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 looking good? a few grain bags and a popcorn bag. PICS UPDATE 
#21658180 - 05/09/15 05:12 PM (8 years, 11 months ago) |
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the two pics on the bottom are of the same bag. this is the only bag that is not showing growth. other than that, shits looking good.
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Edited by Growth (05/19/15 01:33 PM)
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Re: looking good? a few grain bags and a popcorn bag. PICS [Re: Growth]
#21658514 - 05/09/15 06:40 PM (8 years, 11 months ago) |
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They look fine
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Re: looking good? a few grain bags and a popcorn bag. PICS [Re: PirateSwazey]
#21658523 - 05/09/15 06:42 PM (8 years, 11 months ago) |
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They look fine
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Re: looking good? a few grain bags and a popcorn bag. PICS [Re: Mad Season]
#21658536 - 05/09/15 06:45 PM (8 years, 11 months ago) |
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Looks to me like they should be broken up and mixed around to spread all that growth throughout the bag and dramatically accelerate colonization.
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Re: looking good? a few grain bags and a popcorn bag. PICS [Re: KauaiOrca]
#21658758 - 05/09/15 07:50 PM (8 years, 11 months ago) |
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I was going to give it maybe another week before I mix it up.
What do you think the deal is with that last bag?
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Re: looking good? a few grain bags and a popcorn bag. PICS [Re: Growth]
#21658774 - 05/09/15 07:56 PM (8 years, 11 months ago) |
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I would definitely shake the top 3 bags now. Colonization will speed up dramatically.
The bottom bag has two really different looking pictures. The one with your thumb in the picture looks like there's no growth at all but the picture just above that looks like there's white mycelium virtually all over it. Maybe it's the camera???
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Re: looking good? a few grain bags and a popcorn bag. PICS [Re: KauaiOrca]
#21658879 - 05/09/15 08:28 PM (8 years, 11 months ago) |
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That last bag, I dunno man. While the rest look good, that one is making me feel a bit weird. When I see that, it tends to be bacteria in my grows. Hopefully it doesn't turn out to be bacteria.
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Re: looking good? a few grain bags and a popcorn bag. PICS [Re: Stargate]
#21658895 - 05/09/15 08:32 PM (8 years, 11 months ago) |
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Are you using spore syringes to get them started?
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Re: looking good? a few grain bags and a popcorn bag. PICS [Re: Stargate]
#21659058 - 05/09/15 09:16 PM (8 years, 11 months ago) |
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Stargate said:
That last bag, I dunno man. While the rest look good, that one is making me feel a bit weird. When I see that, it tends to be bacteria in my grows. Hopefully it doesn't turn out to be bacteria.
The condensation is normal in bags, I see no signs of bacteria there 
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Growth
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Re: looking good? a few grain bags and a popcorn bag. PICS [Re: PirateSwazey]
#21659324 - 05/09/15 10:34 PM (8 years, 11 months ago) |
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KauaiOrca said:
The bottom bag has two really different looking pictures. The one with your thumb in the picture looks like there's no growth at all but the picture just above that looks like there's white mycelium virtually all over it. Maybe it's the camera???
the last 2 pics are of the same bag, but are of the front then the back. it might be the camera because when inspecting them up close i did not see any sort of growth, good or bad.
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That last bag, I dunno man. While the rest look good, that one is making me feel a bit weird. When I see that, it tends to be bacteria in my grows. Hopefully it doesn't turn out to be bacteria.
the only thing going on in that last bag is the moisture. i know some moisture is okay, but excessive moisture could be a problem. best i can do now is to just keep an eye on it and look for any sort of discoloration.
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KauaiOrca said:
Are you using spore syringes to get them started?
unfortunately, it was a MS syringe of the puerto rican kind.
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Stargate said:
That last bag, I dunno man. While the rest look good, that one is making me feel a bit weird. When I see that, it tends to be bacteria in my grows. Hopefully it doesn't turn out to be bacteria.
The condensation is normal in bags, I see no signs of bacteria there
lets hope there is no bacteria. in a bit ill start a grow log and then drop a link here.
thanks for all the input.
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Re: looking good? a few grain bags and a popcorn bag. PICS [Re: Growth]
#21659351 - 05/09/15 10:41 PM (8 years, 11 months ago) |
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There's no bacteria at the moment. Let's hope the mycelium wins!
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Re: looking good? a few grain bags and a popcorn bag. PICS [Re: Mad Season]
#21659401 - 05/09/15 10:58 PM (8 years, 11 months ago) |
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Mad season like the vendor mad season? If so, what happen? I loved your wbs bags. Not once did I ever have a prob with them.
