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    #21168958 - 01/23/15 09:22 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

It's been a while since I first started growing mushrooms in bottles. I figure its time to update this tek with a few more options.

Bottle growing has been around for ages. It is used prolifically in Asia  for large commercial edible mushroom operations. over the last couple of years. I've used bottles for many edible, medicinal and active mushroom grows.

Over this time, I've noticed many benefits to this method of cultivation and only one real drawback. The only real down side to bottle growing is the number of containers it requires. loading, prepping and eventually washing tons of bottles can get to be a bit tedious. Now lets talk about the advantages. The biggest pro in my mind. Is that you can use basically anything mushroom mycelium will eat as your substrate. Since everything gets sterilised and stays closed until fully colonised. Highly nutritious substrate materials like dog food, bran or BRF can be added. another great benefit is the fact that no spawning to bulk is required. once colonised your mycelium never needs to be broken up. this makes contamination less of a worry. It also saves your mycelium from wasting energy on recovering after a shake. also the smaller contained substrates retain water better and have better bio efficiency for notably higher yields. it's also nice not having all your eggs in one basket. If you put one contaminated spawn jar into a bulk sub. the whole sub becomes contaminated. if you have one contaminated bottle sub. only that one bottle is lost.

I could go on and on about the benefits of bottle growing but I think that's enough bullshit for one  post. lets get to the tek.

choosing a container

You could really use any PCable container but I wil lis only 3 options.

* Ziploc twist N lock 1 quart PP5 plastic.

These are my current favorite. Simply because they allow for easy harvesting. even side pins are a non issue. when it's time to harvest just pop the substrate right out.




* Wide mouth pint mason jars.

These are my second choice. they also allow you to remove the substrate for easy harvesting. However they only hold 1/2 the substrate of the quart Ziplocs. they are a good option if you are growing on a smaller scale.


* Wide mouth quart mason jars.

I've used these a great deal with lots of success but as you can see side pins are a bit of an issue. they are a pain to harvest in general. they hold more substrate than pints and the tapered neck is handy for holding down your substrate when it comes time to dunk. Harvesting difficulties leave these guys as a last resort option for me.


Substrate options
The great thin about bottles is you can throw pretty much anything in them. Fore cubes I've used:
Dogfood
wheat bran
RGS
WBS
oats
wheat
popcorn
hemp seed
coir
vermiculite
shredded straw
coffee
whole wheat flour
BRF
dextrose
LME
manure
worm castings
gypsum
Basically if mushroom mycelium will eat it. It's good to go. feel free to play around with different recipes. Just remember. You need a good balance of nutrition and water retention. If you use nothing but grains and flours. You wont have enough water. Use nothing but coir or manure and there wont be enough nutrition.

I will give you 2 of my most used recipes. They each require there own preparation method. I separate my prep methods into 2 categories. Straw based and coir/manure based. I have a third method for edibles involving sawdust but this tek is written with actives in mind. there is a lot of info out there already regarding edible bottle cultivation.


Straw based bottles

Recipe for 10 quart bottles:

4 quarts of slightly packed shredded straw.

2.5 quarts of whole oats.

2 pints of wheat bran

1.5 pints of brown rice flour

1/2 pint of coffee

1 random ass small handful of gypsum.

Preparation

Step1
Measure out all of your dry ingredients and dump them into a large pot.


Step 2
Mix all your ingredients well and fill the pot with hot tap water.


Step 3
place the ot of ingredients on the stove and set it to high heat. bring the water to a hard boil. then reduce to medium heat and let the mixture boi for roughly 30 minutes. stir regularly to ensure the flour and bran don't stick to the bottom and burn.

30 minutes is just an estimated temperature you will know you're ready for the next step when the oats are plump, somewhat transparent and soft in the middle.

I like to leave them slightly under hydrated. this way they can absorb any excess water during the sterilisation cycle.

Step 4
Strain the water from your substrate mix. For this I like to use a 5 gallon pail filled with small holes.

I simply dump the pot into the pail. Spin the pail back and forth by the handle to work the water out of the substrate.

shake the pail for several minutes to let as much steam escape as possible. Now just let your substrate sit for a few minutes, stirring occasionally.to work up steam and redistribute moisture.

by the time your substrate mix has cooled it should be dry enough to use. It should be wet but not dripping wet. a SMALL amount of excess water is fin as the oats will absorb most of in during the PC cycle.


Step 5
Load your chosen containers with substrate. Don't over fill your Bottles. you want enough space on to for a good shake at inoculation and a casing layer at fruiting.


Step 6
put on your lids. for Ziplocs I use an un modified lid. I simply unscrew it roughlt 3/4 of an inch to alow for gas exchange.

If you are using mason jars you will need to modify the lid by adding a gas exchange hole covered with a filter. There are lots of good lid teks out there so I wont go into detail here.

Step 7
Cover your lids with tin foil and load your pressure cooker.

PC for at least 90 minutes at 15PSI I personally PC for 2 hours. better safe than sorry.

Step 8
once the pressure has dropped on its own. Remove your bottles from the PC. Give them a good shake and set them aside to cool. Once cool they are ready to inoculate.


Coir based bottles

Recipe for 8 bottles

4 cups of whole oats

4 cups of whole wheat

2 cups of wheat bran

1 cup of ground dry dog food (optional, may be replaced with more grain)

2 cups of vermiculite

160 grams of coir (1/4 brick)

1/8 cup of fresh coffee grounds

1/4 cup of gypsum

3.5 liters of tap water

Preparation

Step1
Mix your grains, dog food, bran, coffee and gypsum together in a large pot


Step2
Fill your pot with 3.5 liters of tap water. Mix it up, place it on the stove and bring the water to a boil.

Once the water is boiling lower the heat and set a timer for 30 minutes. stir regularly and maintain a nice light boil. You may need to add a small amount of water as it boils off but be carful not to add too much.

Step 3
Place your coir and vermiculite in a decent size tub or bucket. I wouldn't use anything much smaller than 5 gallons. Split your coir with a knife or screwdriver. then crumble and mix into your vermiculite by hand.


Step 4
Now that things have been boiling for 30 minutes. your grains should be plump and full of moisture.

Dump your pot of wet ingredients into the tub containing your coir and vermiculite. mix it all together really well and let it sit until it is cool enough to handle.


Step 5
Now that your substrate is cool enough to handle. get in there and really mix it up by hand. at this point your substrate shouldn't be too wet but it might be to dry. bring it up to field capacity by misting it with a spray bottle and mixing in the water by hand. The mixture should be wet but still fluffy. Pick up a handful no water should drip from it until you give it a good squeeze. even then it should only be a few drops.


Step 6
Scoop your substrate into your bottles. tap them on the counter as you fill them. to eliminate any air pockets. You want to leave a decent amount of space on top of each bottle. This will make it easier to shake things up at inoculation. It will also leave room for a casing layer when it's time to fruit.


Step 7
place a lid on each container and cover it with foil.

I used to modify all my lids by adding self healing injection ports and synthetic filter disks. now I leave my Ziploc lids un modified. Now I just unscrew them roughly 3/4 of an inch for gas exchange.

Mason jar lids still need to be modified but there are lots of good lid teks out there. So I won't go into detail here.

Step 8
load your pressure cooker and PC for at least 90 minutes at 15 PSI. I prefer to PC for 120 minutes. Better safe than sorry.


Step 9
Once the pressure has dropped to 0 on it's own. take your bottles out of the PC. Remove the foil and give them a good shake to redistribute moisture. If you are using plastic lids. be sure to tighten them before shaking. set your bottles aside to cool. I like to let mine cool in a tote or still air box. once they are cool they are ready to inoculate.
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Inoculation

Sterility is very important during this stage of the tek. It should be done in a SAB or in front of a laminar flow hood.

Step 1 Prepare yourself. You are the biggest source of contamination. Some people like to shower and brush their teeth or put on tyvek sleeves. Personally I just put on gloves and a face mask. then I cover my gloves in 70%iso alcohol.


Step 2
Prep your work station. Close all windows turn off all ventilation systems and fans. Basically just do what you can to eliminate air movement in your work area. Now mist the inside of your SAB with soapy water to trap any contaminants on the walls and floor of your SAB. There is no need to use bleach or peroxide. We aren't trying to kill anything. The key to a SAB is still air. Load your bottles into the SAB, mist once more and leave the room for a few minutes while the air settles.


Step 3
Choose your inoculant. I recommend using LC (Liquid Culture) or LI (Liquid Inoculant). Others have used colonised grain spawn with success. Agar wedges might work but colonisation takes a lot longer.


Step 4
Now that the air I your SAB has settled. Coat your gloves in 70% iso alcohol and wipe down each of your bottles with a Lysol wipe or alcohol soaked paper towel. you also want to wipe down your inoculating syringe at this point.


Step 5
before each inoculation it is important to flame sterilise your needle.

I prefer to use a butane torch but any flame will do. DO NOT wipe the needle with alcohol after flaming. The first few drops of inoculant to pass through the needle will cool it.

Step 6
My preferred method is to simply crack each lid for inoculation. If you choose this method. be sure to loosen each lid when you are loading your SAB. It can be a real pain trying to fight with a tight lid in a SAB.


Some people like to use Self Healing Injection ports or SHIPs.


Which ever method you use the process is basically the same. Inject between 5 and 15 CCs of inoculant into each jar. make sure the numbers on the syringe are facing you so you can deliver consistent doses of inoculant.

Step 7
Once you have finished inoculating your bottles. Take them from the SAB and shake them very well. This will distribute the inoculant more evenly throughout the bottle.

