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Re: President bans donations to Snowden [Re: rxb]
#21557006 - 04/16/15 08:20 PM (8 years, 11 months ago) |
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Doesn't matter what we watched. Cell phone conversations carry the same expectation of privacy as land line calls.
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Re: President bans donations to Snowden [Re: rxb]
#21557033 - 04/16/15 08:25 PM (8 years, 11 months ago) |
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Quote:
rxb said: well thats not what the snowden documentary stated.
he said that all cell phones can be recorded without need of a tapping permit.
also, if any records get transferedto any foreign country for any reason... they are recorded.
so say you email your friend in ohio.
and google backs up its servers to the uk...
your email is recorded and no court order is needed.
Of course, its naïve to think the govt is not recording everything possible with or without authorization. What did they build that massive data collection center in Utah for if they weren't planning to store petabytes of info and lots of them? There is the secret fisa court with no apparent accountability or oversight which rubber stamps warrant requests if they even feel the need for one.
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Re: President bans donations to Snowden [Re: Stonehenge]
#21557043 - 04/16/15 08:27 PM (8 years, 11 months ago) |
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That sounds like paranoia. It'd be impossible to record every call.
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Re: President bans donations to Snowden [Re: Enlil]
#21557074 - 04/16/15 08:32 PM (8 years, 11 months ago) |
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cell phone conversation in your house may.
outside of a house, even in a car it does not.
a call that started in your house and went to your car does not.
a call where you are in your house and the other person is outside of their house does not.
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Re: President bans donations to Snowden [Re: Enlil]
#21557080 - 04/16/15 08:33 PM (8 years, 11 months ago) |
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Quote:
Enlil said: That sounds like paranoia. It'd be impossible to record every call.
riiight.
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Re: President bans donations to Snowden [Re: rxb]
#21557091 - 04/16/15 08:35 PM (8 years, 11 months ago) |
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You don't know what you're talking about.
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Re: President bans donations to Snowden [Re: rxb]
#21557095 - 04/16/15 08:36 PM (8 years, 11 months ago) |
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He supports the govt at every turn.
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Re: President bans donations to Snowden [Re: Stonehenge]
#21557138 - 04/16/15 08:46 PM (8 years, 11 months ago) |
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it would cost about 2.2 million to record every person in the country 24/7 for a year at 8 bit.... magnetic audio tapes are 4 bit.
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Re: President bans donations to Snowden [Re: rxb]
#21557142 - 04/16/15 08:47 PM (8 years, 11 months ago) |
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Source?
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Re: President bans donations to Snowden [Re: rxb]
#21557150 - 04/16/15 08:48 PM (8 years, 11 months ago) |
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fie size at 8 bit is 3.6 MB per hour. retail for a 4 tb drive is about $120
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Re: President bans donations to Snowden [Re: rxb]
#21557165 - 04/16/15 08:51 PM (8 years, 11 months ago) |
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So, no source?
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Re: President bans donations to Snowden [Re: Enlil]
#21557172 - 04/16/15 08:53 PM (8 years, 11 months ago) |
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you cant use a calculator?
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Re: President bans donations to Snowden [Re: rxb]
#21557199 - 04/16/15 08:58 PM (8 years, 11 months ago) |
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By my calculations, that'd take 9.5 million tb of storage alone, plus 300,000,000 mp3 encoders and a lot of infrastructure to get the signal to data centers. No way 2.2 million is even close
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Re: President bans donations to Snowden [Re: rxb]
#21557213 - 04/16/15 09:00 PM (8 years, 11 months ago) |
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http://www.audiomountain.com/tech/audio-file-size.html 3.6 mb per year. number of hours in a year = 8765.81 31554 mb per year. divide by 1024 gives you 30.82 gigs per year divide by 1024 gives you .03 tb per year.
$120 for a 4 tb drive = $30 per tb
33.23 people per tb = 91 cents per person per year
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Re: President bans donations to Snowden [Re: rxb]
#21557228 - 04/16/15 09:03 PM (8 years, 11 months ago) |
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earlier i grabbed the wrong number for population.... but you can still see its REALLY not impossible.
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Re: President bans donations to Snowden [Re: rxb]
#21557237 - 04/16/15 09:04 PM (8 years, 11 months ago) |
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also this can further be reduced by file compression (on top of the audio compression)....not that at a dollar a person they would need to.
now thats NOT just for phones calls either.. thats 24/7 recording.
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Re: President bans donations to Snowden [Re: rxb]
#21557241 - 04/16/15 09:05 PM (8 years, 11 months ago) |
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So you admit you were way off. That'd be over 300 million a year in storage alone, and storage isn't even half of it.
And no, I can't see that. You're only looking at storage.
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Re: President bans donations to Snowden [Re: rxb]
#21557248 - 04/16/15 09:06 PM (8 years, 11 months ago) |
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I guess he wants a source to verify the cost of those things. He is entitled to ask for it but they sound like reasonable costs. Why would it cost much more than that? Perhaps labor costs, with inflated benefits labor costs will be high and the feds pay way too high. So it might be more than that but so what? What if it was double that cost or ten times? It would still be nothing for the govt to throw money at. How much wealth have we destroyed going overseas and blowing up shit? They take 1% of that and they spy on us.
Now is when the current occupant's defenders usually say "but he's a puppet" in his defense. "Don't blame him for shirking his duties and taking orders from hidden interests, blame whoever is pulling his strings." Sorry but I blame the puppet. Call me naïve but I blame the puppet for taking the orders as well as carrying out things against the will of the public. And against the well being of the public as well as breaking his promises. But hey, he's just a puppet so its all good.
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Re: President bans donations to Snowden [Re: rxb]
#21557249 - 04/16/15 09:07 PM (8 years, 11 months ago) |
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if you figure we spend less than 8 hours a day on the phone (i dont spend nearly that) and that each phone call can be recorded ONCE and save space...divide the figure by 3 and then by 2.
and this is getting pretty cheap.
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Re: President bans donations to Snowden [Re: rxb]
#21557253 - 04/16/15 09:07 PM (8 years, 11 months ago) |
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so we are down to 50 mill.. if everyone talked 8 hours a day.
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