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2 monotub questions/concerns: problems stuffing polyfill AFTER colonization & water underneath liner
    #21702835 - 05/20/15 03:51 PM (8 years, 10 months ago)

Just threw my tub into fruiting conditions after pins started to appear.
I've opted to go uncased this round after extensive reading on the debate.

Things are looking really good and I'm  really thankful to everyone here. I'm truly standing on the shoulders of giants with this undertaking.

Now, here are my current questions and I truly hope these will help someone else down the road.

1. Regarding the polyfill:
So with the bottom 4 holes, I find that after cramming the poly to desired tightness, I need to use scissors to trim it back inside the tub. Otherwise it's a big mess, taking up room in the tub and probably interfering with fruiting around those areas.

In the process of reaching in and adjusting the poly, cutting, etc. I couldn't avoid disturbing the colonized substrate a few times.
Also and probably more annoying is that the polyfill sheds onto the substrate around the holes and there's no way to remove the tiny threads without causing further damage....
These problems are only with the bottom holes. The top two are simple and mess-free due to how loose they're stuffed.

I'm interested in hearing opinions on this but I think that next time I'll either:

A. Stuff the bottom holes before spawning and use a transparent cover for the tub. Or...

B. Use the ironed poyfill squares from this tek:
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/20115107
No mess, no room taken up in the tub, and to boot you don't even have to take the lid off when applying them.


2. My next concern is regarding the continued water condensation that continues to drip down the sides, going underneath the liner inside my monotub.
I'm concerned this water could turn into a gnarly home for mildew or bacteria if left to sit. Am I wrong in being worried about this?


I'm considering gently poking a couple of holes on the bottom of the tub to let it drain. The only problem I see with doing this is that I'd be taking away a source of humidity.

Thoughts?

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Re: 2 monotub questions/concerns: problems stuffing polyfill AFTER colonization & water underneath liner [Re: lutherarkwright93]
    #21702868 - 05/20/15 03:58 PM (8 years, 10 months ago)

1 yes, try different polyfill.
2 running under your liner? Tape your liner to the tub.


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Re: 2 monotub questions/concerns: problems stuffing polyfill AFTER colonization & water underneath liner [Re: Matt87]
    #21702878 - 05/20/15 04:01 PM (8 years, 10 months ago)

Don't tape your liner.


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Re: 2 monotub questions/concerns: problems stuffing polyfill AFTER colonization & water underneath liner [Re: Buck513]
    #21702894 - 05/20/15 04:04 PM (8 years, 10 months ago)

Ohhh snap! What's your reasoning behind this?


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Re: 2 monotub questions/concerns: problems stuffing polyfill AFTER colonization & water underneath liner [Re: Matt87]
    #21702905 - 05/20/15 04:07 PM (8 years, 10 months ago)

Because when subs colonize and eventually fruit, the substrate shrinks. Taping liners is counterproductive. Only time I have tape on my liners is when I'm spawning to bulk, just cause it makes it easier.
A nice smooth surface is also key

Often times I have small pools of water beneath my liner when I'm done with a tub. Having the water pool on top of the substrate is what would cause contam not pooling beneath the liner


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Re: 2 monotub questions/concerns: problems stuffing polyfill AFTER colonization & water underneath liner [Re: Buck513]
    #21702972 - 05/20/15 04:29 PM (8 years, 10 months ago)

:whathesaid:

If its going to pool, you want it to be under the liner, between liner and tub


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Re: 2 monotub questions/concerns: problems stuffing polyfill AFTER colonization & water underneath liner [Re: mushpunx]
    #21703482 - 05/20/15 06:34 PM (8 years, 10 months ago)

I've found 3 distinct "varieties" of poly fill. Coarser or finer texture, and varying elasticity. They all stuff holes differently...

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Re: 2 monotub questions/concerns: problems stuffing polyfill AFTER colonization & water underneath liner [Re: Buck513]
    #21705094 - 05/21/15 02:19 AM (8 years, 10 months ago)

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I've found 3 distinct "varieties" of poly fill. Coarser or finer texture, and varying elasticity. They all stuff holes differently...




What's your favorite then?
I'm sure a lot of us new growers are surprised by the huge variety of polyfill available once you go looking for it at a place like walmart. Most of the teks I read don't specify which variety is ideal.
Stuffing the lid holes was a fucking task and a half with the stuff we got.