Label each bottle with variety and date. Then put them out of the way to colonise. I keep mine in the same monotub they will be fruited in. There is no need to incubate them or keep them in the dark. I try to keep mine between 68F and 75F during colonisation.

Step 8
Depending on the amount and type of inoculant used. you should see growth in 2 to 5 days.

full colonisation should be reached within 2 weeks.



Fruiting

These guys can be fruited in pretty much anything. SGFCs and green houses both work but I have found momo tubs to be the easiest fruiting solution for bottles.


Step1
Making a mono is really easy. I start by drilling 8 1 inch holes around the top a 6 around the bottom. I stuff the top holes with very loose poly fill.

I cover the bottom holes with 2 layers of eco felt but tightly stuffing them with poly fill works too.

this is how I make a mono from a 66qt tub.

Any size tub will work but the hole placement will be different with other sizes.

Step 2
Once your substrates are fully colonised. They are ready for fruiting conditions. I like to add a simple vermiculite casing layer at fruiting. Other materials like coir and jiffy mix will work too but vermiculite is the quickest and has given me the best results.  I have found that vermiculite is perfectly safe to use straight from the bag. If you are paranoid you can bake it in the oven to kill any molds that may be present. Take the lid off each bottle and spoon on 1/4 to 1/2 inch of vermiculite.

As you case each bottle. p,lace it in your mono tub.

Now give each casing a good mist. really soak them down.


Step 3
Your bottles can now be fruited. Put the lid on your tub and place it in your fruiting area. Your substrates require a decent amount of fresh air. the more you can give them with out drying them out the better. If you are forced to fruit them in a closet like me. Keep the door open as often as possible. The more substrate in each mono tub the easier it will be to keep humidity up. So load those suckers up.

You will need to dial your mono in for the correct balance of fresh air and humidity. If your substrates are drying out. tighten the top poly to raise the humidity. You want as much fresh air as possible though. So keep those holes as loose as possible without drying things out. If dialed in properly a mono tub should be pretty set and forget but don't be afraid to mist if things get dry. It takes some practice but eventually you will learn to read your mycelium. it will tell you what it needs.

Step4
Your mushrooms need light to develop properly. Specifically they need light on the high end of the colour spectrum. 6500K CLFs work great. So do florescent shop lights. Your lights should be on a timer. mushroom mycelium has a circadian rhythm. your grow will be happiest with a consistent 12hour on 12 hour off light cycle.


Harvesting and repeat flushes

Step1
If you were smart you used Ziplocs or wide mouth pins. in this case harvesting couldn't be easier. just pop out your substrate and cut off the fruits with a knife or scissors.

If you are lucky they will come of as one big cluster.


If you went with quart jars you may have a fight on your hands. I tend to just twist and pull my fruits out of qt jars. This can damage the substrate. so be carful. If you have side pins to deal with. a long kitchen knife can be used to get down inside the jar but it's a bit tricky. 


Step 2
After each flush it is important to rehydrate your substrate. first rinse off your substrate and the bottle with cool tap water.

Put the substrate back in its bottle, fill it with cool water and let it soak for at leas 2 hours. recently I have been soaking for 12 hours with good results.

After your substrates have been soaking for a few hours. give them one more rinse and put them back into fruiting conditions.

you should be abled to get 2 solid flushes from each bottle. You can go for more but yields tend to drop off pretty significantly after the second flush.

Well that's about it. If you do everything correctly. You will have lots of healthy fruits in no time.


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Re: Updated Bottle Tek (WORK IN PROGRESS) (moved) [Re: MudaFuka] * 2
    #21444255 - 03/22/15 06:55 PM (9 years, 9 days ago)

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Re: Updated Bottle Tek (WORK IN PROGRESS) [Re: MudaFuka] * 1
    #21444298 - 03/22/15 07:11 PM (9 years, 9 days ago)

im testing BE of popcorn and WBS (really millet) with these.  :tokeeporder:

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Re: Updated Bottle Tek (WORK IN PROGRESS) (moved) [Re: cronicr] * 2
    #21444302 - 03/22/15 07:12 PM (9 years, 9 days ago)

I fully endorse this service and/or product :thumbup:






Seriously try it, it kicks ass :rockon:

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Re: Updated Bottle Tek (WORK IN PROGRESS) (moved) [Re: Pastywhyte] * 1
    #21444306 - 03/22/15 07:12 PM (9 years, 9 days ago)

in.


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Re: Updated Bottle Tek (WORK IN PROGRESS) (moved) [Re: hamloaf] * 1
    #21444449 - 03/22/15 07:45 PM (9 years, 9 days ago)

:flyhigh:

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Re: Updated Bottle Tek (WORK IN PROGRESS) (moved) [Re: MudaFuka] * 2
    #21444498 - 03/22/15 07:58 PM (9 years, 9 days ago)

Fuck yeah man.  Great stuff.

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Re: Updated Bottle Tek (WORK IN PROGRESS) (moved) [Re: Big Bear] * 1
    #21444502 - 03/22/15 08:00 PM (9 years, 9 days ago)

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    #21444531 - 03/22/15 08:05 PM (9 years, 9 days ago)

Muda at it again:awegroove:


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    #21444537 - 03/22/15 08:06 PM (9 years, 9 days ago)

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    #21444559 - 03/22/15 08:12 PM (9 years, 9 days ago)

Is the 2 cups verm a personal preference or is it better than coir alone?

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    #21444584 - 03/22/15 08:18 PM (9 years, 9 days ago)

Coir alone works too. I've just been in the habit of adding verm to my coir for quite a while. It adds some minerals and helps keep the substrate fluffier. I'm not sure if it holds more or less water though.


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    #21444590 - 03/22/15 08:19 PM (9 years, 9 days ago)

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    #21444592 - 03/22/15 08:19 PM (9 years, 9 days ago)

fine verm holds more water then coir:super:


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    #21444604 - 03/22/15 08:21 PM (9 years, 9 days ago)

:whathesaid:
Verm in general is a moisture retainer.


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    #21444628 - 03/22/15 08:25 PM (9 years, 9 days ago)

I've always read that and it's certainly true going by weight but by volume I think coir holds more. I guess that just depends on how compressed it is.:shrug:


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    #21444651 - 03/22/15 08:32 PM (9 years, 9 days ago)

Vermiculite's place in agriculture is to amend your soil with if you live in a dry climate, because of it's moisture retention capabilities.  In agriculture, perlite's recommended amendment usage is for if you live in a humid climate, because of it's moisture evaporation capailities..  How much of either of the aforementioned amendments should be added to a soil mix at any given time largely depends on the RH of your ambient climate/environment.  Mileage may vary.


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    #21444717 - 03/22/15 08:48 PM (9 years, 9 days ago)

http://homeguides.sfgate.com/vermiculite-vs-perlite-49660.html
"Vermiculite can soak up 3 to 4 times its volume in water."

"Anno and Agar determined the ability to absorb water of both Perlite and Vermiculite. Agar soaked each 1 cup of medium grade perlite and vermiculite in water for 5 minutes, then drained for 5 minutes. They weighed both of the materials before and after the process.
It turns out that perlite absorbs 1.14 times its weight in water, whereas vermiculite absorbs 3.54 times its weight in water."



http://www.greenhouse.cornell.edu/crops/factsheets/nursery_container_media.pdf
coir is 79% water (maximum holding capacity)

"It can hold eight to nine times its own weight in water without becoming anaerobic"
http://www.just4growers.com/stream/growing-media/thinking-of-trying-hydroponics-then-try-coco-coir!.aspx

I think the variance in coir may have to do with how long the fibers are,
but based on my research coir is up to 2x as good as verm for water retention, but maybe fine verm is special somehow like cronicr suggested...

also I think it's worth a mention that coir takes 1 hour to fully hydrate IME.

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    #21444756 - 03/22/15 08:56 PM (9 years, 9 days ago)

Beautiful work, muda. :thumbup:

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    #21444799 - 03/22/15 09:11 PM (9 years, 9 days ago)

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    #21444819 - 03/22/15 09:15 PM (9 years, 9 days ago)

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Excellent write-up my man.

I was following this in your journal and I have several of these going now. I have some slight variations of it too.

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    #21445045 - 03/22/15 10:05 PM (9 years, 9 days ago)

I've got a lonely Texan in one of these. Good write up!


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    #21445049 - 03/22/15 10:05 PM (9 years, 9 days ago)

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Excellent write-up my man.

I was following this in your journal and I have several of these going now. I have some slight variations of it too.

Nice work Muda




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    #21445232 - 03/22/15 11:11 PM (9 years, 9 days ago)

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Excellent write-up my man.

I was following this in your journal and I have several of these going now. I have some slight variations of it too.

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    #21445291 - 03/22/15 11:33 PM (9 years, 9 days ago)

hell yeah man. I'm gonna attempt this post haste. :cheers:


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    #21445317 - 03/22/15 11:41 PM (9 years, 9 days ago)

Muda :bow2:. I love his teks man.

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Re: Updated Bottle Tek [Re: Mr. Alien] * 1
    #21445512 - 03/23/15 01:00 AM (9 years, 9 days ago)


Five outta five fishy fireballs for yo' ass!

Good schtuff Muda!

Looks like fun, gotta try it!

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    #21445523 - 03/23/15 01:09 AM (9 years, 9 days ago)

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    #21445871 - 03/23/15 05:58 AM (9 years, 9 days ago)

Absolutely love it. Going to have to start some in your name.

