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blew42
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Brf cake B+ trays/micro mono spawned with coir/verm/gypsum
#22046391 - 08/05/15 09:34 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Hey guys, it's been quite awhile since I've been on here! My last (and first) grow was fairly successful; I believe I got around 7-8g dried yield. Not fantastic, but good enough given that it was my first attempt and that I used pre made jars! Now, however, I've started my new project, which should hopefully turn out even better. I followed RR's video guide and made 5 half pint jars, which are are now sitting on my shelf (pictured below). I will be keeping this thread up to date with follow ups, questions (because you fine folks are the people I trust), as well as progress reports! Any comments or questions are much appreciated! Happy growing
Edited by blew42 (09/29/15 02:03 PM)
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Re: Grow Number 2!!! [Re: blew42]
#22046659 - 08/05/15 11:02 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Congratz dude. Good thing you made your own jars. It feels so rewarding knowing that you get out what you put in. Keep us updated
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Re: Grow Number 2!!! [Re: jbaby007]
#22046800 - 08/05/15 11:30 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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You're supposed to use half-pint wide mouth jars. Those are the tall regular mouth. They may stall on you.
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Re: Grow Number 2!!! [Re: 36fuckin5]
#22046872 - 08/05/15 11:50 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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36fuckin5 said: You're supposed to use half-pint wide mouth jars. Those are the tall regular mouth. They may stall on you.
Yeah, I know. I found out after I had already bought them. They're still half pint though so hopefully it won't be too bad. Do you know specifically why the wide mouth ones are better?
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Re: Grow Number 2!!! [Re: blew42]
#22046989 - 08/05/15 12:01 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Wide-mouth are easier to remove after consolidation.
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Re: Grow Number 2!!! [Re: blew42]
#22047025 - 08/05/15 12:08 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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They are ball 1/2 pint jars. I use the same thing, no problem. Kerr wide-mouth jars can be hard to come by. As long as they are tapered and 1/2 pint you shouldn't have an issue. Shorter jars are better because of colonization time. Reg mouth jars can't be used for PF tek because it would be impossible to birth the cake. Tapered jars make it easier to birth the cakes, too.
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Edited by bluegill (08/05/15 12:10 PM)
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Re: Grow Number 2!!! [Re: bluegill]
#22047245 - 08/05/15 12:40 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Taller jars can tend to stall is the problem. The bottom of the jar is far enough from the GE that sometimes it won't reach.
Ace hardware usually carries the right jars.
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Re: Grow Number 2!!! [Re: 36fuckin5]
#22047262 - 08/05/15 12:45 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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I will check Ace out because I really want those Kerr jars for future projects!
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Re: Grow Number 2!!! [Re: 36fuckin5]
#22047278 - 08/05/15 12:50 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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36fuckin5 said: Taller jars can tend to stall is the problem. The bottom of the jar is far enough from the GE that sometimes it won't reach.
Ace hardware usually carries the right jars.
Does having 4 inoculation holes help with that? Also, other than the size, do those jars look alright to you?
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Re: Grow Number 2!!! [Re: blew42]
#22047283 - 08/05/15 12:51 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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blew42 said: Does having 4 inoculation holes help with that?
No.
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Re: Grow Number 2!!! [Re: blew42]
#22047382 - 08/05/15 01:10 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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blew42 said: Does having 4 inoculation holes help with that?
No.
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Also, other than the size, do those jars look alright to you?
I don't judge other peoples' pics like that. My computer sucks and I need glasses that I can't afford. Gonna have to wait for someone else on that one.
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Re: Grow Number 2!!! [Re: 36fuckin5]
#22047415 - 08/05/15 01:23 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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I dunno what's going on. When I click to zoom in the pics, it says they were deleted. Did you delete them?
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Re: Grow Number 2!!! [Re: bluegill]
#22047445 - 08/05/15 01:30 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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bluegill said: I dunno what's going on. When I click to zoom in the pics, it says they were deleted. Did you delete them?
Its a glitch in shroomery right now.
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Re: Grow Number 2!!! [Re: Buck513]
#22047504 - 08/05/15 01:47 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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They should be ok because I have used the same ones. Be warned though it's going to be a bitch to get the cake out though
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Re: Grow Number 2!!! [Re: bluegill]
#22047531 - 08/05/15 01:55 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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bluegill said: I dunno what's going on. When I click to zoom in the pics, it says they were deleted. Did you delete them?
I'm not a mod, I can't delete or edit anything of yours.
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Re: Grow Number 2!!! [Re: 36fuckin5]
#22047541 - 08/05/15 01:57 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Good Grow Bro!
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blew42
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First question of the thread: how soon should mycelial growth start? I know there's no exact answer, but on average, or at least with this set up, what should I be expecting? My average temperature is around 75f, and I used 1cc of B+ spore solution via 4 inoculation holes in each jar.
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Re: Grow Number 2!!! [Re: blew42]
#22058290 - 08/07/15 11:38 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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I've seen signs of growth at day 3 but it can take up to 2 weeks.
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Re: Grow Number 2!!! [Re: jbaby007]
#22058553 - 08/07/15 12:42 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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I use the same jars on occasion with no problems..
if its tough to get them out I usually hold the jar upside-down and hit against the side of my leg on one side of the jar, then the other side of the jar. The cake will slowly wedge itself out of the jar.
I've also found that you can use less than a cc per jar and be a-ok as well.. as long as you get one or two good droplets per hole
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Re: Grow Number 2!!! [Re: newrook]
#22080773 - 08/12/15 10:41 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Another question! In regards to the gas exchange hole at the top, should the micropore tape be removed during the colonization period? And if not, what about the holes that were created by the syringe during inoculation? Should those be covered with additional tape?
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Re: Grow Number 2!!! [Re: blew42]
#22080782 - 08/12/15 10:44 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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congratulations you made it to 2nd grade.
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blew42
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Re: Grow Number 2!!! [Re: TEAMSESH]
#22080810 - 08/12/15 10:54 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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TEAMSESH said: congratulations you made it to 2nd grade.
I don't think I've ever met someone as cool as you
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Re: Grow Number 2!!! [Re: blew42]
#22080886 - 08/12/15 11:15 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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im not cool mile cyres now shes cool
im just saying the stages as you go along with your growing its cool man your secound grow. im on my i think 4th and its a bitch
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Re: Grow Number 2!!! [Re: TEAMSESH]
#22081242 - 08/12/15 12:47 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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TEAMSESH said: im not cool mile cyres now shes cool
im just saying the stages as you go along with your growing its cool man your secound grow. im on my i think 4th and its a bitch
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TEAMSESH said: congratulations you made it to 2nd grade.
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Re: Grow Number 2!!! [Re: blew42]
#22081250 - 08/12/15 12:48 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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blew42 said:
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TEAMSESH said: im not cool mile cyres now shes cool
im just saying the stages as you go along with your growing its cool man your secound grow. im on my i think 4th and its a bitch
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TEAMSESH said: congratulations you made it to 2nd grade.
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Re: Grow Number 2!!! [Re: TEAMSESH]
#22083154 - 08/12/15 07:57 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Re: Grow Number 2!!! [Re: taGyo]
#22086601 - 08/13/15 12:24 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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UPDATE: I have moved the jars to another location, where I've placed a space heater beneath so as to increase them temp. a bit. It's staying at a consistent 78-80f here, so hopefully this will speed up growth a bit (it's been a little over a week and there's no signs of growth).
