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Re: First timer, SW PE. [Re: lbot1983]
    #22028395 - 08/01/15 01:16 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

The surface of a tray/casing should be covered in tiny droplets of water. You have to dial in your chamber, if it's drying out the surface like it is you have to adjust your humidifier.

Here is a pic of what a sub should look like:



That's my KSSS, I get so many pins the substrate gets sucked dry.  Here is what it looks like after:




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Re: First timer, SW PE. [Re: taGyo]
    #22028406 - 08/01/15 01:18 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

you do as you want of course but the whole point of a martha is to dial the humidifier in so you dont have to mist.

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Re: First timer, SW PE. [Re: spacechildo]
    #22028453 - 08/01/15 01:23 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I realized a few minutes ago my perlite is dry, thats the issue, i had dropplets like that on the sub yesterday. Its gotta be because my perlite dried out. Id guess evaporation increased from that beyond what i was putting back. Gotta love the 15% rh nevada desert. Thanks for the help, doubt i would have noticed without it.


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Re: First timer, SW PE. [Re: lbot1983]
    #22028464 - 08/01/15 01:24 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Okay, lets try that.


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Re: First timer, SW PE. [Re: taGyo]
    #22028504 - 08/01/15 01:28 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Uhh... you're using perlite in a setup that involves a humidifier?  :confused:


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Re: First timer, SW PE. [Re: taGyo]
    #22028511 - 08/01/15 01:28 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

your martha has perlite? I'm confused dude!

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Re: First timer, SW PE. [Re: spacechildo] * 1
    #22028615 - 08/01/15 01:47 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Nobody wants to take advice anymore.


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Re: First timer, SW PE. [Re: taGyo]
    #22028753 - 08/01/15 02:19 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Yes, if the US runs to much it saturates, so i use damp perlite layer to help keep the humidity stable, similar to an impeller type on bottom. Under the perlite is a small adjustable pc fan pushing air up through the perlite. There are beads of water on both cased tubs and most of the uncased. Just that small area that seemed a bit dry, maybe from the cluster growing there.

What i am going to do instead of trying to use the US more is go out and get an impeller type vicks.

I am taking advise, im not idly standing by seeing if what everyone says is correct. I am doing things to improve the problem you pointed out. I am misting more, i am looking into dialing in the martha a bit more, just because someone does not do exactly what you say does not me they arnt taking your advise.

I do appreciate all the help from everyone. Please keep it coming, dont be let down if every word it not fallowed.


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Re: First timer, SW PE. [Re: lbot1983]
    #22028779 - 08/01/15 02:24 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

If this is your first grow why are you using an automated system with a bunch of fans and theoretical physics involved?  The pc case fan is probably whats drying your shit out.  We have a hefty handful of fruiting chamber ideas that work way better and are 100% passive.


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Re: First timer, SW PE. [Re: Inocuole]
    #22028841 - 08/01/15 02:41 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

This is all from TCs on this site, RR even said that if you dont have an impellar type humidifier perlite can help and it does. The fan is very weak, just enough to get the damp air at the bottom moving up. Really everything is pretty stable. Here is a pic of a tub in the same martha, maybe the casing layer is the differnce, i dont know, but it does not appear to be dry at all and it a foot away from the other.



Really, everything looks like the earlier pic, just that one area looked dry, even other areas of the same tub were damp.


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Re: First timer, SW PE. [Re: Inocuole]
    #22028861 - 08/01/15 02:45 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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If this is your first grow why are you using an automated system with a bunch of fans and theoretical physics involved?  The pc case fan is probably whats drying your shit out.  We have a hefty handful of fruiting chamber ideas that work way better and are 100% passive.



Because i felt i could, great thing about being free to learn and grow in our own way. Its working, one bad pic of a dry area and everyone thinks your failing. I see a very even pinset with lots of pins and primordia. I see water droplets on all my tubs, one was drying out a bit on the edge, opps, thanks for noticing but still, my system works and uses a lot less space then a bunch of tubs. I have 9 more tubs about to spawn and a dozen cakes.


