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enlightened seed
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who runs this country(U.S.A.)
#22330826 - 10/03/15 11:26 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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would it be incorrect to say the people with the wealth(Rothschilds,Rockafellers,Duponts, etc...) sometimes referred to as the Illuminati actually control the people which most think are in control? I am referring to the government and the politicians mostly.
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zZZz
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yea they prob control most of the peeps within the system, but in regards to the country as a whole, that'd be the war lords.
then the war lords take command from wizards living in caves n shit.
every country is the same.
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Re: who runs this country(U.S.A.) [Re: zZZz]
#22331032 - 10/04/15 12:31 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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burgerbrain
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Our corrupted politicians
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enlightened seed said: would it be incorrect to say the people with the wealth(Rothschilds,Rockafellers,Duponts, etc...) sometimes referred to as the Illuminati actually control the people which most think are in control? I am referring to the government and the politicians mostly.
Yes and No.
Yes, it would be correct to say that various rich, powerful and shadowy benefactors influence our country's leader's decision making. These people are refereed to as Lobbyists.
No, these lobbyists are NOT the Rothschilds, or the Rockafellers.
Here's a list of the top 10 companies that were lobbying America in 2014.
http://money.cnn.com/2014/10/01/investing/companies-lobbying-10-biggest-spenders/
Here's the BIG spenders of 2015.
https://www.opensecrets.org/lobby/top.php?showYear=2015&indexType=s
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Re: who runs this country(U.S.A.) [Re: SpiritWorld]
#22331663 - 10/04/15 08:12 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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nobody runs a damn thing, lots of money from all sides and tons of folks pushing in every direction per their own agendas
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Re: who runs this country(U.S.A.) [Re: airclay]
#22332146 - 10/04/15 10:48 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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The liberals as usual deny reality. Of course money calls the shots, it always has and always will. Its worse now than it used to be, we have incompetent goofs in office while the country goes down the drain.
A lobbyist is merely a bagman. They are the go between who arranges payoffs and collects promises from the politicians to do what they are told. The people with money and big business hire them because they are accepted by the pols. Too many got busted by fbi taking bribes from unknown bribers so now your bribe has to go through a bagman who takes a cut.
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Re: who runs this country(U.S.A.) [Re: burgerbrain]
#22333791 - 10/04/15 05:42 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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burgerbrain said: Our corrupted politicians
The fact that they've been corrupted almost dictates that someone more powerful corrupted them.
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Re: who runs this country(U.S.A.) [Re: airclay]
#22335830 - 10/05/15 07:08 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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airclay said: nobody runs a damn thing, lots of money from all sides and tons of folks pushing in every direction per their own agendas
This is pretty accurate. I'd go a step further, though, and point to the mechanisms through which most of the money is funneled and the agents ultimately receiving it: the two major political parties.
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Re: who runs this country(U.S.A.) [Re: airclay]
#22336142 - 10/05/15 09:02 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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airclay said: nobody runs a damn thing, lots of money from all sides and tons of folks pushing in every direction per their own agendas
Most of the big money is on the same side today, not "all sides" like you're suggesting.
When the health care and insurance companies got the ACA passed, they bought off both the R's and D's, the debate was nothing more than political theater.
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Re: who runs this country(U.S.A.) [Re: qman]
#22336161 - 10/05/15 09:07 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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airclay said: nobody runs a damn thing, lots of money from all sides and tons of folks pushing in every direction per their own agendas
Most of the big money is on the same side today, not "all sides" like you're suggesting.
When the health care and insurance companies got the ACA passed, they bought off both the R's and D's, the debate was nothing more than political theater.
Exactly right. Its amazing how the sheep constantly fall for it. Just enough d's always cross over to pass the nasty junk while the others make speeches against it. What a coincidence.
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Re: who runs this country(U.S.A.) [Re: qman]
#22336177 - 10/05/15 09:12 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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airclay said: nobody runs a damn thing, lots of money from all sides and tons of folks pushing in every direction per their own agendas
Most of the big money is on the same side today, not "all sides" like you're suggesting.
When the health care and insurance companies got the ACA passed, they bought off both the R's and D's, the debate was nothing more than political theater.
There was a legitimate debate over things like preexisting conditions and single payer, but you're right in that big money basically for what they wanted from both parties.
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Re: who runs this country(U.S.A.) [Re: qman]
#22336194 - 10/05/15 09:17 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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airclay said: nobody runs a damn thing, lots of money from all sides and tons of folks pushing in every direction per their own agendas
Most of the big money is on the same side today, not "all sides" like you're suggesting.