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Re: Grow Number 2!!! [Re: blew42]
#22086611 - 08/13/15 12:27 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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blew42 said: UPDATE: I have moved the jars to another location, where I've placed a space heater beneath so as to increase them temp
is it not summer
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Re: Grow Number 2!!! [Re: cronicr]
#22086630 - 08/13/15 12:32 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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If you are really in VA... You don't need a heater...room temp is fine.
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Re: Grow Number 2!!! [Re: blew42]
#22086679 - 08/13/15 12:43 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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I used regular mouth half pint jars for a long time simply because wide mouth half pints are apparently impossible to find in my area, and I didn't have too much trouble really. Wide mouth would make it easier to get the cakes out but I haven't had to really fight with mine hardly at all to get the cakes out. Congrats on your new grow! Sending good vibes your way!
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Re: Grow Number 2!!! [Re: cronicr]
#22086692 - 08/13/15 12:46 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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cronicr said:
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blew42 said: UPDATE: I have moved the jars to another location, where I've placed a space heater beneath so as to increase them temp
is it not summer
Hahaha I know it sounds odd, but my temps have been around 73/74 maybe up to 75 sometimes, isn't that a bit cold?
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Re: Grow Number 2!!! [Re: blew42]
#22086697 - 08/13/15 12:47 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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fuck no
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Re: Grow Number 2!!! [Re: cronicr]
#22086836 - 08/13/15 12:58 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Hahaha alright, well in that case I turned the heater off. I was just under the impression that warmer temps sped up colonization.
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Re: Grow Number 2!!! [Re: blew42]
#22086895 - 08/13/15 01:03 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Warmer temps might speed it up...but it also opens it up to Contamination... You are better off at room temperature.
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Re: Grow Number 2!!! [Re: Darkhome]
#22087502 - 08/13/15 02:23 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Anything past 80 actually doesn't speed anything up. It's been shown to slow down, and bacteria colonization rates increase A LOT. Optimal temps for everything is 65-75
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Quote:
Mad Season said: Anything past 80 actually doesn't speed anything up. It's been shown to slow down, and bacteria colonization rates increase A LOT. Optimal temps for everything is 65-75
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blew42
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Re: Grow Number 2!!! [Re: 36fuckin5]
#22088518 - 08/13/15 06:27 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Thank you so much; that's very helpful!
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Re: Grow Number 2!!! [Re: blew42]
#22088627 - 08/13/15 07:02 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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So there's no 86 degree rule anymore?
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Dear lord no. And it wasn't a rule it was a mistake. The person who first said it, I believe it was stamets (correct me if I'm wrong) actually said anything above 86 was most detrimental. Someone interpreted this as the optimal temps, but it's just the temps where everything went to shit for him. Since then we've been constantly proving him right
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True I grew in the winter indoors with mo heater and home was like 59 69 degrees all winter had some thick mushrooms. Cold temps = thick stocks hot temps = hallowed stocks from my experience
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Re: Grow Number 2!!! [Re: TEAMSESH]
#22101883 - 08/17/15 08:43 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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2 questions: 1. Should fans in the room be off during the ENTIRE grow? I know it messes up circulation for SGFCs, but can it also mess up something for the colonization period? 2. Would the flash of an iPhone camera hurt mycelium? I have a very small spot on one of my cakes that I think is the beginning of growth, and I'd like to take a picture of it to put on here so I can get some input about it from people as to whether or not it's good.
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Re: Grow Number 2!!! [Re: blew42]
#22101912 - 08/17/15 08:57 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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blew42 said: 2 questions: 1. Should fans in the room be off during the ENTIRE grow? I know it messes up circulation for SGFCs, but can it also mess up something for the colonization period?
No, your fine with fans in the room for colonization.
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blew42 said: 2. Would the flash of an iPhone camera hurt mycelium? I have a very small spot on one of my cakes that I think is the beginning of growth, and I'd like to take a picture of it to put on here so I can get some input about it from people as to whether or not it's good.
Why wouldn't it be? Please don't tell me you have read to keep them in complete darkness, because that is the last thing a noob should hear.....yes, it's fine to expose the mycelium to light.
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Re: Grow Number 2!!! [Re: PussyFart]
#22102869 - 08/17/15 01:38 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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UPDATE - 08/17/15 Signs of growth are apparent in 3/5 jars after 1 and a half to 2 weeks. Hopefully the other two will start soon!
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blew42
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Re: Grow Number 2!!! [Re: PussyFart]
#22102873 - 08/17/15 01:39 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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blew42 said: 2 questions: 1. Should fans in the room be off during the ENTIRE grow? I know it messes up circulation for SGFCs, but can it also mess up something for the colonization period?
No, your fine with fans in the room for colonization.
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blew42 said: 2. Would the flash of an iPhone camera hurt mycelium? I have a very small spot on one of my cakes that I think is the beginning of growth, and I'd like to take a picture of it to put on here so I can get some input about it from people as to whether or not it's good.
Why wouldn't it be? Please don't tell me you have read to keep them in complete darkness, because that is the last thing a noob should hear.....yes, it's fine to expose the mycelium to light.
Alright cool thanks!
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Re: Grow Number 2!!! [Re: blew42]
#22122408 - 08/21/15 01:11 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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UPDATE: as of today, there are still 2/5 jars that show no signs of myc. If it came that three weeks had passed and there was still no growth at all, how bad would it be to just take the syringe back out at put another half cc of spore solution in each jar? Flame sterilized needle, of course. Just curious is all, other than those two jars, the others are coming along great!
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Re: Grow Number 2!!! [Re: blew42]
#22135269 - 08/24/15 12:20 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Another question, am I supposed to leave micro pore tape on the jars during colonization? I took mine off the other day because I looked at RR's video and his didn't have any. But it doesn't need to be there to filter because that's what the dry layer of verm is for right?
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Re: Grow Number 2!!! [Re: blew42]
#22135327 - 08/24/15 12:45 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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it is not needed
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Re: Grow Number 2!!! [Re: cronicr]
#22170109 - 08/31/15 05:14 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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UPDATE: 4/5 jars are on their way, but one ha yet to colonize. No contams. I'm thinking I might just crumble these and case it because they are takin an incredibly long time to colonize due to the wrong size of the jar. How should I go about casing these? I'm a noob so this is new territory for me, any teks or links for casing pf jars would be awesome!
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Re: Grow Number 2!!! [Re: blew42]
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Leave the last one, just wait it out until they either pin, colonize or stall for a while. Then take them out,. brush off what's left, dunk for 24 hours and cheese grate (Small side). Then mix evenly into a tray.
I suggest using Coir/Verm. Better then just casing.
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/11916595
You can get Coir at any local petco in the reptile section or a hydroponics store.
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Re: Grow Number 2!!! [Re: taGyo]
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taGyo said: Leave the last one, just wait it out until they either pin, colonize or stall for a while. Then take them out,. brush off what's left, dunk for 24 hours and cheese grate (Small side). Then mix evenly into a tray.
I suggest using Coir/Verm. Better then just casing.
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/11916595
You can get Coir at any local petco in the reptile section or a hydroponics store.
Could I wait until two are at 100%, do two of lazymofo's bag teks, and then cut that 50/50 tek in half?
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Re: Grow Number 2!!! [Re: blew42]
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Link the bag tek.
