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Makle
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Brf cakes without pressure cooker success rate
#22002666 - 07/27/15 02:07 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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So I'm extremely new to shroom cultivation, and I was wondering what the average success rate of not using a pressure cooker for germination of cakes?
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koraks
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Re: Brf cakes without pressure cooker success rate [Re: Makle]
#22002681 - 07/27/15 02:14 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Germination rates aren't lower than with pressure cookers. However, steam sterilization does result in vastly higher contamination rates, although some people appear to do quite well with it.
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Re: Brf cakes without pressure cooker success rate [Re: koraks] 1
#22002725 - 07/27/15 02:34 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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get a cooker man. save yourself the headache...
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Re: Brf cakes without pressure cooker success rate [Re: 404]
#22002730 - 07/27/15 02:38 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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No one can give you an answer. It's not as if a pressure cooker is the make or break for success. There are a ton of factors that could lead to contamination.
Get the pressure cooker. Buy a small one that can only handle 4-5 jars at a time if you must, won't be expensive at all, especially at a thrift shop. It will go leaps and bounds to cut out possible contamination risks.
Look at this way, 20 bucks now for a pressure cooker, or weeks (not to mention materials wasted) of time wasted to learn you've failed. You'll save by buying the pressure cooker.
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Re: Brf cakes without pressure cooker success rate [Re: Shroomslip]
#22002783 - 07/27/15 03:17 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Your PC is your main tool, good luck with out it it's not possible
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Re: Brf cakes without pressure cooker success rate [Re: Laughingcowwa]
#22002854 - 07/27/15 04:10 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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It is possible without a PC. The results are just not very good. It's more or less a crap shoot.
If you don't want to get a PC, Prepare at least 3x what you plan to be able to harvest. Because 2/3rds are going to contaminate before you ever reach the fruiting stage.
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With my face against the floor I can’t see who knocked me out of the way. I don’t want to get back up but I have to so it might as well be today. Nothing appeals to me no one feels like me, I’m too busy being calm to disappear. I’m in no shape to be alone contrary to the shit that you might hear. You can't wake up, this is not a dream. You're part of a machine, you are not a human being With your face all made up, living on a screen. Low on self esteem, so you run on gasoline
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Re: Brf cakes without pressure cooker success rate (moved) [Re: Makle]
#22002860 - 07/27/15 04:20 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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This thread was moved from The Pub.
Reason: There ya go
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Re: Brf cakes without pressure cooker success rate [Re: Makle]
#22002861 - 07/27/15 04:22 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Makle said: So I'm extremely new to shroom cultivation, and I was wondering what the average success rate of not using a pressure cooker for germination of cakes?
100 percent
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Re: Brf cakes without pressure cooker success rate [Re: Shroomslip]
#22002865 - 07/27/15 04:25 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Makle said: So I'm extremely new to shroom cultivation, and I was wondering what the average success rate of not using a pressure cooker for germination of cakes?
Well, since most PF Teks call for steam sterilization, and not PCing, I'd say your chances are extremely good.
You do not need a PC for BRF cakes....you will not see any added success when compared to steam sterilization.
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Shroomslip said: It is possible without a PC. The results are just not very good.
Says who?
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Re: Brf cakes without pressure cooker success rate [Re: Shroomslip]
#22002869 - 07/27/15 04:29 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Shroomslip said: If you don't want to get a PC, Prepare at least 3x what you plan to be able to harvest. Because 2/3rds are going to contaminate before you ever reach the fruiting stage.
Spoken like an amateur who has not grown enough to give solid advice.
Steam sterilizing cakes for 90 minutes works just fine.
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Re: Brf cakes without pressure cooker success rate [Re: PussyFart]
#22002870 - 07/27/15 04:31 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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PussyFart said:
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Shroomslip said: If you don't want to get a PC, Prepare at least 3x what you plan to be able to harvest. Because 2/3rds are going to contaminate before you ever reach the fruiting stage.
Spoken like an amateur who has not grown enough to give solid advice.
Steam sterilizing cakes for 90 minutes works just fine.
Yeah that happens when ya ask the pub for advise lol
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Re: Brf cakes without pressure cooker success rate [Re: PussyFart]
#22002871 - 07/27/15 04:33 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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My experience but feel free to correct me. I don't have a lot under my belt. Any time I didn't PC, failure rates were high despite using the same methodology and sterile technique for those with the PC (in which I basically had 100% success rate).Quote:
PussyFart said:
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Shroomslip said: If you don't want to get a PC, Prepare at least 3x what you plan to be able to harvest. Because 2/3rds are going to contaminate before you ever reach the fruiting stage.
Spoken like an amateur who has not grown enough to give solid advice.
Steam sterilizing cakes for 90 minutes works just fine.
That would be why I don't hang out here anymore (thread was originally in pub). Gave my advice on my experiences.
If he'd posted here it to begin with, you'd never see me commenting to begin with.
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Re: Brf cakes without pressure cooker success rate [Re: PussyFart]
#22002873 - 07/27/15 04:34 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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on my first grow I used tyndallization and it worked fine.. only requires 3x effort because you need 3 days to do it
if you can, go with steam
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cronicr
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Re: Brf cakes without pressure cooker success rate [Re: Brown Buffalo]
#22002875 - 07/27/15 04:35 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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No need to feel bad...not your area
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Re: Brf cakes without pressure cooker success rate [Re: cronicr]
#22002923 - 07/27/15 05:25 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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If you have a PC, you shouldn't bother with PF/BRF cakes.
There are so many grain preps that are soooo easy, like fooman's wbs, inocule's oats, etc. Bulk substrate prep, pouring boiling water in a bucket.
PF tek is the tek to use with no PC. I wouldn't have even purchased my PC and started with grains if every PF tek guide I read hadn't been written by hypochondriacs who said a PC was basically mandatory or failed to mention steaming.
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Re: Brf cakes without pressure cooker success rate [Re: Makle]
#22003533 - 07/27/15 09:22 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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I was able to harvest 8/12 cakes I prepped on my first grow. 1/2 pints, steamed for 90min.
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Re: Brf cakes without pressure cooker success rate [Re: psilobob]
#22003718 - 07/27/15 10:11 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Buy a cooker its the best and easiest
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Re: Brf cakes without pressure cooker success rate [Re: Makle]
#22003755 - 07/27/15 10:17 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Personally, when I started out with brf cakes, I didn't own a pc and had 100% success with them. As long as you follow the tek to a T, you should be perfectly fine. PCs are vital for grains.
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Re: Brf cakes without pressure cooker success rate [Re: Makle]
#22003842 - 07/27/15 10:41 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Edited by Mandarinfish (07/15/20 10:48 PM)
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