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Re: Updated Bottle Tek [Re: motherchimp] * 1
    #21446063 - 03/23/15 07:48 AM (9 years, 8 days ago)

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Absolutely love it. Going to have to start some in your name.



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Re: Updated Bottle Tek [Re: filthyknees] * 1
    #21446070 - 03/23/15 07:51 AM (9 years, 8 days ago)

You're killin it Muda! :rockon:

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    #21446405 - 03/23/15 10:01 AM (9 years, 8 days ago)

Hey muda, not sure how familiar you are with stones but you should try your tek with atl 7 or p. Mexicana. I'd be curious to see the results


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Re: Updated Bottle Tek [Re: Buck513] * 1
    #21448014 - 03/23/15 04:40 PM (9 years, 8 days ago)

Very nice, Muda.  You know I've been waiting for this to be finished and posted :laugh:

I'm curious about something.  Are you still making the totes into "monos" out of habit/familiarity?
One thing I thought is that the air exchange could be done differently and perhaps to some benefit.
The position for drilling holes in a monotub is because of the substrate level. With these, you could have the low holes just an inch from the bottom.
Also, whether you build the FC the same as a monotub, it wouldn't be a monotub used for this, as a monotub is not just a chamber but a growing method. You might not care, and it may not be a big deal, but I just thought to mention since for accuracy/clarity's sake I think the term would be tote fruiting chamber.


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Re: Updated Bottle Tek [Re: Violet] * 1
    #21448176 - 03/23/15 05:28 PM (9 years, 8 days ago)

I think he is just repurposing his old monos, that's what I have been doing.

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    #21448205 - 03/23/15 05:36 PM (9 years, 8 days ago)

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Re: Updated Bottle Tek [Re: MudaFuka] * 1
    #21448234 - 03/23/15 05:49 PM (9 years, 8 days ago)

:greatjob:

Have you notice any substantial yield improvements over the original process?


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Re: Updated Bottle Tek [Re: Fungus Mountain] * 1
    #21448288 - 03/23/15 06:07 PM (9 years, 8 days ago)

THANKS everyone. I really appreciate it.


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Hey muda, not sure how familiar you are with stones but you should try your tek with atl 7 or p. Mexicana. I'd be curious to see the results



If you look closely you can see an ATL 7 label on the syringe I used in this tek. This is my first time using a stone producer though so I don't have any results yet. I think carcasex has used these for Mexicana though.

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Very nice, Muda.  You know I've been waiting for this to be finished and posted :laugh:

I'm curious about something.  Are you still making the totes into "monos" out of habit/familiarity?
One thing I thought is that the air exchange could be done differently and perhaps to some benefit.
The position for drilling holes in a monotub is because of the substrate level. With these, you could have the low holes just an inch from the bottom.
Also, whether you build the FC the same as a monotub, it wouldn't be a monotub used for this, as a monotub is not just a chamber but a growing method. You might not care, and it may not be a big deal, but I just thought to mention since for accuracy/clarity's sake I think the term would be tote fruiting chamber.



I thought about that too. Like Pasty said. I'm just using my old monos. I have a bunch of them and they seem to work pretty well. So I didn't bother messing with new hole placements.

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:greatjob:

Have you notice any substantial yield improvements over the original process?



I'm using different cultures so It's hard to say if this way yields more. Me best culture gives me about 35 dry grams per bottle after 2 flushes with this method. That is better than I got with the original tek but the culture I'm using now is the best I have ever seen. Harvesting and cleaning out spent substrates is way way way easier with this method though.


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Re: Updated Bottle Tek [Re: MudaFuka] * 1
    #21448380 - 03/23/15 06:30 PM (9 years, 8 days ago)

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Have you notice any substantial yield improvements over the original process?



Since he didn't say this, I will:  A tote FC used this way will produce far more per time and space than a monotub could.

Yield per substrate may end up higher for a few reasons also, mainly not having to throw away the whole mono cake if it contams, but rather tossing the specific bottle.  Perhaps fewer total contams altogether due to a much stronger methodology with these containers.

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I thought about that too. Like Pasty said. I'm just using my old monos. I have a bunch of them and they seem to work pretty well. So I didn't bother messing with new hole placements.



Yeah I was certain you were just re-purposing your old tubs.  One thought I had was that this tek deserves a description of a FC made for it, not for another.  And the main thing is, whether using a tote designed in such a way or designed like "monotubs", they're not monotubs when not holding a colonizing & fruiting mono cake.
It's used identically to the way I use totes, just as tote fruiting chambers.  Except due to the substantially more sub and myc in these totes, they do kindof need holes for airflow.

Edit:  I guess what I should have asked was, are you still instructing the FCs for these be made mono-style for those reasons.


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Re: Updated Bottle Tek [Re: Violet] * 1
    #21448456 - 03/23/15 06:50 PM (9 years, 8 days ago)

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Re: Updated Bottle Tek [Re: Buck513] * 1
    #21448928 - 03/23/15 09:16 PM (9 years, 8 days ago)

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I'm tripping



I have no idea why I typed that. I don't even really remember doing it I was tripping BALLS at the time. Shit happens:shrug:

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    #21453872 - 03/25/15 12:12 AM (9 years, 7 days ago)

Great work, MudaMudaMuda!

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Re: Updated Bottle Tek [Re: DirdyD]
    #21454047 - 03/25/15 01:54 AM (9 years, 7 days ago)

I'm feeling left in the dust not knowing about this thread til just now, saw a few tumbleweeds go by in that old one for sure though.


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    #21454074 - 03/25/15 02:18 AM (9 years, 7 days ago)

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I'm feeling left in the dust not knowing about this thread til just now, saw a few tumbleweeds go by in that old one for sure though.




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    #21454153 - 03/25/15 03:08 AM (9 years, 7 days ago)

Muda your improved tek needs to be added to the amu q and a


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Re: Updated Bottle Tek [Re: Buck513]
    #21455342 - 03/25/15 11:46 AM (9 years, 6 days ago)

Just finished the full flush on my pint bottle. I got 54.44 fresh off it which is pretty darn good for a little guy!



I bought a bunch of PP5s recently, both pints and quarts, and I'm going to inoculate a bunch of those soon and see what I can do with a full arsenal of bottles.

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    #21455715 - 03/25/15 01:37 PM (9 years, 6 days ago)

Good job, star!

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Re: Updated Bottle Tek [Re: DirdyD]
    #21455958 - 03/25/15 02:51 PM (9 years, 6 days ago)

Very nice write ups Muda and a super easy tek to try out and modify to your own personal needs. I do my inoculations using spawn as a kind of G2G in the SAB and I use whatever bulk subs, grains and additives I have on hand. It's well thought out, well presented, easy to iterate with and it produces. :bow2:

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    #21456001 - 03/25/15 03:02 PM (9 years, 6 days ago)

:rockon:

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    #21456039 - 03/25/15 03:12 PM (9 years, 6 days ago)

Inspiration...
My first grow is going because of the original thread.. Thanks muda...wish me luck..

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    #21456183 - 03/25/15 03:50 PM (9 years, 6 days ago)

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    #21456205 - 03/25/15 03:57 PM (9 years, 6 days ago)

I'm going to try this once I move into my new place in a few months. Thanks for another awesome Tek! 5 stars for ya.

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Re: Updated Bottle Tek [Re: Monty514]
    #21458006 - 03/25/15 10:48 PM (9 years, 6 days ago)

Whole wheat flour?

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Re: Updated Bottle Tek [Re: E.FTS]
    #21458699 - 03/26/15 05:22 AM (9 years, 6 days ago)

Would you change this at all to use 2 quart containers?

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Re: Updated Bottle Tek [Re: motherchimp]
    #21458886 - 03/26/15 05:35 AM (9 years, 6 days ago)

how do i miss the good threads like this for so long, and only click the stupid ones :facepalm:


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Re: Updated Bottle Tek [Re: E.FTS]
    #21459126 - 03/26/15 05:52 AM (9 years, 6 days ago)

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Whole wheat flour?



No. I use whole wheat frome the same feed store that sells my whole oats. I started mixing in the wheat because it is less than half the price of oats which are already super cheap. My local TSC sell 55 lbs of whole wheat for $8 and 55 lbs of whole oats for $18.


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    #21459145 - 03/26/15 05:53 AM (9 years, 6 days ago)

I want to try this tek, any issues PCing the Ziploc's? Ziploc's being plastic. Do you use cloth or the like to keep it away from the PC's surface or just straight in the water?


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Re: Updated Bottle Tek [Re: motherchimp]
    #21459173 - 03/26/15 05:56 AM (9 years, 6 days ago)

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Would you change this at all to use 2 quart containers?



Certainly.
Just double up on sub the recipe, and the amount of inoculm used. 
Using a gallon sized jar inoculated with 60+cc's of thick ass LC.
Don't expect to it perform very well at fruiting, but it's all clean. 

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Re: Updated Bottle Tek [Re: hamloaf]
    #21459184 - 03/26/15 06:00 AM (9 years, 6 days ago)

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My local TSC sell 55 lbs of whole wheat for $8 and 55 lbs of whole oats for $18.




:oldman2:

thats still HALF what i pay from a mill.  WTF is going on here
how much is the 50 lb bags of rye up there?


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    #21459187 - 03/26/15 06:02 AM (9 years, 6 days ago)

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Would you change this at all to use 2 quart containers?



No I wouldn't. I'm sure they would work but smaller substrates are more efficient. I've spent a good amount of time getting this tek to a place where I'm completely happy with the reasults. I don't see myself changing anything other than the odd substrate ingredients for quite a while. If it's  something  you are interested in you  should  try it though.