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Re: Grow Number 2!!! [Re: taGyo]
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Re: Grow Number 2!!! [Re: blew42]
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Eat is a great grower.
If I was you I'd probably try something that wasn't 12 years old to get the hang of growing mushrooms and then give it a shot .
You can do what he did though, not sure if you'll get the same results.
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Re: Grow Number 2!!! [Re: taGyo]
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So you suggest I should just wait until they're all colonized and then just mix them all together with the uncolonized one in a tray? And then put the tray in a SGFC?
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Re: Grow Number 2!!! [Re: blew42]
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Yup
But like I said, do what you want. You could pull off that bag trick perfectly and never regret it... Or you could give them a poor environment/not fully understand everything and regret it a lot.
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Re: Grow Number 2!!! [Re: taGyo]
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Alright! So if I decide to not do the bag trick, should I just take that 50/50 tek and reduce it to 1/4 and then mix that into the tray with the grated cakes?
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Re: Grow Number 2!!! [Re: blew42]
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Yup, if you have a problem with ratios like I do then I'd hydrate the whole brick and then store it in ziplocs in my fridge.
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Re: Grow Number 2!!! [Re: taGyo]
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One more question, where do I put the tray while it colonizes completely? Just in the SGFC?
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Re: Grow Number 2!!! [Re: blew42]
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Yup
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Re: Grow Number 2!!! [Re: taGyo]
#22182217 - 09/03/15 09:38 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Would this plan work after 3 out of the 5 jars were at 100%? Because the 4th one is colonized, but by the time it reached 100% the other 3 would have already started pinning in the jars; it's way behind.
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Re: Grow Number 2!!! [Re: taGyo]
#22183525 - 09/03/15 03:21 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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In other words, what is the least amount of total colonization out of the 5 jars where I could safely dump them out/crumble them, and do that coir tek without having to worry about contams too much?
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Re: Grow Number 2!!! [Re: blew42]
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UPDATE: all jars now have signs of myc! Two are at about 60%, one is at about 75%, one just has a small white spot about the size of a quarter, and the other has scattered small spots of colonization around the jar. Part of the issue is that all of the other jars only began colonization from one side, as opposed to having growth from all 4 inoculation spots. I have a brick of coir coming on Wednesday, and I plan on crumbling/grating the jars as spawn in a mini mono soon after. I found a 10 quart tote which I think should work nicely, as not even including the Verm and coir, the substrate and water will be 10 cups minimum. It should fill the tote 1/4-1/3 of the way up. As for monos, I'm new to that. Do I need to put a trash bag on the bottom? I've seen lots of minis without it. And how big should the four poly fil stuffed holes be? And I should still keep a light on a 12/12 timer on top of it and mist everyday right?
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Re: Grow Number 2!!! [Re: blew42]
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blew42 said: In other words, what is the least amount of total colonization out of the 5 jars where I could safely dump them out/crumble them, and do that coir tek without having to worry about contams too much?
blew!
If you're crumbling cakes, you want them 100% colonized, just like if you were going to birth them. Unlike birthing them for a SGFC fruiting, however, you don't want a consolidation period. Just the moment it looks like all the BRF is colonized, take 'em out and crumble them.
The reason for this is that high-nutrient, starchy ingredients contaminate easily. Cooked rice is cooked rice, no matter if you blend it and mix it with vermiculite, so if you can imagine what happens to rice after you leave it out for a couple days, the result with an uncolonized BRF cake is very similar.
The consolidation period is to let the cake get out of its growth phase and enter a fruiting phase. It lets the cake know there's nowhere else for the mycelium to expand to. Obviously if you want it to expand, you don't need to spend a week convincing it it can't first.
So wait until it's colonized, then crumble and case, and then let it colonize your C/V(/G?) before exposing to fruiting conditions.
Yes, put a liner on the bottom. You will always have better fruiting conditions along the sides and under the substrate if you don't, and your side- and bottom-pinning will be awful. Yes, light it the same, but don't mist it unless you need to. Look at your substrate twice and day and check for visible moisture glistening on the surface--if it isn't there, you need to mist.
As for holes, man, that's a tricky question that really depends on your local climate. You want as much FAE as possible so long as that doesn't drop your humidity below 100%. So if it's like 75F outside and raining, lidless in the garage is perfect. If it's 40F and dry as a bone inside because your heater drops the humidity inside like a bitch, you want smaller holes (or the same size holes but make up for the dry conditions with more misting). Some people are blessed with a good mushroom growing climate, like cron in the whale fart territory. For the rest of us, we need to use our eyes and monitor the substrate and adjust based on what we see, just like with cakes.
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Re: Grow Number 2!!! [Re: Psilicon]
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Ah, thank you so much! That was very helpful! My only concern is that a few of my cakes are much farther behind than the others, so I'm afraid that by the time they are at 100% the others will be pinning invitro. Is it ok to still crumble them if they're pinning or is there something I should do to address this issue?
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Re: Grow Number 2!!! [Re: blew42]
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It's usually okay. But if they're running MUCH behind a closer examination of the laggards is in order. They might be slightly bacterial and not really suitable for use as spawn.
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Re: Grow Number 2!!! [Re: Psilicon]
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I haven't noticed any contams on it, just a small (quarter sized) spot of mycelium. If it's not 100% and there are no contams or bacteria , can I throw it in with the other crumbled cakes?
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Re: Grow Number 2!!! [Re: blew42]
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Nope. Never throw it in unless it's 100%. Never.
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Re: Grow Number 2!!! [Re: Psilicon]
#22202373 - 09/07/15 02:13 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Do you think I'd be ok to use 4 100% jars instead of 5 and stick with my current plan?
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Re: Grow Number 2!!! [Re: blew42]
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Yep.
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Re: Grow Number 2!!! [Re: Psilicon]
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Ok good! I didn't know if a half pint difference in the amount of spawn that I use would throw off my ratio too much or not
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Re: Grow Number 2!!! [Re: blew42]
#22212786 - 09/09/15 03:27 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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UPDATE: my brick of coir just came in today, and here are what my jars look like!
(The other side of all of these jars is completely colonized, except for the one in the middle in the first picture; that one is just taking forever)
As soon as I can, I'll take them and grate them out and mix them in and do Damian's 50/50 coir tek reduced to 1/4 of the original measurements. Can't wait!
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Re: Grow Number 2!!! [Re: blew42]
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So this jar is close to being done, but there is one uncolonized spot that seems a by troubling
I know the dark part isn't contam; I've looked closely and it's just brf/Verm. But the yellowish spots around it seem a bit concerning. The rest of the cake is totally healthy, should I worry?
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Re: Grow Number 2!!! [Re: blew42]
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Bump
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Re: Grow Number 2!!! [Re: blew42]
#22231237 - 09/13/15 11:31 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Spawn it and give it a sniff if it starts pinning or after a week consolidation. That looks pretty weird but that's what happens when you use those tall jars.
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Re: Grow Number 2!!! [Re: taGyo]
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taGyo said: Spawn it and give it a sniff if it starts pinning or after a week consolidation. That looks pretty weird but that's what happens when you use those tall jars.