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Re: looking good? a few grain bags and a popcorn bag. PICS [Re: Growth]
#21659430 - 05/09/15 11:06 PM (8 years, 11 months ago) |
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Haha nah. I'm just a fan of the 95 band mad season. Only had 1 album and it's pretty much psychedelic grunge. It also has a lot of big wigs too :P
Edited by Mad Season (05/09/15 11:10 PM)
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Re: looking good? a few grain bags and a popcorn bag. PICS [Re: PirateSwazey]
#21659809 - 05/10/15 01:32 AM (8 years, 11 months ago) |
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Quote:
PirateSwazey said:
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Stargate said:
That last bag, I dunno man. While the rest look good, that one is making me feel a bit weird. When I see that, it tends to be bacteria in my grows. Hopefully it doesn't turn out to be bacteria.
The condensation is normal in bags, I see no signs of bacteria there
Yeah, I don't see any actual signs of bacteria yet in the pic either. Its just that when I'm running my jars and bags, when I see one practically not colonizing at all while others are, they tend to become bacteria colonies. Do you not experience that? My isolates tend to colonize all my jars at nearly the same rates.
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Re: looking good? a few grain bags and a popcorn bag. PICS [Re: Stargate]
#21660197 - 05/10/15 06:38 AM (8 years, 11 months ago) |
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No sir, I do not! If I put inoculant in a bag or jar, it will colonize 
Since he used multispore it isn't a big surprise that there is no growth though.
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Re: looking good? a few grain bags and a popcorn bag. PICS [Re: PirateSwazey]
#21660247 - 05/10/15 07:13 AM (8 years, 11 months ago) |
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Did you sterilize grain and popcorn? How much water inserted?
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Growth
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Re: looking good? a few grain bags and a popcorn bag. PICS [Re: TetaPehta]
#21670176 - 05/12/15 02:17 PM (8 years, 11 months ago) |
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i broke up all the bags today and will check on them again in a week.
that one bag in question still has no growth. should i just toss it now? could it infect the other bags?
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Re: looking good? a few grain bags and a popcorn bag. PICS [Re: Growth]
#21670185 - 05/12/15 02:22 PM (8 years, 11 months ago) |
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No and no unless it has nasties on it.
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Growth
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Re: looking good? a few grain bags and a popcorn bag. PICS [Re: Mad Season]
#21698407 - 05/19/15 01:21 PM (8 years, 10 months ago) |
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front and back of each bag...
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Re: looking good? a few grain bags and a popcorn bag. PICS [Re: Growth]
#21698444 - 05/19/15 01:31 PM (8 years, 10 months ago) |
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1 bacterial toss
2 contaminated toss
3 bacterial toss
4 bacterial, if it was mine I'd toss
5 bacterial, could maybe colonize it. But I'd put it into isolation if I was aiming for that.
6 can't tell if it's bacterial or not. Pretty sure it is.
I think something needs to be worked on somewhere. I've never used popcorn so I can't say anything about the grain of choice but a quick search says it's a bad grain. Also don't really like using bags for spawn. I know lots of people do, but I'm a jar man. I pc for 2 hours and sometimes I've seen bags melt but I've never seen jars break
Edited by Mad Season (05/19/15 01:33 PM)
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Re: looking good? a few grain bags and a popcorn bag. PICS [Re: Mad Season]
#21698467 - 05/19/15 01:38 PM (8 years, 10 months ago) |
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What makes you so sure that they are bad and need to be tossed? They looked fine to me...
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Re: looking good? a few grain bags and a popcorn bag. PICS [Re: Growth]
#21698508 - 05/19/15 01:49 PM (8 years, 10 months ago) |
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Glad you asked!
First bag:
 the murky slimy wet spot is bacteria.
2nd bag:
 that isn't cube mycelium.
3rd bag it's very thin, wispy and wet looking. Wet indicates bacteria.
4th bag:
 quite wet and slimy in the corners
5th bag:
 all wet looking too, with metabolites to fight off invaders. Cottage cheese look too.
6th bag I'm still unsure.
I wish you luck  every grower has experienced it. You should see what my contamination pile looks like.. hope this helps.
Edited by Mad Season (05/19/15 02:03 PM)
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Growth
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Re: looking good? a few grain bags and a popcorn bag. PICS [Re: Mad Season]
#21699198 - 05/19/15 05:04 PM (8 years, 10 months ago) |
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I value every ones input, but I would like to hear from others... I have used bags in the past and these resemble all my bags from the past.
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Re: looking good? a few grain bags and a popcorn bag. PICS [Re: Growth]
#21700267 - 05/19/15 09:48 PM (8 years, 10 months ago) |
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Sorry man, but I've got to agree with the bacteria theory on these bags. I got the bacteria feeling the last time I posted on this thread, and this time it just seems more obvious.
Go ahead and open bag #1 in a SAB if that makes you feel any better. Take a good whiff. Just try not to puke from the smell.
