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using trays , whats up with it.
    #21347648 - 03/01/15 10:44 AM (9 years, 30 days ago)

Okay so i have a couple questions about trays i know how to prep them and get colonizing going its just fruiting them do i leave them in the open air uncovered im doing pan cyrans and have everything just waitting on my agar to be finished  or do i HAVE to put them in a SGFC ? Also can you make a GLC with a colonized grain jar of pan cyran mycelium and defiently will have pin porn posted later :smile: thanks


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Re: using trays , whats up with it. [Re: Lord Krondor]
    #21347801 - 03/01/15 11:23 AM (9 years, 30 days ago)

Cron did not use a SGFC or monotub for a while, he just cased his stuff and misted regularly and then covered it at night to keep the humidity in.

Those were with cubes though, I have heard Pan Cyans are a bit more sensitive and they do require a casing layer where cubes do not.
However I am sure if you are careful you could still pull it off without a fruiting chamber, I'd personally rather use a SGFC or monotub to put the tray in to fruit it.


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Re: using trays , whats up with it. [Re: PsyCLown89]
    #21347828 - 03/01/15 11:32 AM (9 years, 30 days ago)

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Re: using trays , whats up with it. [Re: E.FTS]
    #21348000 - 03/01/15 12:18 PM (9 years, 30 days ago)

Thanks i could always do both and see the best results im excited as hell for this so be on the look out for pin porn my way hahaha


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Re: using trays , whats up with it. [Re: Lord Krondor]
    #21348155 - 03/01/15 01:01 PM (9 years, 30 days ago)

if you have a chamber i would put your trays in them. I don't use a chamber for bulk substrate and just do what was mentioned above, misting and cover with wax paper.

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Re: using trays , whats up with it. [Re: bummerhigh]
    #21348258 - 03/01/15 01:30 PM (9 years, 30 days ago)



I melt a hole through the center of the lid to fruit.

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Re: using trays , whats up with it. [Re: insanemike]
    #21348381 - 03/01/15 02:01 PM (9 years, 30 days ago)

one hole with nothing covering it and done? I like that.I might need to do this.

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Re: using trays , whats up with it. [Re: insanemike]
    #21348382 - 03/01/15 02:01 PM (9 years, 30 days ago)

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I melt a hole through the center of the lid to fruit.


This guy has close to what I do but drill holes through the four sides and the top. Line bottom with perlite  then add your sub spawn mix Works like a champ. Just mist as needed.
PS if you have tall fruiting strains you may need to take the lid off when the fruits get too tall.


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Re: using trays , whats up with it. [Re: r00tuuu123]
    #21348610 - 03/01/15 03:09 PM (9 years, 30 days ago)

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I melt a hole through the center of the lid to fruit.


This guy has close to what I do but drill holes through the four sides and the top. Line bottom with perlite  then add your sub spawn mix Works like a champ. Just mist as needed.
PS if you have tall fruiting strains you may need to take the lid off when the fruits get too tall.




Have you tried fruiting without perlite?  I have tried the holes on all 4 sides and the top but the rate of evaporation was too much for me to keep up with the misting.

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Re: using trays , whats up with it. [Re: bw86]
    #21348691 - 03/01/15 03:27 PM (9 years, 30 days ago)

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one hole with nothing covering it and done?



no sgfc?

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Re: using trays , whats up with it. [Re: bw86]
    #21348752 - 03/01/15 03:41 PM (9 years, 30 days ago)

I might have to try some of those ideas i like those shelves i wish i had a set up like that


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Re: using trays , whats up with it. [Re: bw86]
    #21348759 - 03/01/15 03:42 PM (9 years, 30 days ago)

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one hole with nothing covering it and done?



no sgfc?




No SGFC. Just make sure you case it. I lightly mist once a day or when the edge of the casing begins to dry out.

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Re: using trays , whats up with it. [Re: insanemike]
    #21348810 - 03/01/15 03:53 PM (9 years, 30 days ago)

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I melt a hole through the center of the lid to fruit.


This guy has close to what I do but drill holes through the four sides and the top. Line bottom with perlite  then add your sub spawn mix Works like a champ. Just mist as needed.
PS if you have tall fruiting strains you may need to take the lid off when the fruits get too tall.




Have you tried fruiting without perlite?  I have tried the holes on all 4 sides and the top but the rate of evaporation was too much for me to keep up with the misting.


No you put the perlite right under the sub like an inch or so. then all you mist is the top and the excess drains to the perlite then evaporates back up. Next set of jars I do I'll post step by step pics


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Re: using trays , whats up with it. [Re: bw86]
    #21348827 - 03/01/15 03:56 PM (9 years, 30 days ago)

I'll do a summary of the bulk tray method i use without perlite or even casing, I'm pretty sure I learned it from reading minimalist growing techniques by the shroomery elites. I've been doing trays of cubes without even casing them, though I'm sure I'd benefit from doing so. during warm seasons I do leave the trays  next to an open window the entire time even during colonization and have not had any issues, my climate can reach high humidity

When spawn is fully colonized you get together your bulk materials and sterilize and clean everything in your work space including your trays and yourself. Then break up spawn and layer it into your bulk sub. I like to sandwich the spawn between two layers of manure and straw. cover the tray with plastic or tinfoil. puncture a couple small holes into the top cover about the size of a pen nib for gas exchange. then after a week or two check to see the progress of the tub and determine when to fruit from there.