Yeah, lesson learned there. I got some Kerr wide mouths for my next one. But I'm not going to be consolidating these jars cause I'm grating them with a cheese grater once at least 4 of them are just at 100%. No weird smells coming from the inoc. holes as of right now Though
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Re: Grow Number 2!!! [Re: blew42]
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I'd still dunk it for 24 hours but that's just me, either way works but mushrooms love water
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Re: Grow Number 2!!! [Re: taGyo]
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taGyo said: I'd still dunk it for 24 hours but that's just me, either way works but mushrooms love water
Would dunking be ok even if the cake hasnt had a week for consol.? Cause these jars are not on the same timeline; by the time 4 have reached 100%, two of those might have already been there for a few days
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Re: Grow Number 2!!! [Re: blew42]
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Yeah, just wait for them all to get to 100%, a few days won't hurt. The main thing is you don't want your colonization myc switching over to fruit myc. Consolidating for a few days won't make this happen.
Spawning is not sterile so dunking won't hinder colonization, it may actually improve it along with overall yield. We dunk grains for 10-30 minutes to help improve yield and colonization speed. We consolidate to let the myc take over the small bits of highly nutritious BRF that we can't see. This allows mold to have less of a foothold. When spawning with BRF cakes I highly recommend using the small side of the cheese grater for maximum inoculation points and mixing extremely thoroughly.
I'd dunk them all at once when 4 reach 100%. What size tub are you using? I had a Golden Teacher jar pin invitro. I broke it up, dunked it and spawned it like normal and it was just fine. This jar was on my shelf for probably close to a month. I may have lost a tad bit of yield and vigor but it worked just fine. Consolidating for a few days won't hinder, it may even help.
Coir/Verm is also very contam resistant.
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Re: Grow Number 2!!! [Re: taGyo]
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I'm using a 12 qt. tote. Since I'm only using around a quart of spawn I'm reducing Damian's 50/50 coir tek to about 1/4th for my purposes, so I figure that should fit the tote well. I can put up a pic if needed. I'm also throwing in a small amount of Hippie3's super cake formula into the coir and Verm mix just to add some extra nutrients.
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Re: Grow Number 2!!! [Re: blew42]
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I'd probably pass on adding the nutes just because it's your second grow. I'd toy around with that after you get some good mushrooms. Stick to the tek just this one time and then experiment on.
It could be fine but you could also create a foothold for contams. Look for gypsum and add some to add a great nutrient supplement. You may have to adjust your water if you get pellet gypsuum. Gypsum is normally in garden stores and can also be obtained from crushing dry wall.
A pic would be nice
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Re: Grow Number 2!!! [Re: taGyo]
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I'll put up a pic later! And would it be THAT bad to add them? Here's the list:
All of those measurements would be cut in half for my purposes, maybe even a bit more since I'm only using four jars. Plus a small amount of worm castings. I won't do it if you really do strongly advise me not to, it's just that I already went and bought that stuff and I guess am just being impatient hahaha. I figured that, while potentially allowing contams to get a foothold, wouldn't it also help the myc. to colonize much faster? I also can't find gypsum in anything smaller than a 50 lb bag so I don't know where to get that
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Re: Grow Number 2!!! [Re: blew42]
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Here's the pic of the tub I plan on using, @ taGyo
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Re: Grow Number 2!!! [Re: blew42]
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blew42 said: I'll put up a pic later! And would it be THAT bad to add them? Here's the list:
All of those measurements would be cut in half for my purposes, maybe even a bit more since I'm only using four jars. Plus a small amount of worm castings. I won't do it if you really do strongly advise me not to, it's just that I already went and bought that stuff and I guess am just being impatient hahaha. I figured that, while potentially allowing contams to get a foothold, wouldn't it also help the myc. to colonize much faster? I also can't find gypsum in anything smaller than a 50 lb bag so I don't know where to get that
Its not BAD for them, it's just GOOD for more then just them if that makes sense. I completely think you should try this, I don't want to dissuade you, but to combat any unforseen problems with not properly sterilizing or pasturizing anything in that combination I would suggest just doing it normal.
Honestly I think genetics and environment determine a lot more then nutrient content in Coir/Verm. Hpoo and the rest are a different story, they definitely do something for the myc in terms of nutritional content.
You can do what you want and I'll support you though mayne
How many qt jars do you have again? that tub is going to have some serious moisture and dialing-in problems, I'd go with bigger. How deep are you going to make your sub? 'Cause in that I'd say like an inch or two lol, barely anything honestly. And your holes will be displaced.
Try a 27 qt mini mono if you have at least 3 jars, 4 would be great.
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Re: Grow Number 2!!! [Re: taGyo]
#22238196 - 09/14/15 07:17 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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The jars I have a are half pint...so if I'm using four of those that would be equal to one quart sized jar. That being said, does that tub size make more sense?
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Re: Grow Number 2!!! [Re: blew42]
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UPDATE: 2/5 jars are at 100%, and one of them is pinning in vitro. 2 others are nearly at 100%, and one of those is also pinning in vitro (ironically it's the one I was worried about being contaminated).The 5th jar is colonized much slower and is way behind, and I'll probably just put that one into an SGFC when it's ready. I know 2 of the 4 are only at about 95-97%, but would it be safe to go ahead and birth the 4 and dunk and then case them with the coir/Verm tomorrow? Or maybe the next day if needed?
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Re: Grow Number 2!!! [Re: blew42]
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Gonna bump this thread with some invitro pics.
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Re: Grow Number 2!!! [Re: blew42]
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Well I went ahead and reduced the recipe again so I can just go ahead and spawn the two jars that are at 100%. Pics to follow
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Re: Grow Number 2!!! [Re: blew42]
#22252436 - 09/17/15 05:59 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Cased two of the jars with coir Verm and gypsum into two trays, and I cut two holes in each of the lids and covered the holes with micropore tape. Here's a pic
Any thoughts? Should I take the micropore tape off? Does this look good?
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Re: Grow Number 2!!! [Re: blew42]
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Leave the tape on, Good choice to spawn but did you do 1 to each? Are those thick or thin? Because 1 cake is a pretty low spawn ratio unless those are smaller then the pics make them appear to be.
Did you put micropore because there's a hole there? 'Cause that's good, it'll make sure GE is happening as well.
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Re: Grow Number 2!!! [Re: taGyo]
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taGyo said: Leave the tape on, Good choice to spawn but did you do 1 to each? Are those thick or thin? Because 1 cake is a pretty low spawn ratio unless those are smaller then the pics make them appear to be.
Did you put micropore because there's a hole there? 'Cause that's good, it'll make sure GE is happening as well.
Yeah, there are holes underneath the tape. And surprisingly, those are only from two jars. those trays are about 2 in. wide, 2 in. deep, and 7 or 8 inches long. i only used an 1/8th of a brick of coir, 1 cup of vermiculite, a teaspoon of gypsum, and 2 cups of water. But yeah, essentially there is one jar per tray
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Re: Grow Number 2!!! [Re: 36fuckin5]
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36fuckin5 said: You're supposed to use half-pint wide mouth jars. Those are the tall regular mouth. They may stall on you.
and they did, and it was a BITCH. trust the TCs kids, they know what's up. get Kerr wide mouths at a True Value hardware store or ace hardware like 36fuckin5 said
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Re: Grow Number 2!!! [Re: blew42]
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What is the cause of the stall? Can it be prevented?
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The stall was caused by using tall jars instead of the short half pints...yep use the short jars
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Re: Grow Number 2!!! [Re: Darkhome]
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but is it a moisture to substrate issue or a substrate to mycelium growth rate issue. Or is it an unknown?
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BurkesGarden said: but is it a moisture to substrate issue or a substrate to mycelium growth rate issue. Or is it an unknown?
