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black stems on otherwise healthy fruit?
    #21631372 - 05/03/15 07:00 PM (8 years, 10 months ago)

Hey all. first time grower here. Spawned 5/10 wbs jars to bulk (other 5 had contams, even though I was so careful!) To bulk coir, and they immediately started to pin. I got a few quick fruits that came out to just under 50g wet, and me and my boyfriend had a great trip Friday night. however, I'm not getting any more pins (I have had 5 decent sized shrooms total) and more importantly, my stem on my last big fruit has turned a weird black/brown color. I don't have this posted in contams because it didn't happen til I ran the desk fan I have installed into the side of my fruiting chamber for more than 10 minutes or so. I read evaporation helps the pins set, so I was trying to help the evaporation process. I haven't had any contams (that I know of) in my bulk substrate. my other fruits have been great. it definitely gets worse when I run the fan, nda seems like it actually might be a tad better when I stop running the fan.

Any ideas what this is? any idea why I stopped pinning? I don't have incredibly clear pics, my phone camera is terrible. hopefully it's somewhat clear!


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Re: black stems on otherwise healthy fruit? [Re: kimcredible]
    #21631389 - 05/03/15 07:05 PM (8 years, 10 months ago)

I've only grown once, and one of my pins did the same thing when it aborted, I'm pretty sure its just some hefty bruising, thats so blue it looks black. (They don't even bruise blue, I don't know why that's the color everyone calls it, it's definitely green to me...) Regardless, give it like 3 days and if you don't see any growth from it, then pull it.

After your first flush, how did you add moisture back into the coir?

EDIT: Just reread what you said, about the fan, the air movement might have bruised that little fellow, and a fan on your substrate is a bad idea from what I understand, you're drying out your substrate extremely fast by putting a direct air current on it. You don't want to do that, take a picture of your substrate, so we can see moisture content. Judging by your information though, your not getting any pins because your cake is too dry.


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Re: black stems on otherwise healthy fruit? [Re: Psychonautica]
    #21631402 - 05/03/15 07:09 PM (8 years, 10 months ago)

They bruise blue but since it's bruising over the yellowish stipe it may look green. Cut a stipe in half and it's blue.

But ya, what he said. It's just bruising

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Re: black stems on otherwise healthy fruit? [Re: PinPornProducer]
    #21631422 - 05/03/15 07:13 PM (8 years, 10 months ago)

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They bruise blue but since it's bruising over the yellowish stipe it may look green. Cut a stipe in half and it's blue.

But ya, what he said. It's just bruising




I know that they bruise "blue" but the first time I actually found cubes in the wild I didn't even get excited, my thoughts were literally "Oh it bruised green, that's probably dangerous and gross"

hahahah. That dark bluish green that they do bruise, is not an appetizing color to me.


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Re: black stems on otherwise healthy fruit? [Re: Psychonautica]
    #21631436 - 05/03/15 07:19 PM (8 years, 10 months ago)

Well I had bruising on other ones, this looks totally different. this is my first flush. and my substrate is very moist, I have 95% humidity in my fc and I mist 4-5 times a day.

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Re: black stems on otherwise healthy fruit? [Re: Psychonautica]
    #21631455 - 05/03/15 07:24 PM (8 years, 10 months ago)

Pic is pretty blurry, but I'm pretty sure you're fine. It looks like you're using a SGFC and you never want to use a fan with those. Bruising like that is a sign that your mushrooms and substrate are getting too dry, and IMO that could have contributed you your low yield. After you harvest, you should mist that tray like crazy, make sure your perlite is sufficiently moist, and make sure not to run the fan. You ought to get a really good second flush once everything is dialed in.

You're correct about evaporation off the surface being a pinning trigger, but the SGFC does a fine job of that on its own so running a fan is unnecessary. Just mist the sub until it is glistening with tiny water droplets and let the passive air currents do the rest.

You're on the right track and the shrooms you already got look just fine. Just treat that sub right and your subsequent flushes should be great :super:


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Re: black stems on otherwise healthy fruit? [Re: kimcredible]
    #21631466 - 05/03/15 07:26 PM (8 years, 10 months ago)

I can tell you, almost without a doubt though, that your substrate is probably not "very moist" maybe you're a strange exception, but every other post I've seen in my research to begin growing, that had a fan, or direct air current in their grow area, did not get any fruits, because it dried out super fast....

I don't have a fan on my grow, and it's all manure, and I still mist way more than 4-5 times a day, probably closer to 15-20 times a day. You even said it yourself that everything was fine until you put the fan in there, the only variable is clearly the fan! Maybe I'm wrong though, so wait for someone to concur with me who has seen it first hand instead of just read it somewhere.

I'm not sure if PinPorn agrees with me, about the substrate being to dry, or just about it bruising, but if he agrees with me about both, then listen to the man. He knows his shit.

I do know however though, that your "black" mark is bruising, and another thing I've noticed is pins and aborts bruise WAY darker than fully grown fruits, I've read that aborts are more potent, more potent = more psilocin to oxidize which means a darker bruise. I'm not sure if this is why exactly, aborts seem to bruise darker, but my aborts all seem to bruise pretty hardcore, compared to a normal fruit. Hope I helped at least a little bit! Best of luck!


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Re: black stems on otherwise healthy fruit? [Re: NumeroEno]
    #21631494 - 05/03/15 07:33 PM (8 years, 10 months ago)

Well, it's not really a sgfc. it's something we kinda designed ourselves, it has ne of those fishtank bubbler air things pumping moisture from a bulk (sterilized) ketchup bottle, and a heat lamp above a clear screen type lid. anyway, since you guys think it's all good, I'll just keep an eye and let you know how it turns out. thanks for the responses!

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Re: black stems on otherwise healthy fruit? [Re: kimcredible]
    #21631503 - 05/03/15 07:34 PM (8 years, 10 months ago)

I'll leave the fan off and see how that goes.

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Re: black stems on otherwise healthy fruit? [Re: kimcredible]
    #21631526 - 05/03/15 07:39 PM (8 years, 10 months ago)

Ooh, I maybe should have clarified. I've HAD the fan in there and it's been fine. I just ran the fan a little bit longer, that's why I wasn't sure if that would have made that big of a difference.

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Re: black stems on otherwise healthy fruit? [Re: kimcredible]
    #21631596 - 05/03/15 07:55 PM (8 years, 10 months ago)

Well I'm gonna be brutally honest with you -- constructing a proper SGFC is gonna be your best bet. Harvest your first flush, rehydrate your tray, and build a proper SGFC. It's probably not what you want to hear but it is the best advice I can give you :shrug:


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