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Re: First timer, SW PE. [Re: lbot1983]
    #22028874 - 08/01/15 02:48 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

We're just trying to help :shrug:


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Re: First timer, SW PE. [Re: taGyo] * 1
    #22028899 - 08/01/15 02:53 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Someone got butthurt pretty fast. You ask us for our opinions/advice, then get butthurt when we give it to you.


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Re: First timer, SW PE. [Re: Buck513]
    #22028912 - 08/01/15 02:56 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Someone got butthurt pretty fast. You ask us for our opinions/advice, then get butthurt when we give it to you.




Seriously, we were all being pretty helpful.  If you're going to be a dick you can just wallow in your failure. :shrug:  No skin off my back.  I asked a pretty legitimate question and gave good reasoning to why I was asking it.  People who act this way don't last long here.


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Re: First timer, SW PE. [Re: Inocuole] * 2
    #22028937 - 08/01/15 03:03 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

how can a martha take up less space than a bunch of stacked tubs?

meh nevermind you dont wanna hear it anyway..

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Re: First timer, SW PE. [Re: spacechildo]
    #22029074 - 08/01/15 03:31 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Really? Where was i a dick? Im so lost as to how i became a dick. I said everything else looks ok, i said my perlite idea came from a post by rr. I never said anything rude to anyone. I never said anyone was wrong or stupid. I said thanks for the help, the advise, for everything. I said id mist more. The worst i did was say im not gonna mess with the US, Id go out and get ab impeller type to add.

There is nothing rude in my post, nothing dick headed. I sure hope your not taking the "because i could" as a dick post then your taking it wrong and im sorry for that.

Lets try and be adults and not assume anything. I am not a dick for honestly answering a question.


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Re: First timer, SW PE. [Re: lbot1983]
    #22029086 - 08/01/15 03:34 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Okay well I might've thought you were being a dick because I misread "thanks for noticing" as "thanks for nothing".  :shrug: Whoops on my part.

Still, just trying to tell you that there are easier ways that are potentially more effective and require way less effort.  It's easier to learn when all of your conditions aren't directly associated with the capacity at which 3-4 different machines operate.

Also we all reacted that way because that picture you posted wasn't just dry for 5-10 minutes, it showed signs of having been dry the entire time those pins were forming, and it shows on the pins.


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Re: First timer, SW PE. [Re: Inocuole]
    #22029167 - 08/01/15 03:55 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Re: First timer, SW PE. [Re: Inocuole]
    #22029191 - 08/01/15 04:01 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I appreciate the help, ill make sure to keep a much more watchful eye on things and get to town for the impeller type asap. Until then ill mist when needed, im almost always home (disabled vet).

Honestly in the end i have treated that cake as a tub but i removed it from the tub so its like a big cake. Thats why it got dry, atleast my guess. Noob mistake i did not think about until trying to figure out why it is more dry then the tubs...DOH! Greatful for noticing what i did not, honestly.


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Re: First timer, SW PE. [Re: lbot1983]
    #22029241 - 08/01/15 04:09 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Well the thing is, it doesn't matter what kind of setup you have as long as it gets enough FAE and it doesn't dry out.  You can get good results in open air if you keep misting enough.  So, while you're dialing in, always prioritize FAE, but also make sure you're not directly blowing air at it, because that dries stuff out.  Overmisting is a potential issue but if you always dial it with high FAE then it shouldn't become a problem.  In my opinion the extra FAE is always worth having to mist now and again.

The reason I'd suggest starting simpler is because if you start with a simple understanding, the things you can make out of it can grow quite complex.  If you start with a needlessly complex understanding, then you'll pretty much be stuck with whatever you figure out that actually works because you'll feel obligated to use that method, due to having spent weeks or months dialing it in.


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