it is going to lose to a contamination it can spit out a fruit or two or more and drop spores so that it doesn't go extinct....it might be another story if the jar never showed a sign of being off and you had in vitro pins on fully colonized cakes but if you know the jar had red foreign objects or growth and now it is pinning in vitro it is almost certainly not worth using.


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Re: First time growing. [Re: DiamondMouse]
    #22595869 - 11/30/15 06:27 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Well after some thought I've decided I'm going to go with a coir verm mixture for the b+ and crumble up the cakes. I only have 3 half pint jars of b+ so I guess we shall see how that all works out, I made 2 smaller SGFC I've decided to use those to seperate the golden teachers up.

I have read just putting the cake in a bag and crumbling it works also have read using a cheese grater. Any ideas or suggestions on the matter? Should I dunk the cake before I crumble it? Or just crumble and mix into the damiens50/50 tek and wait for more colonization.

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Re: First time growing. [Re: DiamondMouse]
    #22595879 - 11/30/15 06:30 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Don't bother dunking them, i love the graters myself but abg makes quick work of then and also kicks ass


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Re: First time growing. [Re: DiamondMouse]
    #22596028 - 11/30/15 07:12 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

You only need about .5 ml for one jar. Old videos I watched when I was doing pf tek said I only needed .25 ml but the syringe is hard to control for me. Basically it doesn't matter put between .5-1 ml.

Someone on this forum recently told me you don't need a  incubator as long as your house is above 68f. It promotes bacteria and mold aperantly. I'm sure you'll jars will be fine. I forgot one out in the garage one summer (high 90s) for a few days and it grew mushrooms.


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    #22599374 - 12/01/15 02:09 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

The suggestions for temps are 76 for fruiting and 86 for colonisation +/- 1 degree. nowadays 86 degrees is not recommended though as people who tried to replicate this experiment found that growth either slowed down or stayed the same in the mid 80's. Not to mention the added risk of contams.

For fruiting you do not want an ambirnt temp of 76 because a colonising monotub is said to be aboit 5 degrees warmer than the room. 60's is good enough.

Repeating what Mycologist217 said, I would definitely not birth the contaminated jar. As he said pinning is a means to survival in the wild when the mycelium is threathened. I wouldn't even open the jar before I PCed it again avoiding the risk of possibly filling your home/lab with mold spores.

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    #22599423 - 12/01/15 02:25 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Temperatures inside colonizing jars are roughly 5F warmer than external temps so jars that are colonizing in a 78F room are ~83F inside which is why external temps of 86 are not good. I regularly colonize jars (grain and BRF cakes) at 80F and usually have decent colonization times.


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    #22599550 - 12/01/15 02:56 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

From what I have read and experienced even that is not needed.

I, like you was adamant about using an incubator. I stupidly bought it for quite a lot of money when I first started out and everyone was saying don't use it, don't use it.

I was thinking hell im not going to just put it on a shelf after spending the amount I bought it for. So I kept using it and since its quite small I had to leave some jars in a wardrobe instead of in the incubator. The end result was that both groups of jars colonised around the same time but 3njars that were I  the incubator developed bacteria and stalled. I haven't used it since. If the ambient remp is in the 60's while colonising jars I just use a small 15watt(I think) yellow bulb to heat the glass jars just a little bit, but I think even that is not really necessary since my country doesn't even get cold enough for snow and ice.

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    #22603123 - 12/02/15 08:19 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Well I decided to bust up the B+ last night and do a spawn to bulk, Im probably looking at a long wait considering my tub is much bigger and i used a full brick of coir and 2 quarts of vermiculite for the sub. I popped them out of the jars and oh the smell of mushroom filled my nasals and i came. Anyway I put down a good 3 inches of sub then dumped what little spawn i had ontop of it. spread it out fairly even, no i didn't mix it in, and i put another half inch of coir verm onto of it. put the lid on and I'm letting it sit, should be interesting to see how long it takes to actually start to go into fruiting. I popped those golden teachers out out on my porch, they smelled pretty decent too i ended up dunking them, They were well past colonization. I'm thinking maybe i was over reacting on the in vitro pinning, the B+ were completely finished colonizing in the jars, I'm assuming the Golden teachers were too. I didn't see any weird molds in any of the jars, or any weird smells, just the smell of mush. thx everyone for the help and insight :smile:

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    #22603312 - 12/02/15 09:24 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Temperatures inside colonizing jars are roughly 5F warmer than external temps so jars that are colonizing in a 78F room are ~83F inside which is why external temps of 86 are not good. I regularly colonize jars (grain and BRF cakes) at 80F and usually have decent colonization times.