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    #21459199 - 03/26/15 06:09 AM (9 years, 6 days ago)

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I want to try this tek, any issues PCing the Ziploc's? Ziploc's being plastic. Do you use cloth or the like to keep it away from the PC's surface or just straight in the water?



They are polypropylene. Just PC like normal. Between these bottle subs and pasty plates. I PC as many as 92 pp5 plastic  containers each week without issue.
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My local TSC sell 55 lbs of whole wheat for $8 and 55 lbs of whole oats for $18.




:oldman2:

thats still HALF what i pay from a mill.  WTF is going on here
how much is the 50 lb bags of rye up there?



I've only seen rye in liquid  for around here and it comes in bottles not bags.


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    #21459203 - 03/26/15 06:13 AM (9 years, 6 days ago)

word.  my rye used to come from canada, but not sure what part.

how much does 1 qt of substrate weigh in this, not including bottle/pp5?


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    #21459216 - 03/26/15 06:25 AM (9 years, 6 days ago)

I can't remember exactly. I can get out my scale and check after work. I'm  assuming you want dry weight.


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Re: Updated Bottle Tek [Re: MudaFuka]
    #21459236 - 03/26/15 06:40 AM (9 years, 6 days ago)

well i wanted wet weight, but for sawdust, not coir.
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Re: Updated Bottle Tek [Re: blindingleaf]
    #21459285 - 03/26/15 07:00 AM (9 years, 6 days ago)

I can weigh one of my more recent sawdust bottles for you but it has been colonizing with lions mane for about a week and a half.


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    #21459312 - 03/26/15 07:12 AM (9 years, 6 days ago)

nice!!
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    #21460527 - 03/26/15 12:29 PM (9 years, 5 days ago)

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Whole wheat flour?



No. I use whole wheat frome the same feed store that sells my whole oats. I started mixing in the wheat because it is less than half the price of oats which are already super cheap. My local TSC sell 55 lbs of whole wheat for $8 and 55 lbs of whole oats for $18.





Noted. I just got back from TSC picked the 50 pounder of whole oats up was 20 bucks.

Hey quick question too muda, what type or kind of needles are you buying with your 60cc leur locks?? I saw the two packs of the syringes but it came with no needles  :um:

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    #21461233 - 03/26/15 03:49 PM (9 years, 5 days ago)

20 bucks?  Our 50 pounders are 13 at TSC here.


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    #21461321 - 03/26/15 04:05 PM (9 years, 5 days ago)

I use 16 gauge needles. I think they are inch and a half but the longer the better really.
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    #21461360 - 03/26/15 04:13 PM (9 years, 5 days ago)

How often do you have to refill those silicon ports Muda?  Really thinking about investing in a bunch of these PP5 bottles and runnin a GH.  I always have just opened my lids to squirt my LI in but those ports look so efficient.  I love how simple this TEK is.


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    #21461654 - 03/26/15 05:15 PM (9 years, 5 days ago)

I'm still on the fence about the silicone SHIPs. It is quick and handy at inoculation but I have never really trusted them completely and opening the lid is easy enough. On the weekend I was to lazy to prep and load my SAB so I inoculated a bunch of bottles threw the SHIPs in open air. It's only been 4 days but so far all the growth looks clean. I haven't refiled any of the ships on my qt lids or PP5 yet but I used a 14 gauge needle on a couple of my blender lid SHIPs and they got a bit trashed.


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    #21461706 - 03/26/15 05:24 PM (9 years, 5 days ago)

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20 bucks?  Our 50 pounders are 13 at TSC here.




Still isn't too bad I don't think. Im in a rural area too. Im sure I can get it cheaper somewhere. Cant find rye anywhere tho.

There is a co-op next town over. Never been to one I might see whats happeing there.

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    #21461711 - 03/26/15 05:25 PM (9 years, 5 days ago)

That's what's weird.  You'd think in a rural area it'd be cheap as fuck.  I got mine in a pretty big city.


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    #21461725 - 03/26/15 05:28 PM (9 years, 5 days ago)

For me rye is 4 dollars more expensive, and twice as far to obtain than whole oats for the same amount (50 pounds).


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    #21461732 - 03/26/15 05:29 PM (9 years, 5 days ago)

I was thinking the same thing. Ill check the co-op and post here what there prices are.

I mean, its only 5-7 dollar difference but I also have to drive 20 min into town as well.


edit: I also don't go through anywhere near as much grain as most people here. So it doesn't affect me that much.

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    #21469032 - 03/28/15 03:48 AM (9 years, 4 days ago)

Would you recommend this recipe for gourmet varieties?

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    #21469258 - 03/28/15 07:16 AM (9 years, 4 days ago)

I grow most of my gourmets using a similar method. I use qt jars full of hardwood sawdust supplemented with grain. The amount of grain I use depends on the species.


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    #21472930 - 03/29/15 01:34 AM (9 years, 3 days ago)

Thanks. I'll have to pick up some coir and more grain tomorrow.

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    #21473531 - 03/29/15 08:31 AM (9 years, 2 days ago)

i get wbs for .37 cents a lb. and its a 2 mile drive. when i lived in the backwoods long ago the feed and seed stores would have huge 50lb bags for about 10-12$ so it was even cheaper. i never thought to try oats back then. but for me its more about convenience and price rather than the grain. granted the wbs may not be the best for edibles. but popcorn grain served me well in the past with oysters when i could get it for a good price. but that price went through the roof so i had to stop using it.

also 5 stars for the clean write up on this thread. i also can see a vastly improved technique from you muda. your a beast man! i got mad respect for you.

i also agree on opening the lid for the injection as you skip the step about flame sterilizing your needle between each inoculation. not to mention that the heated needle can easily melt that ship. sometimes the hole ends up being very big and you have to cover it. opening the lid and squirting it in there is like doing a g2g. same principle when i do the slurries or GLC i just pour. its easy enough and i don't see any increased in contam rate doing that. whether its in a SAB or a shmuv.

i havn't been able to try this bottle tek out yet. as i have not had any agar until recently. so i have some plates of oysters and multiple cubes from spore prints from 03 that actually germinated. i may give them a try with the LI and a bottle or 3. ive got some secret ingredients for supplements im messing with that id like to incorporate into the mix. right now im trying this ingredient in bulk.



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    #21477201 - 03/30/15 01:11 AM (9 years, 2 days ago)

I'm seeing my first pins on my pint of PE. They're all side pins. Since 2 of my larger PP5s died out from bacteria, I don't think I'm generating enough heat to keep the chamber humid enough. I think I'll leave them in there and spray them down often since I don't want to setup my SGFC again.



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    #21477227 - 03/30/15 01:28 AM (9 years, 2 days ago)

Just curious... how many mixes did you go through before you came to your current recipe?

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    #21478256 - 03/30/15 10:56 AM (9 years, 1 day ago)

What nutrients does the dog food add? Would using brf or something like that instead be as good?


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    #21478262 - 03/30/15 10:58 AM (9 years, 1 day ago)

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What nutrients does the dog food add? Would using brf or something like that instead be as good?



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    #21478280 - 03/30/15 11:02 AM (9 years, 1 day ago)

You can just add those ingredients to the substrate mix.  Makes more of the aforementioned additives nutrients readily available to the mycelium when you add them to sterilized substrates.  The coffee don't even have to be spent.  The reason the coffee don't have to be spent is due to the sterilization of the substrates in prep for inoculation.  If you were spawning to bulk, you'd have to use spent coffee grounds, and wouldn't be able to safely add the brf.


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    #21478349 - 03/30/15 11:26 AM (9 years, 1 day ago)

There is fresh un spent coffee in the recipe. Add whatever you like. I throw in all kinds of shit. It just depends on what's handy.


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    #21478353 - 03/30/15 11:29 AM (9 years, 1 day ago)

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You can just add those ingredients to the substrate mix.  Makes more of the aforementioned additives nutrients readily available to the mycelium when you add them to sterilized substrates.  The coffee don't even have to be spent.  The reason the coffee don't have to be spent is due to the sterilization of the substrates in prep for inoculation.  If you were spawning to bulk, you'd have to use spent coffee grounds, and wouldn't be able to safely add the brf.



Why should it bd unsafe to use brf if u sterilize the whole Substrate? Shouldn't it increase yield because of the extra nutritions?

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    #21478366 - 03/30/15 11:34 AM (9 years, 1 day ago)

He said it wouldn't be safe to use BRF when spawning to bulk, as in a monotub.  He's right.  You shouldn't have such nutritious sub uncolonized in unsterile environs.

Your question is right.  You can add BRF to a strrilized substrate mix if it stays sterile like these bottles.  It will increase your total yield, likely involving dunks to get it, since BRF can't easily be added wet.


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    #21479868 - 03/30/15 03:40 PM (9 years, 1 day ago)

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Add whatever you like. I throw in all kinds of shit. It just depends on what's handy.




This is why I love this method so much. You can literally whip up a bottle out of so many different things and it produces awesome. My timothy hay, verm, coffee and brown rice bottles are on their third flush and I've already harvested 330 grams wet off three pint pp5s.

You could also work down to a specific recipe - which is essentially what Muda has done with his recipe. Just use what you have on hand and in stores convenient to you. :cool:


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    #21480249 - 03/30/15 05:14 PM (9 years, 1 day ago)

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You can just add those ingredients to the substrate mix.  Makes more of the aforementioned additives nutrients readily available to the mycelium when you add them to sterilized substrates.  The coffee don't even have to be spent.  The reason the coffee don't have to be spent is due to the sterilization of the substrates in prep for inoculation.  If you were spawning to bulk, you'd have to use spent coffee grounds, and wouldn't be able to safely add the brf.



