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Re: Libertarianism, Anarchism, Social Darwinism, and Free Market Capitalism is intellectual laziness [Re: The Ecstatic]
#21382892 - 03/09/15 02:17 PM (9 years, 22 days ago) |
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I am for regulations that protect the interests and freedoms of the people. Libertarians can make laws that protect the people.
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The Ecstatic
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Re: Libertarianism, Anarchism, Social Darwinism, and Free Market Capitalism is intellectual laziness [Re: Algo]
#21382897 - 03/09/15 02:19 PM (9 years, 22 days ago) |
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AlgoRythm said: I am for regulations that protect the interests and freedoms of the people. Libertarians can make laws that protect the people.
So can literally any other political party. You've failed to explain what's so appealing and different about libertarians.
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Re: Libertarianism, Anarchism, Social Darwinism, and Free Market Capitalism is intellectual laziness [Re: The Ecstatic]
#21382918 - 03/09/15 02:24 PM (9 years, 22 days ago) |
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The Ecstatic said: That's like saying criminals don't have to break the law if there's no law. They'll still be doing the same things, it just won't be against the law anymore.
Exactly! There are a myriad of behaviors that the average person takes part in that are against the law. Big Brother governments make criminals out of everyone, why should i be threatened with life inside a cage if i decide to put certain things in my body? Or if I want to plant certain types of vegetation. What about when i want to cut hair without the governments permission? Should i be caged then?
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Re: Libertarianism, Anarchism, Social Darwinism, and Free Market Capitalism is intellectual laziness [Re: The Ecstatic]
#21382921 - 03/09/15 02:24 PM (9 years, 22 days ago) |
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I did in earlier posts.
I am not opposed to voting for someone of a different political party as long as I feel they truly are for the interest of the people. I know this is way off from libertarianism but I think Bernie Sanders really wants the best for the people, even though I dont agree with a few of his Socialists ideas I trust him over say Jeb Bush.
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Re: Libertarianism, Anarchism, Social Darwinism, and Free Market Capitalism is intellectual laziness [Re: Algo]
#21382933 - 03/09/15 02:29 PM (9 years, 22 days ago) |
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At least Bernie understands the evils of privatly ran central banks. I don't think Jeb or any other canidate gives two shits about the questionable practices of the FED
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Re: Libertarianism, Anarchism, Social Darwinism, and Free Market Capitalism is intellectual laziness [Re: psyconaught]
#21382951 - 03/09/15 02:35 PM (9 years, 22 days ago) |
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The Ecstatic said: That's like saying criminals don't have to break the law if there's no law. They'll still be doing the same things, it just won't be against the law anymore.
Exactly! There are a myriad of behaviors that the average person takes part in that are against the law. Big Brother governments make criminals out of everyone, why should i be threatened with life inside a cage if i decide to put certain things in my body? Or if I want to plant certain types of vegetation. What about when i want to cut hair without the governments permission? Should i be caged then?
Nobody in this thread is arguing for those things.
Besides, you completely sidestepped the point: which is that a spade is a spade whether you have a government agency calling it one or not. If we erase the EPA, corporations will continue to pollute, probably increase doing so. Erasing the part of government whose aim is to solve a problem doesn't erase the problem, only the recognition of it. This is why libertarianism is a corporation's wet dream.
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Re: Libertarianism, Anarchism, Social Darwinism, and Free Market Capitalism is intellectual laziness [Re: Algo]
#21382957 - 03/09/15 02:36 PM (9 years, 22 days ago) |
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AlgoRythm said: I did in earlier posts.
I am not opposed to voting for someone of a different political party as long as I feel they truly are for the interest of the people. I know this is way off from libertarianism but I think Bernie Sanders really wants the best for the people, even though I dont agree with a few of his Socialists ideas I trust him over say Jeb Bush.
What socialist ideas do you distrust?
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Re: Libertarianism, Anarchism, Social Darwinism, and Free Market Capitalism is intellectual laziness [Re: psyconaught]
#21382983 - 03/09/15 02:43 PM (9 years, 22 days ago) |
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AlgoRythm said: I have an Idea for healthcare, I maybe off in fantasy land but here it is. How about the government makes an a state ran insurance company that competes with the private companies and we can than see which is better at providing health coverage. It wont be forced on anyone and which ever way works better will be the victor. That way you arent being forced to buy healthcare at the barrel of a gun.