The problem is that the jars are so tall that the mycelium has a harder time reaching the gas exchange at the top
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Re: Grow Number 2!!! [Re: blew42]
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Re: Grow Number 2!!! [Re: blew42]
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BurkesGarden said: but is it a moisture to substrate issue or a substrate to mycelium growth rate issue. Or is it an unknown?
The problem is that the jars are so tall that the mycelium has a harder time reaching the gas exchange at the top
Not to mention water is pulled out of the substrate and towards the bottom of the jar, creating a damp environment mycelium won't colonize.
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Re: Grow Number 2!!! [Re: blew42]
#22256243 - 09/18/15 01:30 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Less than 24 hours later: (Sorry about the condensation on the lid, it makes it a bit hard to see)
Like clockwork
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Re: Grow Number 2!!! [Re: taGyo]
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BurkesGarden said: but is it a moisture to substrate issue or a substrate to mycelium growth rate issue. Or is it an unknown?
The problem is that the jars are so tall that the mycelium has a harder time reaching the gas exchange at the top
Not to mention water is pulled out of the substrate and towards the bottom of the jar, creating a damp environment mycelium won't colonize.
the gas exchange i can see that... thanks for the insight.
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3 days later:
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Re: Grow Number 2!!! [Re: blew42]
#22266194 - 09/20/15 05:59 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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So I went ahead and spawned two more of the jars because one of them was pinning like crazy and I needed to do something. So I went for it and made my "micro" mono out of it. Threw in a reduced/proportional amount of super cake formula as well. May not work too well but we'll see how it goes!
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Re: Grow Number 2!!! [Re: blew42]
#22275247 - 09/22/15 05:16 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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6 days later:
How close to 100% are these?
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Re: Grow Number 2!!! [Re: blew42]
#22275384 - 09/22/15 05:43 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Take the lid off and show me.
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Re: Grow Number 2!!! [Re: taGyo]
#22275420 - 09/22/15 05:50 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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taGyo said: Take the lid off and show me.
With these, and with the mono as well, does taking the lid off not hurt them? i thought it would release all of the humidity and expose it to contamination?
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Re: Grow Number 2!!! [Re: blew42]
#22275426 - 09/22/15 05:51 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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no it's fine to take the lid off for a peek
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Re: Grow Number 2!!! [Re: cronicr]
#22275468 - 09/22/15 06:02 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Oh, well in that case here's the mono too (2 days out)
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Re: Grow Number 2!!! [Re: blew42]
#22275473 - 09/22/15 06:03 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Both look great, the bottom I'd give one or two more days, top 2-3.
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Re: Grow Number 2!!! [Re: taGyo]
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taGyo said: Both look great, the bottom I'd give one or two more days, top 2-3.
Alright, thanks! And with the trays, should I birth them and put them in the SGFC and fan/mist just like a normal cake, or should I just put the trays in there as they are and fruit them like that? I think I have a fairly confident grip on the fruiting process with the mono, but not at all with these trays
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Re: Grow Number 2!!! [Re: blew42]
#22275501 - 09/22/15 06:07 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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I'd either fruit it in an SGFC or a mono but I wouldn't leave that tray out in open air for maximum results. It can be done but there's just no reason to do so unless you're experimenting. I'd case the tray as well
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Re: Grow Number 2!!! [Re: taGyo]
#22275522 - 09/22/15 06:10 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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taGyo said: I'd either fruit it in an SGFC or a mono but I wouldn't leave that tray out in open air for maximum results. It can be done but there's just no reason to do so unless you're experimenting. I'd case the tray as well
what I meant was I'm going to put them in my SGFC, but I don't know whether to birth the substrate from the tray like one big block or leave it in the tray as it is
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Re: Grow Number 2!!! [Re: blew42]
#22275532 - 09/22/15 06:13 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Keep it in that tray
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Re: Grow Number 2!!! [Re: taGyo]
#22275538 - 09/22/15 06:14 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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taGyo said: Keep it in that tray
Alright, thanks!
As for the casing, should I just put a layer of verm on top of them?
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Re: Grow Number 2!!! [Re: blew42]
#22275540 - 09/22/15 06:15 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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That'll work wonders
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Re: Grow Number 2!!! [Re: taGyo]
#22275574 - 09/22/15 06:24 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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taGyo said: That'll work wonders
Awesome! As for maintenance, should I mist/fan the same way I do with cakes, or is it not as necessary with trays like this?
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Re: Grow Number 2!!! [Re: blew42]
#22278947 - 09/23/15 01:48 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Bump
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Re: Grow Number 2!!! [Re: blew42]
#22278953 - 09/23/15 01:49 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Mist if dry, if you don't mist don't fan. Fanning is pretty unecessary with trays honestly, especially if you case it, but it might make you feel better
If I misted I'd give it a small fan though.
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Re: Grow Number 2!!! [Re: taGyo]
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just read through all of this, hows im coming along for ya? would you reccomend I take the route you did, or just sgfc? I have literally the exact same jars as you. 12 that Ill start on friday, and 2 that I started today. keep us posted, looks great so far!
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Re: Grow Number 2!!! [Re: funguy64]
#22282161 - 09/24/15 05:00 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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funguy64 said: just read through all of this, hows im coming along for ya? would you reccomend I take the route you did, or just sgfc? I have literally the exact same jars as you. 12 that Ill start on friday, and 2 that I started today. keep us posted, looks great so far!
Hard to say at this point, I'll let you know once they start pinning/growing! I will say spawning to bulk (or I guess "mini" bulk in this case) is a lot less intimidating than it seems. If it proves to give me higher yields than I got last time with just cakes in the SGFC then I'd highly recommend this route!
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Re: Grow Number 2!!! [Re: taGyo]
#22282163 - 09/24/15 05:03 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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taGyo said: Both look great, the bottom I'd give one or two more days, top 2-3.
Here's the bottom ones, two days later:
Ready to fruit?
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Re: Grow Number 2!!! [Re: blew42]
#22284106 - 09/24/15 01:59 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Re: Grow Number 2!!! [Re: blew42]
#22287687 - 09/25/15 09:43 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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UPDATE: both trays and the mono are now in fruiting!
Holes are 1.25 in., bottom ones are stuffed tight with polyfil, top ones are stuffed loosely. Thin layer of Verm was applied to both trays in the SGFC. Both FCs have 6500k lights over them on a 12/12 cycle. Should I run my ceiling fan on low? I heard you needed to run a fan for monotubs to work, but would that mess up the flow of the SGFC?
Picture updates will follow; can't wait to start seein those pins!
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Re: Grow Number 2!!! [Re: blew42]
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lookn good!
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Re: Grow Number 2!!! [Re: funguy64]
#22288800 - 09/25/15 03:01 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Need to know if I need that fan running on low or not?
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Re: Grow Number 2!!! [Re: blew42]
#22288808 - 09/25/15 03:03 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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I wouldn't.
Dial it in though:
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/17332777
Just loosen the top and bottom until they look similar. I wouldn't run a fan in a room with an SGFC.
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Re: Grow Number 2!!! [Re: taGyo]
#22288875 - 09/25/15 03:20 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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taGyo said: I wouldn't.
Dial it in though:
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/17332777
Just loosen the top and bottom until they look similar. I wouldn't run a fan in a room with an SGFC.
Yeah that's the thread I followed! Did I do it wrong?