When the health care and insurance companies got the ACA passed, they bought off both the R's and D's, the debate was nothing more than political theater.
did the medical profession buy them out or were they simply looking at how to fatten their investment portfolio. the republicans didnt vote to pass the ACA
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Re: who runs this country(U.S.A.) [Re: The Ecstatic]
#22336202 - 10/05/15 09:19 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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airclay said: nobody runs a damn thing, lots of money from all sides and tons of folks pushing in every direction per their own agendas
Most of the big money is on the same side today, not "all sides" like you're suggesting.
When the health care and insurance companies got the ACA passed, they bought off both the R's and D's, the debate was nothing more than political theater.
There was a legitimate debate over things like preexisting conditions and single payer, but you're right in that big money basically for what they wanted from both parties.
"single payer"
There was no debate on it, Obama mentioned it for 2 seconds in a speech, that's it.
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Re: who runs this country(U.S.A.) [Re: qman]
#22336211 - 10/05/15 09:21 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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airclay said: nobody runs a damn thing, lots of money from all sides and tons of folks pushing in every direction per their own agendas
Most of the big money is on the same side today, not "all sides" like you're suggesting.
When the health care and insurance companies got the ACA passed, they bought off both the R's and D's, the debate was nothing more than political theater.
There was a legitimate debate over things like preexisting conditions and single payer, but you're right in that big money basically for what they wanted from both parties.
"single payer"
There was no debate on it, Obama mentioned it for 2 seconds in a speech, that's it.
The single payer option was definitely a struggle that lasted longer than two seconds.
And the insurance companies managed to "evil muslim socialist death panels" their way into getting that removed. It's pretty widely accepted that the passed version of the ACA is a gutted version of the original proposal.
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Re: who runs this country(U.S.A.) [Re: Prisoner#1]
#22336221 - 10/05/15 09:24 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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airclay said: nobody runs a damn thing, lots of money from all sides and tons of folks pushing in every direction per their own agendas
Most of the big money is on the same side today, not "all sides" like you're suggesting.
When the health care and insurance companies got the ACA passed, they bought off both the R's and D's, the debate was nothing more than political theater.
the republicans didnt vote to pass the ACA
Which gives the impression that there was real political opposition taking place, these people aren't stupid.
The Republican debate against the act was completely disingenuous, rhetoric like "government hospitals" and "socialist health care", total nonsense.
I never knew a socialist health care program that got so many private sector companies stinking rich.
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Re: who runs this country(U.S.A.) [Re: qman]
#22336224 - 10/05/15 09:24 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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airclay said: nobody runs a damn thing, lots of money from all sides and tons of folks pushing in every direction per their own agendas
Most of the big money is on the same side today, not "all sides" like you're suggesting.
When the health care and insurance companies got the ACA passed, they bought off both the R's and D's, the debate was nothing more than political theater.
There was a legitimate debate over things like preexisting conditions and single payer, but you're right in that big money basically for what they wanted from both parties.
"single payer"
There was no debate on it, Obama mentioned it for 2 seconds in a speech, that's it.
the democrats that voted for it didnt even know what was in it
the people that supported it had no clue what it said
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Re: who runs this country(U.S.A.) [Re: qman]
#22336229 - 10/05/15 09:27 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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airclay said: nobody runs a damn thing, lots of money from all sides and tons of folks pushing in every direction per their own agendas
Most of the big money is on the same side today, not "all sides" like you're suggesting.
When the health care and insurance companies got the ACA passed, they bought off both the R's and D's, the debate was nothing more than political theater.
the republicans didnt vote to pass the ACA
Which gives the impression that there was real political opposition taking place, these people aren't stupid.
The Republican debate against the act was completely disingenuous, rhetoric like "government hospitals" and "socialist health care", total nonsense.
I never knew a socialist health care program that got so many private sector companies stinking rich.
they didnt read it just as the public didnt read it and just as the democrats didnt read it, it was constantly changing with many parts of it dying in committee and yet it still kept growing but hundreds of pages each week
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Re: who runs this country(U.S.A.) [Re: Prisoner#1]
#22337907 - 10/05/15 06:11 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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y'all are right, I agree most the money is in a similar pot but the sides I speak of weren't left/right, r/d sides but more of the idea that money holders that we're referring are mostly independently operative and pushing their own monies as they see fit.
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not mentioned in the discussion is the military industrial complex
https://www.bing.com/search?q=how+many+wars+is+the+us+in+right+now+2015&qs=AS&pq=how+many+wars&sk=AS5&sc=8-13&sp=6&cvid=5edf1e62065640189633ddacae30fbdb&FORM=QBLH
education and research and infrastructure suffer from lack of funds, but not the war machine and arms business
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