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Often times I have small pools of water beneath my liner when I'm done with a tub. Having the water pool on top of the substrate is what would cause contam not pooling beneath the liner





So you don't find the water creates any mildew or other funk? That's my main concern here.

Any warnings against drilling a drainage hole? I don't wanna lose moisture but I'd rather mist new clean water than have brackish water sitting in the tub....

And thanks for the interest and help everyone.

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Re: 2 monotub questions/concerns: problems stuffing polyfill AFTER colonization & water underneath liner [Re: lutherarkwright93]
    #21705107 - 05/21/15 02:34 AM (8 years, 10 months ago)

i have my first 5 monos colonizing now.
i have 3 with liners, and 2 without... just wanted to see if i prefer to mess with side pinning, or the liners.  i did not like the liners so much.  and i like to eat little mushrooms. :laugh:

but, if i were you, and i could very well be in a couple weeks regarding this situation, i would not drill holes, or anything.

seems to me, many many people use liners, and the monos form condensation, and it drips down. that's the nature of the monotub.
not to mention, it should be pretty clean under your liner.  you washed it right? i used 99% iso alcohol on mine.  gonna be hard for spores to get under your substrate liner, imo.


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Re: 2 monotub questions/concerns: problems stuffing polyfill AFTER colonization & water underneath liner [Re: lovegivingchi]
    #21705144 - 05/21/15 03:13 AM (8 years, 10 months ago)

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I've found 3 distinct "varieties" of poly fill. Coarser or finer texture, and varying elasticity. They all stuff holes differently...




I've come across natural (not made from recycled materials),synthetic blends (usually in pillows), and one made from all recycled materials. I personally like to use recycled on my mono tubs and the natural or blends where I Just need ge. In the end they all work the same,  but can be a little more difficult to work with in different situations I guess.

As far as holes in tubs,I put two little holes in a corner because I have had issues when I had to be away.  I live in a house just over 3000sq ft and it regularly gets over 110 here a good amount of the year. I just tape up the holes and if I have any excessive build ups tip the tub and drain.  I've hardly had to do it,  but did have a few losses where I had to leave out of state, and couldn't justify paying to keep the two AC's running enough to keep every room cool. I used the little guy in the picture to make the holes.  I just want to add that I only have issues with pooling if it gets really warm (almost 90+) causing excessive evaporation and can't say 100% that the losses we're caused by pooled water.I just sleep better 7 months of the year having them there.




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Re: 2 monotub questions/concerns: problems stuffing polyfill AFTER colonization & water underneath liner [Re: Apps]
    #21705157 - 05/21/15 03:25 AM (8 years, 10 months ago)

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not to mention, it should be pretty clean under your liner.  you washed it right? i used 99% iso alcohol on mine.  gonna be hard for spores to get under your substrate liner, imo.





I was quite careful, though one cannot be careful enough I suppose.

Water that makes its way under the liner has first evaporated from the sub, condensed onto the top/sides and then trickled down the walls to pool beneath the liner. By this time it will inevitably have picked up some things along the way, and it's impossible to prevent spores or other germs from having made their way into your tub. It's part of the deal with a monotub or any environment that isn't contained in a completely sterile environment.

It's definitely cleaner in there than any other place in the house, but still spores and germs are EVERYWHERE on EVERYTHING.
Not that I'm a hypochondriac.

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As far as holes in tubs,I put two little holes in a corner because I have had issues when I had to be away.  I live in a house just over 3000sq ft and it regularly gets over 110 here a good amount of the year. I just tape up the holes and if I have any excessive build ups tip the tub and drain.  I've hardly had to do it,  but did have a few losses where I had to leave out of state, and couldn't justify paying to keep the two AC's running enough to keep every room cool. I used the little guy in the picture to make the holes.  I just want to add that I only have issues with pooling if it gets really warm (almost 90+) causing excessive evaporation and can't say 100% that the losses we're caused by pooled water.I just sleep better 7 months of the year having them there.






I'm in a hot dry climate myself, tho the temps are currently lower than normal for this time of year. I've been using a turkey thermometer stabbed through the duct tape covering one of my bottom holes, plunging into the sub, and it's been reading between 70-77f for the past two weeks.