I have no problem with this as long as it would be solvent
We already have this.
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Re: Libertarianism, Anarchism, Social Darwinism, and Free Market Capitalism is intellectual laziness [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
#21383065 - 03/09/15 03:01 PM (9 years, 22 days ago) |
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AlgoRythm said: I have an Idea for healthcare, I maybe off in fantasy land but here it is. How about the government makes an a state ran insurance company that competes with the private companies and we can than see which is better at providing health coverage. It wont be forced on anyone and which ever way works better will be the victor. That way you arent being forced to buy healthcare at the barrel of a gun.
I have no problem with this as long as it would be solvent
We already have this.
Isnt medicare for people who are retired though?
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Re: Libertarianism, Anarchism, Social Darwinism, and Free Market Capitalism is intellectual laziness [Re: Algo]
#21383078 - 03/09/15 03:04 PM (9 years, 22 days ago) |
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Universal healthcare seems to work pretty good in other developed nations, with cost per person actually lower.
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Re: Libertarianism, Anarchism, Social Darwinism, and Free Market Capitalism is intellectual laziness [Re: Algo]
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AlgoRythm said: I have an Idea for healthcare, I maybe off in fantasy land but here it is. How about the government makes an a state ran insurance company that competes with the private companies and we can than see which is better at providing health coverage. It wont be forced on anyone and which ever way works better will be the victor. That way you arent being forced to buy healthcare at the barrel of a gun.
I have no problem with this as long as it would be solvent
We already have this.
Isnt medicare for people who are retired though?
Yes, but one proposal on the table is extending Medicare to all.
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Re: Libertarianism, Anarchism, Social Darwinism, and Free Market Capitalism is intellectual laziness [Re: The Ecstatic]
#21383155 - 03/09/15 03:17 PM (9 years, 22 days ago) |
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The Ecstatic said: Universal healthcare seems to work pretty good in other developed nations, with cost per person actually lower.
I believe the cost is lower, but I also think that quality of care will be lessened with universal care, but that is purely speculation.
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Re: Libertarianism, Anarchism, Social Darwinism, and Free Market Capitalism is intellectual laziness [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
#21383179 - 03/09/15 03:22 PM (9 years, 22 days ago) |
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said: Yes, but one proposal on the table is extending Medicare to all.
Fantastic! This is a great way to go about trying change with our healthcare system, this should have been tried before obamacare. This could possibly have the insurance compnaies shaking in their boots. Because if a govenment ran insurance company which is not for profit begins to give people cheaper healthcare premiums, than the private insurers will be forced out or forced to lower costs. Its kinda sad that they profit Billions from people being sick.
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Re: Libertarianism, Anarchism, Social Darwinism, and Free Market Capitalism is intellectual laziness [Re: Algo]
#21383338 - 03/09/15 04:02 PM (9 years, 22 days ago) |
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The Ecstatic said: Universal healthcare seems to work pretty good in other developed nations, with cost per person actually lower.
I believe the cost is lower, but I also think that quality of care will be lessened with universal care, but that is purely speculation.
In some cases, like advanced cancer care, brain and heart surgery, the US excels. But in relatively routine procedures, the quality difference is negligible. Take infant mortality for example, where the US doesn't even crack the top 25.
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Re: Libertarianism, Anarchism, Social Darwinism, and Free Market Capitalism is intellectual laziness [Re: Algo]
#21383357 - 03/09/15 04:07 PM (9 years, 22 days ago) |
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AlgoRythm said: Fantastic! This is a great way to go about trying change with our healthcare system, this should have been tried before obamacare. This could possibly have the insurance compnaies shaking in their boots. Because if a govenment ran insurance company which is not for profit begins to give people cheaper healthcare premiums, than the private insurers will be forced out or forced to lower costs. Its kinda sad that they profit Billions from people being sick.
You're right. Big insurance made sure this proposal never made it anywhere. Sad that corporations have so much power over Government today.