Why should it bd unsafe to use brf if u sterilize the whole Substrate? Shouldn't it increase yield because of the extra nutritions?



he said it would be unsafe if you didn't sterilize the BRF and instead spawned it to bulk.

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If you were spawning to bulk, you'd have to use spent coffee grounds, and wouldn't be able to safely add the brf.



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    #21481449 - 03/30/15 10:28 PM (9 years, 1 day ago)

Shit...

So I just pulled my bag out to start Mudas Tek tonight. Bought my Ziplocs...I fucking bought rolled oats :facepalm: I lost my damn receipt too.

Can I salvage this or nah? I don't see why not seeing as it will be mixed with coir + dog food + coffee + wheat. The stickiness shouldn't matter I don't think.

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    #21481487 - 03/30/15 10:37 PM (9 years, 1 day ago)

For spawn rolled oats are a starchy nightmare but for this tek they should be OK. I've never used them though so I'm just speculating. As far as the prep goes:shrug:


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    #21481612 - 03/30/15 11:09 PM (9 years, 1 day ago)

Man the pics of them flushes are beautiful!!


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For spawn rolled oats are a starchy nightmare but for this tek they should be OK. I've never used them though so I'm just speculating. As far as the prep goes:shrug:





I just got done boiling as per tek. Its oatmeal with hulls in it pretty much. Sticky mess. Ill PC later on tonight.

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    #21482683 - 03/31/15 09:54 AM (9 years, 21 hours ago)

I was pretty sure someone posted here saying something about trying these with just straw and whole wheat flour. Was that post deleted? Another thread?


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    #21483064 - 03/31/15 12:09 PM (9 years, 19 hours ago)

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I was pretty sure someone posted here saying something about trying these with just straw and whole wheat flour. Was that post deleted? Another thread?




There's no write up for it yet. We gotta wait a bit longer. Should be worth it though.


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    #21484073 - 03/31/15 04:33 PM (9 years, 14 hours ago)

Yah that's pasty's thing. I saw a prevent of it and it looks pretty  impressive.


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    #21484417 - 03/31/15 05:43 PM (9 years, 13 hours ago)

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There is fresh un spent coffee in the recipe. Add whatever you like. I throw in all kinds of shit. It just depends on what's handy.



I understand and realize all this.  :thumbup:

Decided to start with the OG recipe with the addition of other additives and bulk sub materials had at the disposal, and expand upon this tek in using spawn bags instead of bottles/jars. 

Much more potential advantages using spawn bags as (here it comes...) the media vessel of choice over bottles/jars it's not even funny.  Like from fruiting invitro to removing the bag all together.  In spawn bags you are definitely NOT confined to only being able to fruit one way.


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    #21484507 - 03/31/15 06:05 PM (9 years, 13 hours ago)

I can fruit thes out of the bottles too but choose not to because they would dry faster and be more work to harvest. The BE is also higher with smaller subs but to each their own.


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    #21484547 - 03/31/15 06:14 PM (9 years, 13 hours ago)

Thanks for the tips, but yea.  In the spirit of what I have laying around, I am going to try it.  I also have a humidity controlled environment, so the cakes drying up will be a non-issue for me.  Smaller substrates equaling higher biological efficiency is what has been discovered as well, and is why bulk substrates in monotubs are only made 1-2 inches thick.

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    #21485519 - 03/31/15 09:54 PM (9 years, 9 hours ago)



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Just thought I'd chime in with my first muda bottles to reach fruiting stage. The 5 that currently have fruits are B+ and then there are 7 Penis Envy bottles and 4 Golden Teacher Bottles. Loving working with this tek and it's easy to adjust the substrate recipe to work with what you have. Thanks Muda!


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    #21495511 - 04/03/15 07:38 AM (8 years, 11 months ago)

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:flyhigh:

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    #21498666 - 04/03/15 10:35 PM (8 years, 11 months ago)

My little pint just pumped out it's 3rd flush so I tossed it. It wound up with 11.6 dry grams. I'm impressed with it. I can't wait to run a batch with the new method since I have tons of PP5s now. Thanks for the new write up, Muda.

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    #21502023 - 04/04/15 11:58 AM (8 years, 11 months ago)

Yea, 1.5 pint. saw them at target, and had to give some mudabottles a try. I'll updte with more pics when there are some larger fruits

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    #21503283 - 04/04/15 05:00 PM (8 years, 11 months ago)

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Re: Updated Bottle Tek [Re: MudaFuka]
    #21505951 - 04/05/15 11:39 AM (8 years, 11 months ago)

I find that the more I fill a bottle, the more difficult it becomes to shake it for lc distribution. 
Currently I fill to 75%, and I would describe this as tedious process
80-85% it takes twice as long,
90% is torture.

I know it prevents side pinning but ... I don't want to deal with the extra it takes to distribute.  I'm almost tempted to fill 50%
and see how I like it. 

So for you guys that fill to the neck, any tips or tricks on making shaking it easier? 

I tried filling to the neck and dribbling lc down the sides but it took 3-4 weeks to fully colonize, I wasn't happy with that, colonization times were too long and inconsistent.

I also had a bunch of jars stall out a few months back because the myc went up t0 the sfd and covered it over, preventing GE.  These jars were filled to 95% and given the dribble/no-shake method.

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    #21505980 - 04/05/15 11:49 AM (8 years, 11 months ago)

I've been over filling my grain jars for a long time so I'm used to difficult shakes. I can't really remember much from my qt jars grows but with the qt pp5 I find anything over 80% becomes difficult to shake and often takes an extra week to colonise as a result.


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    #21506047 - 04/05/15 12:07 PM (8 years, 11 months ago)

I think the trick to shaking the pp5 quart containers is to hold the container so that it's on it's side. Do not shake vigorously. Too much force will not allow air or gravity to work in your favor. Instead, shake with long, deliberate strokes that create a flow or rhythm. If done correctly, the contents almost become weightless and move from the top of the jar to the bottom. Make sure to rotate jar as you shake so that all sides have been well distributed. I filled my pp5's around 90% and had no trouble when shaking it this way.

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    #21506060 - 04/05/15 12:12 PM (8 years, 11 months ago)

Once the jar is on it's side are you rotating horizontally or vertically?

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    #21506078 - 04/05/15 12:17 PM (8 years, 11 months ago)

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Once the jar is on it's side are you rotating horizontally or vertically?




I'm not flipping end over end. I am simply rotating it as if I were rolling it on the floor.

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    #21506572 - 04/05/15 02:38 PM (8 years, 11 months ago)

Is there a reason we don't slide the entire colonized block out of the PP5s like birthing a BRF cake?

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    #21506603 - 04/05/15 02:47 PM (8 years, 11 months ago)

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Is there a reason we don't slide the entire colonized block out of the PP5s like birthing a BRF cake?




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    #21506751 - 04/05/15 03:36 PM (8 years, 11 months ago)

How does casing with coir compare to to using verm?  Coir is like 1/4 the price for me.

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    #21506772 - 04/05/15 03:41 PM (8 years, 11 months ago)

Its easy for it to be overrun. Consolidate well and put directly into fruiting after you case. It does make an excellent casing, nuce texture and easy to see if its getting dry.

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    #21506828 - 04/05/15 03:55 PM (8 years, 11 months ago)

I'm a noob with a question about this bottle tek. Wouldn't more mushrooms fruit in something like a mono? Just seems like the more surface area covered with mycelium, the more fruits you could potentially get.


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    #21506831 - 04/05/15 03:57 PM (8 years, 11 months ago)

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I'm a noob with a question about this bottle tek. Wouldn't more mushrooms fruit in something like a mono? Just seems like the more surface area covered with mycelium, the more fruits you could potentially get.




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    #21506867 - 04/05/15 04:12 PM (8 years, 11 months ago)

I took a few out of the containers after they had flushed once or twice. They are doing OK. I only did it because I needed the containers for a new set of subs. I leave them in the containers to fruit for 2 reasons. The first is. They lose moisture more rapidly when fruited as cakes. The second is easy of harvest. Cutting the top off of each bottle to harvest is much easier than trying to get in and untangle the fruits from 14 different subs.

Some people seem to think more surface area means higher yeilds. I can say with the utmost confidence. I'd dose NOT. I have fruited large bulk subs as cakes with all 6 sides available for fruiting. I got amazing pin sets but the over all yeilds were no better because. Each sub only has so much available water and nutrition. In actuality this tek gives much higher yeilds than any mono tub.  A 66qt tub containing 14 bottles can yeild 12 ounces in the first flush and still produce another 6 or 7 in the second. Not many people get those kinds of yeilds from a conventional  66qt mono. It also takes less work and less substrate to fill a mono with bottles. So you get better BE and ROI.


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    #21511282 - 04/06/15 05:19 PM (8 years, 11 months ago)



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    #21511297 - 04/06/15 05:22 PM (8 years, 11 months ago)

brown spores? is it from crons BS?

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    #21511511 - 04/06/15 06:08 PM (8 years, 11 months ago)

Yah it's cons JAS rust. I've been working to get it stable. The first 2 grows I did with it gave me all purple spores. I'm on the 5th generation now and getting all rust spores.


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    #21511543 - 04/06/15 06:13 PM (8 years, 11 months ago)

Damn thats cool! :cool:

I remember a lot of people just got purple spores on their grows
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    #21512240 - 04/06/15 08:25 PM (8 years, 11 months ago)

Isn't purple the default color...?