I'd bring that shit down to 75 at least. Seriously. 75 is the best for EVERY aspect. Time to bust out some RR quotes.
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I've been saying that for years.  My petri dish studies a few years ago showed that cubensis reaches peak linear growth between 75F and 80F, then is flat until 83F, where it starts to slow down.  Mycelium at 86F is growing at about 2/3 the speed of mycelium at 80F.  In addition, the higher temps tend to stimulate thermophic molds and bacteria.

There's LOT'S of good information in TMC, but that 86F figure is one of the errors.
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It was all posted on the other board.  I don't know if the threads are still there or not.  Bottom line was the tubs that had petri dishes between 75F and 81F showed no difference in growth.  Below 75F, and above 81F growth slowed down, with a rapid drop in colonization speed below 70F and above 83F.  At 86F, a petri dish would be 2/3 colonized, while its sister at 75F would be fully colonized.  Rate of growth at 86F was exactly the same as rate of growth at 72F, with fastest growth as said, occurring between 75F and 81F.

Note that these tests were for linear growth in the two dimensional plane of a petri dish.  In three dimensonal space such as in grain jars or bulk substrates, the effects of thermogenesis need to be considered, so ambient temps should be lowered slightly to compensate.
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Under your logic of 5F warmer in a jar the best colonisation temps are 70-76.





@OP I'm so confused. You didn't mix the spawn in? You poured it on top of 3 inches of substrate and added a half inch of cvg on top? Damn.. Definitely need to mix it in..


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    #22603432 - 12/02/15 10:09 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Yah i know i was kicking myself in the ass after i put the top layer of coir verm on :frown: I may go peel some back and mix it in a little  by little :o

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    #22603532 - 12/02/15 10:47 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

all of those roger rabbit quotes are referring to external temps. He explains it pretty much word for word like I said in the PF TEK section of the Lets Grow Mushroom DVDs....but honestly I kept my current tubs at 78F while colonizing the birdseed.


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    #22603550 - 12/02/15 10:53 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

OK but what I'm saying is agar dishes in a 2 dimensional plane don't have thermogenesis. So inside and outside temps are the same. Jars will have thermogenesis. That means those figures are too high for substrates with mass. 78 is borderline too high. Especially for big ass substrates like monotubs.

I haven't noticed any differences in big substrates in temps of 65-75. And contams won't thrive nearly as well. It just makes sense to keep that shit cooler for both contams and optimal growth rate.

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    #22603849 - 12/02/15 12:15 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

yeah I am hoping i didn't hurt it it was sitting in there for a good 12 hours, i peeled off the top layer best i could stuck my hand in there flipped it a few times, put in back over, peeled off the other side of the tub flipped it a few times put the layer back over ;I and put the lid back on, my basements pretty chill though around 66-67 i was thinking of moving it elsewhere, i can't seem to get enough heat pumpin down there unless i stick the mono into that incubator which id really rather not do it wouldn't hurt it considering i haven't trimmed the bag down at all yet and its pretty much an air tight environment as it sits right now. May move it upstairs to our bedroom see how that goes, as for my SGFC i got my two golden teachers in one of them that i made, The humidity is staying in the 90's since last night it dipped down to mid 80's by 10 am and i misted the perlite and pulled my teachers out of there dunk session and popped em into it, humidity is back into the 90's but still only 66-67 F in my basement thats a steady temp wont drop or rise drastically by any means this house is cooking upstairs,

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    #22603910 - 12/02/15 12:26 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

65-75 is what I like. Winter can drop to 60ish. That's all good man. Your basement should be fine and it'll keep contams down. 12 hours shouldn't be any problems either.

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    #22610329 - 12/03/15 07:43 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Day two of spawning to bulk....



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Looks good enough for me


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    #22634907 - 12/09/15 04:40 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Well here we are again. Here's a few photos
These first two were just taken


I am wondering why this second ones stem split them the next day decided to fold up and pop veil.



This is a photo this morning of the first cake


The other two cakes have a lot of pins starting on them just not much major growth in also wondering why they are so slow compared to the one in the sgfc by itself. Thoughts anyone? Ideas? Also should I be concerned about the darker caps on the one cake?

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:fuckinawesome: looks good man


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    #22635080 - 12/09/15 05:34 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Also what's your thoughts on using a convection toaster oven to dry these out. On the convectional setting it has a fan that runs and also lets u set the temp fro. 0 to 500f. Lol

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    #22635286 - 12/09/15 06:22 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

I suppose it could work... If you can set it to 160 you should be fine, or just pick up a cheap dehydrator. Never tried it before but plenty of people dry in their oven so... Give it a try I guess


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    #22635421 - 12/09/15 06:48 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Oh yea it has all the bells and whistles of a toaster oven with a convectional oven setting. Fan turns on and blows the hot air around inside it

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    #22635447 - 12/09/15 06:51 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Just be careful, I'd hate for you to cook your first flush.