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Re: using trays , whats up with it. [Re: r00tuuu123]
    #21348834 - 03/01/15 03:57 PM (9 years, 30 days ago)

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insanemike said:


I melt a hole through the center of the lid to fruit.


This guy has close to what I do but drill holes through the four sides and the top. Line bottom with perlite  then add your sub spawn mix Works like a champ. Just mist as needed.
PS if you have tall fruiting strains you may need to take the lid off when the fruits get too tall.




Have you tried fruiting without perlite?  I have tried the holes on all 4 sides and the top but the rate of evaporation was too much for me to keep up with the misting.


No you put the perlite right under the sub like an inch or so. then all you mist is the top and the excess drains to the perlite then evaporates back up. Next set of jars I do I'll post step by step pics




Please do:wink: I'm always interested in refining my methods. Do use a liner of any sort?

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Re: using trays , whats up with it. [Re: bummerhigh]
    #21348861 - 03/01/15 04:07 PM (9 years, 30 days ago)

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I'll do a summary of the bulk tray method i use without perlite or even casing, I'm pretty sure I learned it from reading minimalist growing techniques by the shroomery elites. I've been doing trays of cubes without even casing them, though I'm sure I'd benefit from doing so. during warm seasons I do leave the trays  next to an open window the entire time even during colonization and have not had any issues, my climate can reach high humidity

When spawn is fully colonized you get together your bulk materials and sterilize and clean everything in your work space including your trays and yourself. Then break up spawn and layer it into your bulk sub. I like to sandwich the spawn between two layers of manure and straw. cover the tray with plastic or tinfoil. puncture a couple small holes into the top cover about the size of a pen nib for gas exchange. then after a week or two check to see the progress of the tub and determine when to fruit from there.




I've fruited them without a casing layer and never got a good pinset, always on the edges. I assure you, unless your ambient RH is high, use a casing layer. There is absolutely no need to puncture anything during spawn run. The imperfect connection of the lid and tray is sufficient enough gas exchange. They always colonize in 8 days as long as you mix evenly. Which brings me to my next point, mixing is just as efficient as layering but less time consuming.

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Re: using trays , whats up with it. [Re: insanemike]
    #21348949 - 03/01/15 04:35 PM (9 years, 30 days ago)

So couldnt you do like say you have trays not in a SGFC and yoir going to work for 6 hours couldnt yoi put a lid on it to keep the RH up while your away?


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Re: using trays , whats up with it. [Re: insanemike]
    #21348967 - 03/01/15 04:42 PM (9 years, 30 days ago)

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Please do;) I'm always interested in refining my methods. Do use a liner of any sort?


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r00tuuu123 said:No liner needed since they are aluminum lasagne pans. I'd best just describe it since my next bunch of jars have at least a week left. What you wanna do is flip the lid into the pan and eyeball a bit over an inch up the sides and drill a row of holes (i like 1/4 inch holes)around the pan and through the lid then run another row about 3/4 inches above the first row  then take the lid out put your damp perlite in to just below the bottom holes then fill with in 1/2 inch of thetop spawn and sub mist the top and close it up and keep an eye on it then take the lid off when you need to mist. Then when it's colonized just case and mist as needed. It's really simple. Even if you dont have a drill just pole holes with a pointy knife.




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Re: using trays , whats up with it. [Re: r00tuuu123]
    #21348997 - 03/01/15 04:56 PM (9 years, 30 days ago)

you can buy seedling flats that have a clear dome on top that you can use as a fruiting chamber as well. once fruiting begins you would need to open them every so often or leave them loose so that you can get fae. they do work well. but automated would be your best bet.



you want the tall domes. usually they have a pitch at the top.

id get the standard seedling flat trays with dome tops from a good hydro store. they have all shapes and sizes.



these days you could probably rig it like a monotub and im betting it would work. by drilling some holes in the clear dome and putting some loose poly on top and some dialted filters on the sides.



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Re: using trays , whats up with it. [Re: r00tuuu123]
    #21349013 - 03/01/15 05:00 PM (9 years, 30 days ago)

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Please do;) I'm always interested in refining my methods. Do use a liner of any sort?


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r00tuuu123 said:No liner needed since they are aluminum lasagne pans. I'd best just describe it since my next bunch of jars have at least a week left. What you wanna do is flip the lid into the pan and eyeball a bit over an inch up the sides and drill a row of holes (i like 1/4 inch holes)around the pan and through the lid then run another row about 3/4 inches above the first row  then take the lid out put your damp perlite in to just below the bottom holes then fill with in 1/2 inch of thetop spawn and sub mist the top and close it up and keep an eye on it then take the lid off when you need to mist. Then when it's colonized just case and mist as needed. It's really simple. Even if you dont have a drill just pole holes with a pointy knife.







From my experience the myc digest right through the aluminum. I use press and seal which is an awesome liner because the myc grabs right to it but is alot of work to mold it into the pan. To each is their own.

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