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    #21512265 - 04/06/15 08:30 PM (8 years, 11 months ago)

yeah that's why it was disappointing on a culture that cron wanted to have brown/rust spores.
I'm talking about grows on special prints, not just standard grows. I see the confusion now :lol:

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    #21518897 - 04/08/15 10:30 AM (8 years, 11 months ago)

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    #21519539 - 04/08/15 01:45 PM (8 years, 11 months ago)

I'm pretty much following the tek, and using 1/2 inch of verm in glass containers.  Side pins...  I know it's been said but: pp5s are *highly* recommended for ease of harvest.

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    #21519553 - 04/08/15 01:49 PM (8 years, 11 months ago)

Muda, have you ever inoculated your twist and loc containers with a pf slurry? If so, how much slurry do you add to each container? I have eight 1/4 pint pf cakes I nocc'd up with LI last night (first ever pf cakes).

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    #21520036 - 04/08/15 04:09 PM (8 years, 11 months ago)

I've never used slurry for anything. I've actually never made PF cakes. The closest I came was ground oats and verm fruited out of short 1/2 pints.

Defenetly use the pp5s for this tek. They are worth the extra money. Not just for ease of harvest but for easy clean up as well.


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    #21522699 - 04/09/15 04:04 AM (8 years, 11 months ago)

Just thought I'd update my progress. I have picked a few fruits from two B+ jars, Golden teachers are coming along nicely and Penis Envy bottles just started fruiting






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    #21523348 - 04/09/15 09:42 AM (8 years, 11 months ago)

What do you see as the pros and cons of the 1 week consolidation time?

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    #21523841 - 04/09/15 12:00 PM (8 years, 11 months ago)

This really is a cool tek. I need to try it soon.


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    #21524109 - 04/09/15 01:16 PM (8 years, 11 months ago)

wtf is up with these fruits? Some of the caps are kind of falling off if I barely touch them and they're split down the middle so the inside has already been hit with tons of air. I'm really hoping it's not that verticillium shit fucking them up.


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    #21524514 - 04/09/15 02:52 PM (8 years, 11 months ago)

Verticilium. Small malformed grey caps and slumped fruits.

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    #21528438 - 04/10/15 11:54 AM (8 years, 11 months ago)



As you can see fruiting these things like cakes would cause some real space issues if this FC were full.


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    #21528482 - 04/10/15 12:05 PM (8 years, 11 months ago)

Interesting. Do you figure you get less weight fruiting like that too?

Also I tried this updated method with rye berries since that's all I had. Heh, a sticky slop was the outcome, but fuck it, I'm PCing away now and I'll see what happens.

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    #21528533 - 04/10/15 12:19 PM (8 years, 11 months ago)

I've only fruited like that with MS on later flushes so I can't say for sure if the yields are worse or not. I imagine they are close to the same but it's nice to have more controlled fruiting for harvest time.

I've never used rye. Oats, wheat and RGS all work WBS likely would too. Even if your rye turned out sticky it should still work with this tek.


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    #21528656 - 04/10/15 12:55 PM (8 years, 11 months ago)

That's what I'm hoping. The oat groats I used in my first go round came out a sticky mess like this and they all fruited beautifully. The only thing I was worried about is that it was so sticky/sloppy that I couldn't do a proper FC test. But whatever, we'll see.

I'm going to TSC at the end of the month so I can buy some whole oats and hopefully some RGS.

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    #21530595 - 04/10/15 09:28 PM (8 years, 11 months ago)

The glass pint + 1/2 glass bottles are an improvement over the glass quarts.  The cakes only slide out an inch at first, but as you finish the first flush, they can be jostled out (as the cake shrinks).  Still, pp5s are better of course.

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    #21533702 - 04/11/15 03:04 PM (8 years, 11 months ago)

Has anyone used the restaurant soup containers yet? I found some full quart pp5 ones (the lid as well) as well for 65 cents each. It seemed to have a tight seal.


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    #21535598 - 04/12/15 12:52 AM (8 years, 11 months ago)

So the point of tossing the grains in the hot water is to properly hydrate them right? And the other stuff is just to mix up properly so it's evenly distributed when it hits the coir and verm? So if I'm using another grain, such as rye berries (or those damn groats) that turn to mush when prepped with whole oats/RGS instructions, should I just prep rye berries the standard way and then mix them into the regular mixture later?

Sorry if that ran on. I mean like, prep rye berries with RR's prep method and get them ready for a PC cycle. But instead of going to jar and PC, I'd mix them into all the other shit in the tub/bucket/whatever and then jar > PC?

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    #21535609 - 04/12/15 12:58 AM (8 years, 11 months ago)

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So the point of tossing the grains in the hot water is to properly hydrate them right? And the other stuff is just to mix up properly so it's evenly distributed when it hits the coir and verm? So if I'm using another grain, such as rye berries (or those damn groats) that turn to mush when prepped with whole oats/RGS instructions, should I just prep rye berries the standard way and then mix them into the regular mixture later?

Sorry if that ran on. I mean like, prep rye berries with RR's prep method and get them ready for a PC cycle. But instead of going to jar and PC, I'd mix them into all the other shit in the tub/bucket/whatever and then jar > PC?




Can't speak for Muda but if it was me, that's exactly what I'd do.


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    #21535748 - 04/12/15 02:30 AM (8 years, 11 months ago)

Yeah, not sure why I didn't just do that in the first place. I guess I didn't think of the point of him boiling/simmering his grain which I'd assume is to just get them at the proper moisture levels.

Going to do another run like that tomorrow, I think. Just heat up and mix all the other shit in a pot with the water, mix it with the coir and verm, and then hand mix in the grains when it's a bit cooler as to not pop or mush the rye berries.

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    #21536437 - 04/12/15 09:06 AM (8 years, 11 months ago)

yes. You should be able to prep any grain as usual and then just mix it in with the field capacity substrate materials. You can yous the soak/boil water to hydrate the sub materials too because it's all going to get PC'd with this tek.

What Muda has done is figure out a good amount of water to use for the grain, oats in this case, so he can just dump the whole pot in without having to strain and dry the grain separately. With some trial and error, you could do the same for any grain.

One cool thing about this is you have some room for error in the grain prep. If some of the grains pop, it's not a big deal because it's all going to be mixed together anyway. Also, you can make any moisture adjustments to the whole mix right before you put it in jars and the substrate creates a nice buffer for moisture content of the grains.


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    #21536477 - 04/12/15 09:21 AM (8 years, 11 months ago)

:whathesaid: I'll add one more thing. By using my grain water to hydrate the substrate all of the nutrients from the grain make it into the substrate. When you prep your grain using RR'S method. You should still use the grain water to hydrate your sub.


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Re: Updated Bottle Tek [Re: MudaFuka]
    #21537165 - 04/12/15 12:37 PM (8 years, 11 months ago)

Some thoughts on using liquid coffee with this tek:

I have done bottles where I added a pot of coffee with the wbs soak, but didn't add coffee grounds, I used Dex/ME ms lc and first visual signs of recovery is about 4 days. 

I've done the same as above, and after the jars are packed, I've added a couple table spoons of straight black liquid coffee.  Recovery was severely stalled but ultimately a full recovery was made and after 4-6 weeks of consolidation performance was good, I want to say it better than good but I didn't record weights.

I made some with the mudas recommended raw(unspent) coffee grinds and a pot of coffee in the grain soak.  Recovery is severely stalled again.  Usually after lc inoculation and shake you might see 1000 points of recovery, well I'm guestimating I'm seeing about 5-10 points of recovery per jar.  I think I'll let them colonize to 15% and give them a good shake.

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So it seems you can either go with coffee soak or raw coffee grinds (according to muda, and this might be what I do next)
But if you do a coffee soak and grinds(or double up on the coffee in the soak), it could stall the recovery, possibly with potential for greater yield down the line though.

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    #21537476 - 04/12/15 01:55 PM (8 years, 11 months ago)

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:whathesaid: I'll add one more thing. By using my grain water to hydrate the substrate all of the nutrients from the grain make it into the substrate. When you prep your grain using RR'S method. You should still use the grain water to hydrate your sub.




That's a good point I would've overlooked. I think I'll just soak all of the rye with the nutritional ingredients at once, boil and dump straight into the tub of coir and verm, no straining/drying at all.

Can't wait to try this. Going to soak some rye right now for like 10 hours and get it done.

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    #21537488 - 04/12/15 01:58 PM (8 years, 11 months ago)

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    #21537620 - 04/12/15 02:27 PM (8 years, 11 months ago)

I had to halve the recipe since I only have 7 pint PP5s free at the moment. I'm going with the following:

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Rye Berries
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1/2 Cup BRF
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    #21537662 - 04/12/15 02:34 PM (8 years, 11 months ago)

I'm thinking of using a few empty quart jars for this.  Fun

I'd like to use pre-sterilized WBS mixed with properly prepped verm/coir and inoculate with a bit of grain from a fully colonized jar.

What do you folks think?

I understand there is contam risk by winging it in this way, but should be fun regardless.

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Re: Updated Bottle Tek [Re: DirdyD]
    #21537682 - 04/12/15 02:38 PM (8 years, 11 months ago)

If you mix it in a SAB or in front of a hood it should work. Seems like a lot of extra work when you could just mix everything together, sterilise and then inoculate with some colonised grain.


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Re: Updated Bottle Tek [Re: MudaFuka]
    #21537710 - 04/12/15 02:41 PM (8 years, 11 months ago)

Yeah, my PC is just unavailable for a few days.  Otherwise, I'd give it a go.