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Re: Grow Number 2!!! [Re: blew42]
#22292019 - 09/26/15 07:05 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Woke up and found this little guy trying to sprout!
Should I pluck it or is it fine?
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Re: Grow Number 2!!! [Re: blew42]
#22292153 - 09/26/15 08:09 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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It's fine. Happens now and then. Maybe it's good luck.
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Re: Grow Number 2!!! [Re: taGyo]
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It's fine. Happens now and then. Maybe it's good luck.
Seems like maybe it could even be a good thing? You know, taking up the CO2, making oxygen? Just a thought
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Re: Grow Number 2!!! [Re: blew42]
#22292186 - 09/26/15 08:19 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Are there beads of moisture all along that sub?
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Re: Grow Number 2!!! [Re: taGyo]
#22292204 - 09/26/15 08:27 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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A bit sporadically, but yeah. I think most of it is from drips falling off the lid. A lot of the moisture is running down the sides and going between the trash bag liner and the wall/bottom of the mono
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Re: Grow Number 2!!! [Re: blew42]
#22292215 - 09/26/15 08:31 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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I would give that a gentle mist then. You want tiny beads of moisture all along the substrate.
How are your evaporation lines? Like Frank's?
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Re: Grow Number 2!!! [Re: taGyo]
#22292239 - 09/26/15 08:42 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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They're on all sides of the mono. It's hard to tell cause they were already there before I put it into fruiting. I do have the dry spaces around the top holes and the dry rings around the bottom holes though
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Re: Grow Number 2!!! [Re: blew42]
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IME if my mono isn't fogging up I'm giving it too much FAE.
It could be different for your environment though, we'll see when the pins come in. I'd just give that a gentle mist and wait
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Re: Grow Number 2!!! [Re: taGyo]
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taGyo said: IME if my mono isn't fogging up I'm giving it too much FAE.
It could be different for your environment though, we'll see when the pins come in. I'd just give that a gentle mist and wait
Again, it's hard to tell; the evaporation/condensation lines were so well established after the colonization period that if there is/isn't any patterns of condensation now, it's hard to see them. Could just be the result of using such a small mono
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Re: Grow Number 2!!! [Re: blew42]
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Re: Grow Number 2!!! [Re: taGyo]
#22304056 - 09/28/15 05:11 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Update: Day 3 in fruiting for mono, day 4 in fruiting for trays. Temps outside the FCs are 70-71f consistently. 12/12 cycle with a 6500k lamp over each FC. Still no signs of pinning or primordia at all. When I open the mono lid I smell fresh mushie goodness, but when I open the SGFC I smell nothing from the trays. I'm wondering if I put too much Verm on the trays? Here are the pics:
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Re: Grow Number 2!!! [Re: blew42]
#22304064 - 09/28/15 05:13 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Also, just letting you all know that dark-ish spot is not contam; it's been here since I spawned. Just an area with a lot of substrate that I guess I didn't mix thoroughly enough with spawn.
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Re: Grow Number 2!!! [Re: blew42]
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Surface area contributes to smell. In that SGFC you have perlite, trays, aluminum, air, etc. moving around.
In that Monotub you have a lot more mushroom material (and also uncased which is a big factor in smell). Both look great brotha, I usually wait 5 days to see pins. If it takes longer then that then it's normally the culture.
The darkish spot just looks like slightly less colonized CVG. Fine, in other words
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Re: Grow Number 2!!! [Re: taGyo]
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any news op?
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Re: Grow Number 2!!! [Re: funguy64]
#22308532 - 09/29/15 02:04 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Nothing as of now...I just have to be patient at this point hahaha
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Re: Grow Number 2!!! [Re: blew42]
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thats the worst part haha. im planning on doing kinda what youre doing, so ill be following the progress here! sorry if you've already said this in this thread (on mobile atm) but did you do any cakes or just all to mini mono and how many do you think id need to do the same? have 15 going right now..
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Re: Grow Number 2!!! [Re: funguy64]
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funguy64 said: thats the worst part haha. im planning on doing kinda what youre doing, so ill be following the progress here! sorry if you've already said this in this thread (on mobile atm) but did you do any cakes or just all to mini mono and how many do you think id need to do the same? have 15 going right now..
15! Wow. I only had 5 with this one
That "mini mono" is really way smaller than most mini monos I've seen; I only used two of my half pints as spawn for that one. The trays contain one jar each, so the two of those trays and the mono both have the same total amount of coir/Verm. I just took Damian's coir tek and reduced it down to my needs. His tek calls for 5 quarts of spawn, which is equal to 20 half pints. So if you're doing 15 and want to use all of them as spawn, you'd need to reduce his measurements to 3/4 of the original
So if you're using that many jars as spawn, you really would just end up making a smaller mono and not a mini.
Take all of this with a grain of salt - I'm not TOO experienced, but I've done my reading Hope that helped!
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Re: Grow Number 2!!! [Re: blew42]
#22309347 - 09/29/15 04:13 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Also, question for @taGyo, or anyone else that wants to answer. I'm worried about the layer of Verm on my trays. It's definitely not that thick, it just seems like it would prevent evaporation and light for the mycelium, wouldn't it?
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Re: Grow Number 2!!! [Re: blew42]
#22309478 - 09/29/15 04:32 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Don't worry about it, it's just holding in the humidity closer to the surface to invoke pinning. Trust me, you'll be fine
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Re: Grow Number 2!!! [Re: taGyo]
#22314589 - 09/30/15 02:57 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Day 5 in fruiting for mono, day 6 for trays. Still no signs of primordia or pins at all
(I hit the mono with my spray bottle after I took this pic because I didn't see any moisture on the surface)
(The only difference I've noticed with these trays after putting them in fruiting is the block appear to have shrunk because there's more space around the edges)
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Re: Grow Number 2!!! [Re: blew42]
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That ain't 2 pins about 2 inches away from that sprout at the 2 o'clock position? Kinda looks like it...maybe not
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Re: Grow Number 2!!! [Re: LocN9ne]
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Nope...I'm starting to wonder if these weren't fully colonized when I put them into fruiting. Everyone said they were, but I wonder if the flash on my phone light just made them look whiter than they actually were
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Re: Grow Number 2!!! [Re: blew42]
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It still looks good...patience...
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Re: Grow Number 2!!! [Re: LocN9ne]
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I just sprayed the mono because he surface moisture was looking low, and I accidentally had the bottle on the squirt setting instead of the spray. That won't hurt the mycelium will it? Like instead of the normal droplets of water on the surface I could see t soak into the coir and make it dark from the water
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Re: Grow Number 2!!! [Re: blew42]
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You'll probably have a sweet bruise where the water hit...but your fine.
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Re: Grow Number 2!!! [Re: TEAMSESH]
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The hollow stalks i got those on my second flush..... thanks for this info now i am going to go search it out..
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Day 7 in mono, day 8 for trays, still nothing. I'm not too worried about the trays, they're shrinking more and more everyday so I know there's still mycelial activity. But I'm convinced something has to be wrong with the mono. Surface moisture keeps disappearing and it looks the exact same every day, no progress. Here are the pics
(Top left corner isn't contam, that's where the bottle was accidentally on squirt instead of mist.)
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Re: Grow Number 2!!! [Re: blew42]
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Also, would it be better if it just birthed/dunked those two trays and put them in the SGFC like normal cakes? They've consolidated so much at this point (I can tell by the shrinking) that I feel like it would work.