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Re: looking good? a few grain bags and a popcorn bag. PICS [Re: Stargate]
#21700892 - 05/20/15 01:30 AM (8 years, 10 months ago) |
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IMO
Bag 6 looks good still.
But I'm a noob. 
Good luck though. And thanks mad season for pointing out the things to look for. Much appreciated.
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Re: looking good? a few grain bags and a popcorn bag. PICS [Re: Macaman]
#21701671 - 05/20/15 09:02 AM (8 years, 10 months ago) |
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All of those bags are contaminated.
OP probably needs to up sterilization times... For bags I do 2.5 hrs!
Also when drying a lot of grains at a time it helps to stick a fan under them
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Growth
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Re: looking good? a few grain bags and a popcorn bag. PICS [Re: PirateSwazey]
#21703260 - 05/20/15 05:34 PM (8 years, 10 months ago) |
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I got the bags from outgrow... This was actually a replacement order.
I've grown mush for years and I've never had this problem. I'm using the same damn procedure I used years ago. The only thing that's changed is the vendor for bags...
This is some god damn bullshit.
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Re: looking good? a few grain bags and a popcorn bag. PICS [Re: Growth]
#21703281 - 05/20/15 05:40 PM (8 years, 10 months ago) |
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Dude don't blame ya. I think you should start prepping your own grains and what not. I find whole oats are the bomb and are really user friendly. They don't go bacterial anywhere near as much, from what I've seen. Start pressure cooking for minimum 2 hours to kill bacterial endospores.
Shitty it all happened bro, I know almost all of us can feel your pain :/. This is one of the many reasons why I've always tried to have new projects every week..
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Re: looking good? a few grain bags and a popcorn bag. PICS [Re: Growth]
#21703372 - 05/20/15 06:07 PM (8 years, 10 months ago) |
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front and back of each bag...
This bag is contaminated with green mold, or trich. It is already changing colors.
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Growth
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Re: looking good? a few grain bags and a popcorn bag. PICS [Re: Sockadin]
#21703630 - 05/20/15 07:12 PM (8 years, 10 months ago) |
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Yeah, I'm gonna disagree with everyone. The bags are good. Their going to be fine. I shall produce some of the best mush this world has seen.
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Re: looking good? a few grain bags and a popcorn bag. PICS [Re: Growth]
#21703716 - 05/20/15 07:25 PM (8 years, 10 months ago) |
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Do what you want good sir  . I definitely think you should toss #2 though or it can cause you some problems. Less molds in your grow area is better.
I think you should make some new projects in the mean time so when you eventually toss these you'll have more stuff going on. That's my advice. Good luck!
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Re: looking good? a few grain bags and a popcorn bag. PICS [Re: Mad Season]
#21704200 - 05/20/15 09:07 PM (8 years, 10 months ago) |
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Its prob hard to determine, but do you think the contams are from poorly made bags?
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Re: looking good? a few grain bags and a popcorn bag. PICS [Re: Growth]
#21704225 - 05/20/15 09:14 PM (8 years, 10 months ago) |
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In my experience bacteria was from poorly prepared grains (starchy and wet) cobbled with not enough time in the pc. I don't use bags but with jars they say 90 minutes at 15 psi minimum. I think the minimum should be changed to 2 hours.
A large amount of contaminations could also be from a bad syringe. Inoculation with syringes is pretty risky, which is why I only inoculate jars with clean agar wedges inside a still air box. That way I always have a clean inoculant.
If you can do both those things your spawn success rates should be 99%.
Edited by Mad Season (05/20/15 09:14 PM)
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Re: looking good? a few grain bags and a popcorn bag. PICS [Re: Mad Season]
#21704613 - 05/20/15 10:48 PM (8 years, 10 months ago) |
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I've only been doing my jars for 60 min at 15 psi. But after reading this... I'm kicking it up to 120 min.
And once I can get the materials for agar plates, that's the new route for me. Good luck on the bags my friend. I hope you can save them.
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Re: looking good? a few grain bags and a popcorn bag. PICS [Re: Macaman]
#21705738 - 05/21/15 09:52 AM (8 years, 10 months ago) |
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whos gonna let me borrow their PC?
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Re: looking good? a few grain bags and a popcorn bag. PICS [Re: Growth]
#21705782 - 05/21/15 10:12 AM (8 years, 10 months ago) |
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whos gonna let me borrow their PC?
Just keep your eye on craigslist, for an All American Pressure Cooker. You can get them dirt cheap on craigslist sometimes. I got one for $40 on there, and it holds 10 quart jars at once.
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Re: looking good? a few grain bags and a popcorn bag. PICS [Re: Stargate]
#21706191 - 05/21/15 12:24 PM (8 years, 10 months ago) |
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here are better shots of the bag.
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/21706174/vc/1#21706174
it might just be denial, but im not seeing a contam...
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