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Re: Updated Bottle Tek [Re: DirdyD]
    #21537739 - 04/12/15 02:47 PM (8 years, 11 months ago)

Mixing non sterile coir/verm with sterilised grain is really risky but it never hurts to try. Just don't get your hopes up.


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    #21537812 - 04/12/15 03:04 PM (8 years, 11 months ago)

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Has anyone used the restaurant soup containers yet? I found some full quart pp5 ones (the lid as well) as well for 65 cents each. It seemed to have a tight seal.




Yep...have some going right now. My lids weren't even pp5 and they still worked fine.


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Re: Updated Bottle Tek [Re: MudaFuka]
    #21537826 - 04/12/15 03:08 PM (8 years, 11 months ago)

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Mixing non sterile coir/verm with sterilised grain is really risky but it never hurts to try. Just don't get your hopes up.




I did this with heat treated CVG leftover from making tubs and they got maybe 40% and stalled then contaminated. I feel like anything with unsterilized coir in open air is a crapshoot with how dirty the shit is.

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Re: Updated Bottle Tek [Re: stareatclouds]
    #21537865 - 04/12/15 03:19 PM (8 years, 11 months ago)

Is it that much riskier than doing a bulk grow?

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Re: Updated Bottle Tek [Re: DirdyD]
    #21538018 - 04/12/15 03:44 PM (8 years, 11 months ago)

I don't think so, that's why I tried it. I may have just had a bad batch of coir or something. Or maybe my spawn wasn't clean. Others have done it successfully. I'd love to see your results.

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Re: Updated Bottle Tek [Re: stareatclouds]
    #21538043 - 04/12/15 03:49 PM (8 years, 11 months ago)

Sorry, that was meant for Muda. 

What I mean is, is preparing the mix just as I would a sub for a bulk grow that much riskier when growing this way?  Basically just using the bucket tek to prepare the coir/verm for the bottles, just smaller amount, obviously.

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Re: Updated Bottle Tek [Re: DirdyD]
    #21538198 - 04/12/15 04:20 PM (8 years, 11 months ago)

Yes, it's riskier, because with Muda's method you're truly sterilizing and then inoculating in safe conditions and keeping them in sterile conditions as they colonize. If you did it with just a bucket Tek or basic heat treatment, it's much more susceptible to contaminations. The reason you get away with open air with a tub is because all of the grains are colonized and have a jumpstart on anything bad.

I can't tell if you're talking about mixing colonized grain spawn with regular, heat treated CVG or uncolonized, PC'd grain with unsterilized substrate, so sorry if I'm mixing them up.

But as Muda said, don't know why you wouldn't mix it all together, sterilize at once, and then inoculate with whatever down the line in SAB/LFH.

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Re: Updated Bottle Tek [Re: stareatclouds]
    #21538270 - 04/12/15 04:34 PM (8 years, 11 months ago)

The thing that makes what you are talking about so risky is the sterilised/un-colonised grain being mixed with non sterile media. The coir its self is quite contam resistant but any contaminants that might be present in it will readily germinate on the uncolonised grain.


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Re: Updated Bottle Tek [Re: MudaFuka]
    #21538441 - 04/12/15 05:15 PM (8 years, 11 months ago)

These bottles also make a perfect environment for contams...if things weren't sterilized I would think you would run into trouble pretty quick.


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Re: Updated Bottle Tek [Re: MudaFuka]
    #21538602 - 04/12/15 05:55 PM (8 years, 11 months ago)

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The thing that makes what you are talking about so risky is the sterilised/un-colonised grain being mixed with non sterile media. The coir its self is quite contam resistant but any contaminants that might be present in it will readily germinate on the uncolonised grain.




Muda, all the grain would come from and be used only as an inoculant, with the rest consisting of the sub.  Only grain from a fully colonized jar would be used.  Sorry if I wasn't clear.

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Re: Updated Bottle Tek [Re: stareatclouds]
    #21538613 - 04/12/15 05:57 PM (8 years, 11 months ago)

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But as Muda said, don't know why you wouldn't mix it all together, sterilize at once, and then inoculate with whatever down the line in SAB/LFH.




I've already said my PC isn't available at the moment.

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Re: Updated Bottle Tek [Re: DirdyD]
    #21538627 - 04/12/15 06:00 PM (8 years, 11 months ago)

Oh, sorry about that, I missed it. Yeah, if it's fully colonized grain, it'd be fine to try. I asked exactly what you're asking in the old thread and people said it'd be a viable effort. It just didn't work for me, but small sample size, and there's tons of reasons other than the method to account for it's failure.

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Re: Updated Bottle Tek [Re: stareatclouds]
    #21538639 - 04/12/15 06:03 PM (8 years, 11 months ago)

The risk seems about the same to me.

I wonder if you could steam sterilize these by putting them in a pot of boiling water and filling the water up to about 1/3 the way up the jar and putting the lid on.  It would be a good experiment, but it's probably been done before, maybe someone else will speak up.

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Re: Updated Bottle Tek [Re: invitro]
    #21538657 - 04/12/15 06:09 PM (8 years, 11 months ago)

Well he has sterilized and colonized grains already so he'd have to steam sterilize the PP5s full of the substrate, then mix in the grain later. I feel like that'd expose them WAY too long after the steam sterilization and basically undo the process. He'd need a big ass SAB or LFH to evenly mix this all in front of, no?

Maybe he could steam sterilize them altogether and then inoculate with LI, but I doubt that'd have a great success rate since PC goes to like 250F and steam sterilization is like 212F or something.

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Re: Updated Bottle Tek [Re: stareatclouds]
    #21538706 - 04/12/15 06:21 PM (8 years, 11 months ago)

If I do 1-3, which is all I'd do, I'd just prep the sub like I would bulk, clean the jars with various chemicals and finish the process in the SAB.  It's just a little side project, nothing major.

Anywho, I'm just looking for feedback from Muda himself.  One person's feedback is definitely enough for this.  Thanks for y'all's input though.

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Re: Updated Bottle Tek [Re: DirdyD]
    #21538725 - 04/12/15 06:25 PM (8 years, 11 months ago)

Oh shit. Your just spawning to bulk inside a jar that's fine, it's been done and it works. No need for an SAB then.


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Re: Updated Bottle Tek [Re: MudaFuka]
    #21538755 - 04/12/15 06:30 PM (8 years, 11 months ago)

Right on, Muda.

I didn't think to word it like that.  I'll do a search of similar grows and see what turns out.

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Re: Updated Bottle Tek [Re: DirdyD]
    #21538811 - 04/12/15 06:39 PM (8 years, 11 months ago)

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The thing that makes what you are talking about so risky is the sterilised/un-colonised grain being mixed with non sterile media. The coir its self is quite contam resistant but any contaminants that might be present in it will readily germinate on the uncolonised grain.




Muda, all the grain would come from and be used only as an inoculant, with the rest consisting of the sub.  Only grain from a fully colonized jar would be used.  Sorry if I wasn't clear.




That should be fine. Whether you mix spawn and sub together in a tub or a jar makes no difference. If you follow your regular pasteurization process and have 100% colonized grain, you can still mix them together in open air as usual. If this is your plan, I would just mix it all together and then put it in the jars/bottles.

Just keep in mind the guidelines for proper substrate prep. And no need for any special cleaning of the jars the way you are doing this; just wash with soap and water like monotubs.


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Re: Updated Bottle Tek [Re: SpitballJedi]
    #21538919 - 04/12/15 07:06 PM (8 years, 11 months ago)

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    #21538954 - 04/12/15 07:17 PM (8 years, 11 months ago)

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Re: Updated Bottle Tek [Re: SpitballJedi]
    #21539066 - 04/12/15 07:53 PM (8 years, 11 months ago)

Apparently you can steam sterilize quart jars but it takes 8hrs to be effective (says RR).

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    #21539453 - 04/12/15 09:19 PM (8 years, 11 months ago)

Some food for thought about coir and verm. 

I took some powdered verm and some powdered coir and hydrated to field capacity.
10g Verm took ~28ml of water, 10g of coir took 44ml of water.

This suggests that pure coir would be the sub of choice for the bottle tek.  I know it's been said that coir and verm together is the best combo, but it's also been said(as though it were fact) that verm holds way more water than coir, which doesn't hold true for me (I use fine coir in 5kg bricks though which might not be available to most people?)

So... research minded people, I'd like to encourage you to try it with all (fine) coir and see what your results are.

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Re: Updated Bottle Tek [Re: invitro]
    #21539471 - 04/12/15 09:22 PM (8 years, 11 months ago)

remember; the bottles aren't limited by weight, but by volume :super:

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    #21539500 - 04/12/15 09:26 PM (8 years, 11 months ago)

Well, 5g of powdered verm and 5g of powdred coir take almost the exact same space (volume), so... all signs point to coir.

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    #21539732 - 04/12/15 10:04 PM (8 years, 11 months ago)

I've always said coir holds more water. Despite what others have said. My experience has always been that coir holds more. I add verm to keep things fluffy and add a few minerals.


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Re: Updated Bottle Tek [Re: MudaFuka]
    #21539757 - 04/12/15 10:12 PM (8 years, 11 months ago)

I just loaded my PP5s with the new rye attempt. It came out much less sludgy, but I still can't get it to proper FC really. It's still a bit sloppy and sticky, but much better than last time. They're getting PC'd tomorrow morning and inoculated later tomorrow night. I have lots colonizing now so I hope to share some neat results soon!