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Re: Grow Number 2!!! [Re: blew42]
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Update: trays have been birthed as loaves, I spray and fan them in he SGFC several times a day. Still nothing much with the mono, although I definitely do see a lot of small hyphae knots, but they're very small and haven't been getting much bigger. Just gotta keep waiting
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Re: Grow Number 2!!! [Re: blew42]
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Thanks for the updates I am keeping up with your progress to consider this tek for myself
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Hyphal knots in the mono are getting slowly bigger every day...just waiting for them to get big enough and become pins and then shoot off
Still no signs of primordia on the tray loaves, but I know they'll come eventually
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Re: Grow Number 2!!! [Re: blew42]
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Awesome!!
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Knots are picking up more and more, and it's hard to see but there are even a few pins popping up!
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Re: Grow Number 2!!! [Re: blew42]
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I really want to run a small fan next to the monotub facing the wall like everyone says to, but I'm worried it will mess up the SGFC. If I did so, I could move the SGFC to the other side of the room, and the fan I would use would just be a small table fan. Would this be a problem?
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Re: Grow Number 2!!! [Re: blew42]
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I'll bump that question with this pic where you can see some of the pins in the mono
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Re: Grow Number 2!!! [Re: blew42]
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Looking good excited to continue to see how the process is going. As for the fan I would not know. I am so very Noob.
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What I need help with is figuring out how to keep the moisture on the surface of my mono. I'll spray it with the mister and all of the surface moisture will be gone within hours. Is it too much FAE? Bottom holes are stuffed tightly and top holes are loose. See my last pic of them, I haven't changed them. Should I tighten the top holes?
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Re: Grow Number 2!!! [Re: blew42]
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Spray a mist over the tub lightly. Not having a casing layer to absorb any excess moisture on the surface could result in contams down the road.
Keep the bottom holes stuffed tightly. The top holes should always be dialed in loosely, you want the humid, high CO2 air to be able to escape easily and not be trapped in the tub, which would create an anaerobic environment over time, and seriously affect fruiting potential.
A week into the fruiting phase and you should be seeing more pins by now. It could jut be bad genetics, especially if you started from MS. Just wait it out and see.
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Spray a mist over the tub lightly. Not having a casing layer to absorb any excess moisture on the surface could result in contams down the road.
Keep the bottom holes stuffed tightly. The top holes should always be dialed in loosely, you want the humid, high CO2 air to be able to escape easily and not be trapped in the tub, which would create an anaerobic environment over time, and seriously affect fruiting potential.
A week into the fruiting phase and you should be seeing more pins by now. It could jut be bad genetics, especially if you started from MS. Just wait it out and see.
It will be 2 weeks in fruiting as of tomorrow and I've have about 5 pins so far, and the hyphae knots I do see are growing extremely slowly
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Re: Grow Number 2!!! [Re: blew42]
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So I've got some small little fruits coming up before the rest, and the pinset is pretty unevenly timed. I've been laying out the ones I pick on a plate and letting them dry and then putting them in a jar with some silica gel packets. I was gonna do this until the first flush was done and then put them all on the fan to dry at once. Is this a good idea or should I just go ahead and put them all on the fan right now?
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You can get a food dehydrator at your local Walmart for like 35$ . Fan drying will not get them completely cracker dry. Potency will be lost in the process.
After 12 hours at the highest setting, they'll snap like a twig when you apply pressure.
At that point, you can go ahead and store in your mason jar with a silica gel packet.
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You can get a food dehydrator at your local Walmart for like 35$ . Fan drying will not get them completely cracker dry. Potency will be lost in the process.
After 12 hours at the highest setting, they'll snap like a twig when you apply pressure.
At that point, you can go ahead and store in your mason jar with a silica gel packet.
What setting/temperature do you run the dehydrator on?
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You can get a food dehydrator at your local Walmart for like 35$ . Fan drying will not get them completely cracker dry. Potency will be lost in the process.
After 12 hours at the highest setting, they'll snap like a twig when you apply pressure.
At that point, you can go ahead and store in your mason jar with a silica gel packet.
What setting/temperature do you run the dehydrator on?
Crank it all the way up. The highest most dehydrators go is 160f, which is wayy below the temp at which the actives start being degraded at. (350f+ I believe)
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You can get a food dehydrator at your local Walmart for like 35$ . Fan drying will not get them completely cracker dry. Potency will be lost in the process.
After 12 hours at the highest setting, they'll snap like a twig when you apply pressure.
At that point, you can go ahead and store in your mason jar with a silica gel packet.
What setting/temperature do you run the dehydrator on?
Crank it all the way up. The highest most dehydrators go is 160f, which is wayy below the temp at which the actives start being degraded at. (350f+ I believe)
Alright, thanks! Just curious, why does fan drying make them lose potency?
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Re: Grow Number 2!!! [Re: blew42]
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The fresh mushies are exposed to the elements for an extended period of time (light, moisture, and open air all degrade potency). Fan drying will take at least a couple of days till they're stiff and break easily. But even then, they may still contain residual moisture.
Using a food dehydrator wil speed up the process drastically, so your mushies will go from fresh to cracker dry in about 6 hours (at the highest setting). The faster you get them to that point, the less you have to worry about any potency loss.
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Pins and fruits are showing up now...but so far they're very small. I think it's just crap genetics (but please correct me if it's something else!).
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The upper right corner of the tub is lookin green. That's trich. And it's why your tub is stalling out and not pinning. The mycelium is spending it's energy trying to fight off the trich but it will take over the tub eventually. Sorry dude. The tub should be trashed. Inhaling mold spores is no fun.
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The upper right corner of the tub is lookin green. That's trich. And it's why your tub is stalling out and not pinning. The mycelium is spending it's energy trying to fight off the trich but it will take over the tub eventually. Sorry dude. The tub should be trashed. Inhaling mold spores is no fun.
Are you sure that's not the black trash bag showing through the myc? I haven't noticed any smells
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The upper right corner of the tub is lookin green. That's trich. And it's why your tub is stalling out and not pinning. The mycelium is spending it's energy trying to fight off the trich but it will take over the tub eventually. Sorry dude. The tub should be trashed. Inhaling mold spores is no fun.
Are you sure that's not the black trash bag showing through the myc? I haven't noticed any smells
It has a light green color, so it can't be part of the black trashbag. If you can get a closer photo of it, that'd be nice, and would make it easier to identify. I had to zoom in all the way just to see it, but when I did I was like
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The upper right corner of the tub is lookin green. That's trich. And it's why your tub is stalling out and not pinning. The mycelium is spending it's energy trying to fight off the trich but it will take over the tub eventually. Sorry dude. The tub should be trashed. Inhaling mold spores is no fun.
Are you sure that's not the black trash bag showing through the myc? I haven't noticed any smells
It has a light green color, so it can't be part of the black trashbag. If you can get a closer photo of it, that'd be nice, and would make it easier to identify. I had to zoom in all the way just to see it, but when I did I was like
Hahaha, that's a little plant that sprouted
You can see when it was a little sprout earlier in this thread, now it's about to bloom with some kind of small flower or something
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Lol. But that green blotch is still there in the upper right corner and will continue to spread. It was most likely the result of unclean spawn. Gotta work on those sterile techniques in the SAB.
You should try out bulk for your next run. Get a bag of oats from the feed store and prep a shitload of jars, so if a couple fail it's no big deal. It's nice to have multiple monos running at once.