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Re: Libertarianism, Anarchism, Social Darwinism, and Free Market Capitalism is intellectual laziness [Re: The Ecstatic]
#21386687 - 03/10/15 12:03 PM (9 years, 21 days ago) |
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The Ecstatic said: Hardly.
If you want to scrap ideas that don't work, libertarianism is the first to go.
No. Socialism is. Good bye.
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Re: Libertarianism, Anarchism, Social Darwinism, and Free Market Capitalism is intellectual laziness [Re: Algo]
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The Ecstatic said: You're half right. The government is at the whim of corporations (which is why any meaningful reform starts with campaign finance), and they'll advocate market freedom (NAFTA, repealing Glass-Steagall) when it suits corporate interests, and do the opposite when it doesn't.
Campaign finance is an issue that all US citizens should agree on, that is the first step. That is the central problem in corporations controlling the government.
No. I am not remotely interested in giving the media a monopoly of the message.
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Re: Libertarianism, Anarchism, Social Darwinism, and Free Market Capitalism is intellectual laziness [Re: zappaisgod] 1
#21387091 - 03/10/15 01:43 PM (9 years, 21 days ago) |
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The Ecstatic said: Hardly.
If you want to scrap ideas that don't work, libertarianism is the first to go.
No. Socialism is. Good bye.
Then you won't have any trouble listing the prosperous libertarian nations that exist.
Because I wouldn't have any trouble whatsoever in listing the prosperous socialist nations.
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Re: Libertarianism, Anarchism, Social Darwinism, and Free Market Capitalism is intellectual laziness [Re: The Ecstatic]
#21388315 - 03/10/15 05:32 PM (9 years, 20 days ago) |
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List all the non prosperous libertarian nations, please. Because I can list a shitload of non-prosperous socialist ones. Let me start with your pals in Venezuela. Then we can look at Greece. I can go on.
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Re: Libertarianism, Anarchism, Social Darwinism, and Free Market Capitalism is intellectual laziness [Re: The Ecstatic]
#21388501 - 03/10/15 06:14 PM (9 years, 20 days ago) |
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WakingUpWisco said: The King is dead, long live the King! The old chant seems to hardly make any sense, if the king is dead, then how could he live on? But the phrase should actually be read, "The OLD king is dead, long live the NEW King". The words are all too fitting with the current state of mainstream media. Fitting, because according to recent statistics, the population of viewers/readers/listeners of most mainstream media outlets is on a drastic decline, and though you may not know it, there is a nationwide movement of independent and alternative media outlets springing up to fill its void. In lieu of all-time low ratings for mainstream news sites, websites like Drudge Report, Infowars, and Before its News, are experiencing a great influx of traffic. In Wisconsin, a close-knit network of various alternative media operations has been making BIG waves in the Milwaukee area. The newest player on the field is the well-received publication Waking Up Wisconsin Magazine. The first two things you will notice about WUW Magazine are its attractive and high quality appearance, and the fact that its FREE. Waking Up Wisconsin was founded in the winter of 2013, and consisted only of a small group of friends, a website, and a really big idea. The idea was to create a quality 40+ page magazine which would consist of important social/news information (often in areas of government conspiracy), original reader-submitted essays, and a priceless first page which would include the Bill of Rights on the front, and the Wisconsin Declaration of Rights on the reverse. The small group of friends could never predict the success that would soon befall this endeavor. In 2015, Waking Up Wisconsin Magazine has produced 3 well-received issues and readers are eagerly awaiting a 4th this spring. The magazine has teamed up with Milwaukee-based News organization and radio-show : The Rundown Live ( www.therundownlive.com ), as well as NORML, We Are Change: Milwaukee, and The Average Liberator - to name a few. They have also appeared on radio talkshows, and various marches, protests and liberty-activism events. As a free-to-take publication, the magazine has now been enjoyed by thousands. True to their original intentions, WUW still prints the Bill of Rights into each issue, and they do publish the essays of readers and everyday people, as submitted through their website. In 2014, a member of WUW proudly boasted through their Facebook page that "WUW Magazine has put over 3,000 copies of the Bill of Rights into the hands of your neighbors.. Not a bad start for six guys sitting around a living room". Not a bad start, indeed.
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