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    #22636020 - 12/09/15 08:49 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

For sure all the articles I've read so far say 150 for an hour on each side and it should be crispy dry. I'm thinking I'll go lower like 80 or 100 I could care less how long it takes as long as like you said. I don't cook them

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    #22636688 - 12/09/15 11:21 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

:thumbup: as far as I know the actives don't start breaking down till around 300f so you'll be fine. I'm only worried about how much heat comes off of those coils while they're pre-heating or w/e. It's a toaster oven type deal right? I'm pretty sure you'll be ok but personally I would feel much better about investing in a dehydrator especially if you plan to continue this hobby. I picked up a pos $5 dehydrator at a garage sale, hasn't let me down.


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    #22636846 - 12/10/15 12:19 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

If you're set on using that convection oven..

Id air dry all of them for half a day or so first. Then just put a fat one and skinny one in there to test the process. Id probably find a way to prop the door open slightly to let air flow out as well. And watch it very carefully of course.

I don't store mine for more than a few months so i just rig up a box fan dryer and let that go for a few days. Had them sit around at room temp for months and they still do their job. Comes down to what's practical for your needs, there are plenty of options.

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    #22636907 - 12/10/15 12:44 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

I'm open to ideas for sure. I'd like a dehydrator, although Christmas is coming and times are tough so I'm trying to improvise with what I have. All and all should be a very Merry Christmas. Those other two cakes I have a filling with pins they each have about 20 small pins started on them hoping they don't abort or stall.
And my tub is coming along pretty decently I haven't opened it for a 7 or 8 days but when I look inside, theirs a lot of white stuff forming I'm thinking maybe another 3-6 days that will put it at around 14 days at most. Idk if I should colonize longer than 14 days in a monotube or just try to start to fruit  even if it's not fully colonized?

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    #22636934 - 12/10/15 12:58 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Agar and RR used to say you can "read" the substrate to know when it's ready to fruit by observing the rhizos starting to reach up from the surface. I usually say fuck it after 14 tho. It'll fruit eventuality.

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Sounds good to me:thumbup:

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    #22649712 - 12/13/15 11:44 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Well I don't think I'll be using a convectional oven ever again to dry out mushrooms lol. It took forever and they ended up shrinking down to the size of a toothpick and turning all blue out of the 100 grams of wet I ended up with 8. Grams of dry. Not too bad I suppose the way to go would be a dehydrator I'll be picking one up for these guys

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    #22649782 - 12/13/15 12:02 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Someone correct me if I'm wrong.

Mushrooms are about 90% water. So after drying them its estimated that you'll only get a tenth of your wet weight.


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Yes you're right. for every 10 wet grams you should expect to get 1 dry gram


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Yep they just don't look like your average dried mushrooms is all I'm saying never seen anything like the way the stems. Looking so dark and whatnot even with the heat down low. I may make tea out of them but ref wouldn't be consuming them lol

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Yep they just don't look like your average dried mushrooms is all I'm saying never seen anything like the way the stems. Looking so dark and whatnot even with the heat down low. I may make tea out of them but ref wouldn't be consuming them lol




I don't notice any difference esthetically between an oven and a dehydrator, and if shrooms are for some reason unconsumable (like mold growing on them or w/e) making tea vs eating them will definitely not make any difference.

A dehydrator is still a good appliance to own. But if you happen to have a small heater and a small fan you can do without one and get the same result, if you dislike using an oven that is. ( I only dont like ovens because of their size. Since a dehydrator is smaller it is obviously faster and uses less energy than an oven)

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    #22653776 - 12/14/15 12:12 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Yes Well they aren't contaminated, I just believe they may have been over cooked or for too long, They are fairly blue and thin stemmed, Haven't had the time or the balls to actually try them out yet I'm looking forward to this other flush i have going right now, Probably around 50 grams picked sitting in an open jar in front of a fan right now. my buddy told me that fan drying shouldn't hurt potency, Everyone I've talked to seems to have a lot of different opinions on the subject of drying them considering its illegal to do so in most places. Ill probably stick to maybe making some chili with them



Since these have been takin I've moved separated these cakes into different chambers and picked all the veils that broke, leaving a bunch of pins to finish if they ever will.

Ive also started the fruiting of my Monotube within the last 24 hours and Have seen no signs of anything but a dry ring around where i have the polyfil stuffed. Im still hoping theirs enough spawn to actually produce something in all that substrate. Heres hoping, Happy holidays!

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