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You should try out bulk for your next run. Get a bag of oats from the feed store and prep a shitload of jars, so if a couple fail it's no big deal. It's nice to have multiple monos running at once.
I do plan on trying out bulk, just gotta get a weight for my pressure cooker. And are you SURE that's trich? When I look at it closely it looks like that's just where the substrate is thin and the trash bag is showing
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You should try out bulk for your next run. Get a bag of oats from the feed store and prep a shitload of jars, so if a couple fail it's no big deal. It's nice to have multiple monos running at once.
I do plan on trying out bulk, just gotta get a weight for my pressure cooker. And are you SURE that's trich? When I look at it closely it looks like that's just where the substrate is thin and the trash bag is showing
Cool, you won't be disappointed doing bulk.
You'll be able to get like 3x what you'd get off of a normal pf tek grow, if done right!!
Give the tub some time, you'll know soon enough.
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How do I start doing bulk? I wanna start, but I don't know how to go about it?
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You should try out bulk for your next run. Get a bag of oats from the feed store and prep a shitload of jars, so if a couple fail it's no big deal. It's nice to have multiple monos running at once.
I do plan on trying out bulk, just gotta get a weight for my pressure cooker. And are you SURE that's trich? When I look at it closely it looks like that's just where the substrate is thin and the trash bag is showing
Cool, you won't be disappointed doing bulk.
You'll be able to get like 3x what you'd get off of a normal pf tek grow, if done right!!
Give the tub some time, you'll know soon enough.
I looked again closely with the lid off, I definitely don't see any trich, and there weren't any awful smells. Do you know what else might be causing this sporadic pinning?
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Also found this little dude trapped under the lower polyfil ball!
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If your tub isn't pinning properly, try readjusting that bottom polyfill. Make it as tight as possible. Keep the top holes a lot looser with the poly. You don't want stagnant air in your tub. You can also try running a small fan pointed away from the tub at the opposite side of the room.
You won't see pinning if conditions at the surface level are not favorable for growth. You want high relative humidity and FAE. Keep re-adjusting your poly till you get it just right!!
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You won't see pinning if conditions at the surface level are not favorable for growth. You want high relative humidity and FAE. Keep re-adjusting your poly till you get it just right!!
Bottom is very tight, I roll up a bunch of polyfil into a into a tight ball and stuff it in and then stuff more in around it. The top holes are loose, and I have the dry areas around them on the walls of the tub. Also, I want to have a fan running by I also have an SGFC next to the tub, and I've been told that would mess up the SGFC
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Also, it's been over 3 weeks since my trays were put into fruiting, and around 2 weeks/ a week and a half since I birthed them as loaves. I'm beginning to think about tossing them
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^^^because there is 0 knotting/pinning. It might be because it ate into the aluminum tray a bit, I can see holes in them and the sides of the loaves have a lot of yellowing on them
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Re: Grow Number 2!!! [Re: blew42]
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Here are some pics:
Also, with that pic of the mushroom I just put up, the gills are purple (I assume because of the spores). Is it still safe to eat?
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Re: Grow Number 2!!! [Re: blew42]
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Re: Grow Number 2!!! [Re: blew42]
#22365093 - 10/11/15 07:23 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Just give em time. I bet they'll pin soon now that you're questioning them.. Or maybe they're pinning underneath.. They look well hydrated on top at least. Sides are always a bitch to hydrate.
Also i too saw the top left corner of that tub and saw trich
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Mad Season said: Just give em time. I bet they'll pin soon now that you're questioning them.. Or maybe they're pinning underneath.. They look well hydrated on top at least. Sides are always a bitch to hydrate.
Also i too saw the top left corner of that tub and saw trich
Top left corner isn't trich, it's where I accidentally sprayed the substrate on squirt mode instead of mist and it soaked through the myc and now the coir is showing. Again, I don't smell anything strong when I open the lid. Is it a specific spot you're talking about, or just the dark blotches on that area?
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Re: Grow Number 2!!! [Re: blew42]
#22365187 - 10/11/15 07:51 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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blew42 said: Top left corner isn't trich, it's where I accidentally sprayed the substrate on squirt mode instead of mist and it soaked through the myc and now the coir is showing. Again, I don't smell anything strong when I open the lid. Is it a specific spot you're talking about, or just the dark blotches on that area?
Top right edge of the tub. It's green.
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It most certainly is...
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Re: Grow Number 2!!! [Re: LocN9ne]
#22365331 - 10/11/15 08:27 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Should I put up a closer pic? I really don't think it's trich. That's a thin area of substrate where the strashbag and part of its yellow drawstring are showing.
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Re: Grow Number 2!!! [Re: blew42]
#22365346 - 10/11/15 08:28 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Yeah shoot a closer pic...because that looks like grainy ass sporelated mold
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Re: Grow Number 2!!! [Re: blew42]
#22365351 - 10/11/15 08:29 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Re: Grow Number 2!!! [Re: blew42]
#22365374 - 10/11/15 08:35 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Fuckin aye, good shit...that shit Hella look liked mold... carry on.
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Re: Grow Number 2!!! [Re: LocN9ne]
#22365401 - 10/11/15 08:42 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Also, I can't get an answer from people on this. I asked taGyo about running my ceiling fan, but not about just a small fan. If I run a small fan next to the mono pointing towards the other side of the room, would that hurt my SGFC? It would be lined up like this: fan - mono - SGFC
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Re: Grow Number 2!!! [Re: blew42]
#22365426 - 10/11/15 08:48 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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It shouldn't be a problem...you just gotta keep an eye on your cakes as usual...mist them when they look dry... I doubt a small fan would be detrimental to your sgfc, especially with an obstacle and facing the opposite direction...
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Re: Grow Number 2!!! [Re: LocN9ne]
#22365472 - 10/11/15 08:55 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Alright sweet! So should the fan be blowing perpendicular to the mono or in the opposite direction (as if the side of the fan that "sucks" is facing the side)?
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Re: Grow Number 2!!! [Re: blew42]
#22365574 - 10/11/15 09:09 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Don't over think it... you just want to make sure that whatever air currents you have going in the room don't dry your sub or cakes out... so yeah just don't point it directly at any of your work.
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Re: Grow Number 2!!! [Re: LocN9ne]
#22373234 - 10/13/15 12:54 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Still absolutely NOTHING on my tray "loaves" in the SGFC. Should I just crumble and bury them outside?
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Re: Grow Number 2!!! [Re: blew42]
#22378730 - 10/14/15 01:53 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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^^^? Still nothing
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Re: Grow Number 2!!! [Re: blew42]
#22378830 - 10/14/15 02:14 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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I'd still give it a couple of days before tossing it. Could just be genetics.
As long as you don't see any trich forming, then keep waiting.
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Psilosoulful said: I'd still give it a couple of days before tossing it. Could just be genetics.
As long as you don't see any trich forming, then keep waiting.
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Re: Grow Number 2!!! [Re: blew42]
#22385514 - 10/15/15 08:41 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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It's finally pinning!!
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Re: Grow Number 2!!! [Re: Darkhome]
#22419085 - 10/22/15 04:42 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Well guys, it was a good ride. I took the cakes (which NEVER fruited, minus that one shroom) and my mono outside today and buried them. Mixed in some worm castings, put in hole, covered with worm castings and then Verm and then dirt on top. I'll post any pics of outdoor flushes that come up
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