If I can put a hole in a corner without poking through the liner, I might do what you suggest.

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Re: 2 monotub questions/concerns: problems stuffing polyfill AFTER colonization & water underneath liner [Re: lutherarkwright93]
    #21705952 - 05/21/15 11:08 AM (8 years, 10 months ago)

Water doesn't randomly start growing mold:facepalm:
Its fine to have water beneath the liner


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Re: 2 monotub questions/concerns: problems stuffing polyfill AFTER colonization & water underneath liner [Re: Buck513]
    #21706211 - 05/21/15 12:32 PM (8 years, 10 months ago)

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Water doesn't randomly start growing mold:facepalm:
Its fine to have water beneath the liner




It's a much better breeding ground that just a pasturized sub though.


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Re: 2 monotub questions/concerns: problems stuffing polyfill AFTER colonization & water underneath liner [Re: Apps]
    #21706527 - 05/21/15 02:03 PM (8 years, 10 months ago)

I've had water outside the liner on all my tubs (which, admittedly, isn't too many, but I'm still batting a thousand.)  I haven't had any of them contaminate on me due to the pooling.  When I'm done, I pull the liner out and throw things away, dump the water, and clean out the tub.  Easy as that.  No issues.


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Re: 2 monotub questions/concerns: problems stuffing polyfill AFTER colonization & water underneath liner [Re: Apps]
    #21706843 - 05/21/15 03:26 PM (8 years, 10 months ago)

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Water doesn't randomly start growing mold:facepalm:
Its fine to have water beneath the liner




It's a much better breeding ground that just a pasturized sub though.



:lolwut:

Are you saying its better to let water pool on top of your sub?


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Re: 2 monotub questions/concerns: problems stuffing polyfill AFTER colonization & water underneath liner [Re: Buck513]
    #21706891 - 05/21/15 03:39 PM (8 years, 10 months ago)

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Water doesn't randomly start growing mold:facepalm:
Its fine to have water beneath the liner




It's a much better breeding ground that just a pasturized sub though.



:lolwut:

Are you saying its better to let water pool on top of your sub?




I think what he's saying is that: While most substrates (coir and verm, mainly) being used for monotub grows are pretty resistant to contaminants....

....old water possibly with traces of grain and other funk (dust (skin) which will inevitably settle in your tub) and is resting in an ANAEROBIC environment at sandwiched between layers of plastic, COULD potentially play a decent host for some sort of growth. More so than the average pasteurized sub at least.



That beiing said, I'm glad to hear from growers that have never encountered problems relating to the water pools beneath their liners.

I'll report back once I pull my sub out as to whether there was any funkiness or mildew.



Anyone wanna give up what their favorite brand of polyfill is? Like name and type?

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Re: 2 monotub questions/concerns: problems stuffing polyfill AFTER colonization & water underneath liner [Re: CliftonGK1]
    #21706901 - 05/21/15 03:44 PM (8 years, 10 months ago)

It's going to grow regardless if all the conditions are right. I always get some standing water, and I only have holes to drain water on my mini monos. My personal situation wasnt a small amount of water that occurred under normal conditions.  Most of the water seemed to be evaporating out of the sub and ending up under the liner. I've only drained tubs a handful of times and the sub needed a good misting at that point anyways.  As for any other situation :shrug:. Some people just like peace of mind.


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Re: 2 monotub questions/concerns: problems stuffing polyfill AFTER colonization & water underneath liner [Re: lutherarkwright93]
    #21709331 - 05/22/15 06:47 AM (8 years, 10 months ago)

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Anyone wanna give up what their favorite brand of polyfill is? Like name and type?




I use Fairfield Poly-Fil(tm) purchased from Michaels craft store.  A 20oz bag was something like $8.00.
Not the Poly-Fil Quilt Batting, though.  This is the one with pictures of pillows and stuffed animals on the package. 

It's a short fiber batting that pulls apart really easily, but I find makes for great FAE.  I pull a palm sized wad from the bag, gently tug it into a sheet about the size of my open hand, then fold it in half, then fold that in half again before lightly rolling it between my palms.  It holds shape really well and doesn't pouf very far into the tub once placed in the air exchange holes.


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