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Re: Updated Bottle Tek [Re: stareatclouds]
    #21539769 - 04/12/15 10:15 PM (8 years, 11 months ago)

I use probably the finest grade coir out there and it's always fluffy for me.:shrug:

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Re: Updated Bottle Tek [Re: invitro]
    #21540462 - 04/13/15 05:54 AM (8 years, 11 months ago)

Yah coir is pretty fluffy I just prefer the consistency with a bit of verm added. It really don't matter though. Use whatever substrate materials suit you. The difference in performance is really quite small from one substrate to another. I actually just toss in whatever I have handy. I'll be switching to manure and straw soon. Coir is too expensive.


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Re: Updated Bottle Tek [Re: MudaFuka]
    #21544082 - 04/13/15 08:52 PM (8 years, 11 months ago)

Should I shake this??

inoculated this Mudafukan Bottle tek with Grain to Grain

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    #21544187 - 04/13/15 09:15 PM (8 years, 11 months ago)

Your finishing colonization time will probably be about the same either way with or without a shake at this point.

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Re: Updated Bottle Tek [Re: invitro]
    #21544323 - 04/13/15 09:53 PM (8 years, 11 months ago)

I'm probably wrong about this, but I feel like shaking bottles meant for fruiting is not as good at distribution as regular grain jars. We pack them in pretty solid and the shit clumps together easier so I feel like it wouldn't have the intended effect. I wonder if the man himself does so?

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Re: Updated Bottle Tek [Re: stareatclouds]
    #21544326 - 04/13/15 09:55 PM (8 years, 11 months ago)

I found it really hard to break up the colony and decent distribution was near impossible.  Better to shake well at the start and let it go.

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    #21544365 - 04/13/15 10:07 PM (8 years, 11 months ago)

That's what happened with me. If the myc already has a decent hold, it's a huge pain to even try. I just let the shits do their thang.

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    #21544562 - 04/13/15 11:16 PM (8 years, 11 months ago)

I fill the bottles to 75% specifically for ease of shaking, so its easy in that way.  I have huge side pin issues(wide mouth quart) though so I'm not recommending anyone follow in my footsteps. 

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    #21545125 - 04/14/15 05:36 AM (8 years, 11 months ago)

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I found it really hard to break up the colony and decent distribution was near impossible.  Better to shake well at the start and let it go.



:whathesaid: I never shake. I did it a few times early on and was not happy with the results. Even when I was able to break things up enough to speed up colonisation. I wound up with a lot of loose chunks and voids in my substrate. If you do a good job at inoculation. It's a non issue.


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    #21545271 - 04/14/15 07:15 AM (8 years, 11 months ago)

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    #21552568 - 04/15/15 07:10 PM (8 years, 11 months ago)

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I found it really hard to break up the colony and decent distribution was near impossible.  Better to shake well at the start and let it go.



:whathesaid: I never shake. I did it a few times early on and was not happy with the results. Even when I was able to break things up enough to speed up colonisation. I wound up with a lot of loose chunks and voids in my substrate. If you do a good job at inoculation. It's a non issue.




Everything Muda said, plus I'll add this: for reasons unknown when you do a shake it seems like a few grains (wbs) on the very top of the sub simply don't want to colonize, or will colonize half-way.  This doesn't seem to happen when you start with enough inoculant.

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Re: Updated Bottle Tek [Re: invitro]
    #21552875 - 04/15/15 08:28 PM (8 years, 11 months ago)

My PP5s are all colonizing from the top with only a few specks of myc on the sides. I'm sure it's just a hazard of the rye clumping so when I shook, it just bounced around the top mostly. Oh well, I'll expect longer colonization times, but still a decent end product (hopefully).

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    #21552888 - 04/15/15 08:33 PM (8 years, 11 months ago)

Clumping?  Pic?  That shouldn't happen, why is it clumping?

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    #21552916 - 04/15/15 08:40 PM (8 years, 11 months ago)

His rye got sticky when he prepped it. Those will likely take a while to colonise but should still work out in the end.


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Re: Updated Bottle Tek [Re: MudaFuka]
    #21553062 - 04/15/15 09:22 PM (8 years, 11 months ago)

Here's my take on it.
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    #21553496 - 04/15/15 11:49 PM (8 years, 11 months ago)

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His rye got sticky when he prepped it. Those will likely take a while to colonise but should still work out in the end.




Yup. But less sticky than the time before, so progress. Next time I do them I'm just going to skip the boiling altogether. Maybe heated a bit so it might mix easier with the C/V in the tub, but definitely no boiling.

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    #21556359 - 04/16/15 05:24 PM (8 years, 11 months ago)

I have some reishi plates that are ready for transfer. I plan on making a LI and shooting up some pf cakes. I also plan on slurrying these pf cakes to muda bottles. I purchased a bag of oak pellets and a bag of alder pellets the other day. I figure I'll mix the wood pellets 50/50 and add in some hpoo and gypsum for good measure. Anyone know how much slurry I should add to each bottle? Should I adjust water content of substrate accordingly?

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    #21557491 - 04/16/15 09:53 PM (8 years, 11 months ago)

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    #21571720 - 04/20/15 01:13 PM (8 years, 11 months ago)

I estimate (from the AA spec sheet) that you can get 14 quart sized twist-n-loc pp5s into a aa941, can anyone confirm this from experience?

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Re: Updated Bottle Tek [Re: invitro]
    #21577610 - 04/21/15 06:42 PM (8 years, 11 months ago)

My first batch of PE pints are ripping through the sub and nearing 100% in a few of them. I can fit 6 of them perfectly in my 27 quart mini-monos. Hopefully the roof is big enough.

The other batch of Albino AA+ are also starting to pick up (took a bit!). I'm excited! Unfortunately it looks like my quarts are stalling. :frown:


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    #21577641 - 04/21/15 06:49 PM (8 years, 11 months ago)

If they stall but the top is fully colonised. Just fruit them anyway. If the uncolonised portion dose contaminate it shouldn't happen until after the first flush when the sub shrinks away from the sides. I've puled over a dry ounce from subs with uncolonised spots near the bottom.


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Re: Updated Bottle Tek [Re: MudaFuka]
    #21577729 - 04/21/15 07:05 PM (8 years, 11 months ago)

Honestly, they're just not showing really anything at all. I shook one of them up where I saw a few white spots. It actually looks like it could be contaminated already. I'm going to give it another week to see if anything comes up.

I'll try and snap some better pics later of the quarts that are giving me trouble.

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Re: Updated Bottle Tek [Re: stareatclouds]
    #21577766 - 04/21/15 07:14 PM (8 years, 11 months ago)

I've got a few pint pp5s of pan tops going and a couple made with sawdust and Lions mane. I haven't done any with cubes that I can remember.


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    #21579241 - 04/22/15 06:56 AM (8 years, 11 months ago)

Thinking about modding this recipe to work with the following ingredients.

15lbs of Brown Rice

50lbs Wheat Grain

Vermiculite

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Cat food.

25 1 pint ziplock plastic containers and 3 dozen 1/2 pint jars

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3- cups of whole oats.

3- cups of whole wheat.




6 cups Wheat Grain

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1- cup rye grass seed (cheep non coted lawn seed with  no fertilizers added).




Substitute with Brown rice or rice flour?

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1- cup of ground dry dog food.




Cat food or omit

2- cups of vermiculite.

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160-  grams of coir (1/4 brick)




How would you measure this from a 1KG/11LBS XL size coir block? (20 gallons expanded)

How much is this expanded? Possibly replace with vermiculite if I can't figure a way to include coir. 

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1/8- cup of fresh coffee grounds
1/4- cup of gypsum




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3- liters of tap water.

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Re: Updated Bottle Tek [Re: ForgottenFreshness]
    #21579310 - 04/22/15 07:32 AM (8 years, 11 months ago)

For the coir. If you don't have a scale. I would just eyeball a little over an 1/8 of that big brick for a standard recipe. 1/2 that brick will do your 25 pints and 36 1/2 pints. Why are you omitting the gypsum?


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Re: Updated Bottle Tek [Re: MudaFuka]
    #21579342 - 04/22/15 07:45 AM (8 years, 11 months ago)

Reishi on whole brown rice slurried to oats and hardwood pellet mix. I have been using a 60% grain 40% bulk substrate for these bottles. Seems to be a really good balance between the two. What do you think, muda?


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Re: Updated Bottle Tek [Re: insanemike]
    #21579362 - 04/22/15 07:54 AM (8 years, 11 months ago)

Looks good. That sounds like a lot of grain but I have fruited a few species on straight whole oat with good results. Should do fine.


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Re: Updated Bottle Tek [Re: MudaFuka]
    #21579423 - 04/22/15 08:13 AM (8 years, 11 months ago)

Do you have any tips on fruiting reishi out of a bottle? Should I case?

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Re: Updated Bottle Tek [Re: insanemike]
    #21579529 - 04/22/15 08:50 AM (8 years, 11 months ago)

I cased mine with verm and fruited in a mono for the first flush. I left the holes taped until I had a good amount of growth. After that I left the top polly pretty tight. For the second flush I moved them into my GH. They seemed to really like the extra FAE in the GH. I've only had 1 successful reishi grow so I'm far from an expert. My first attempt was in tubs and it dried out when I opened up the holes before pinning.


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Re: Updated Bottle Tek [Re: MudaFuka]
    #21579546 - 04/22/15 08:56 AM (8 years, 11 months ago)

Muda I see you often mention casing with verm.
How's that been working out? Obviously well since you continue using it


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    #21579603 - 04/22/15 09:15 AM (8 years, 11 months ago)

I like it a lot. I don't have to prep it at all. I just scoop it right out of the bag onto my substrate and mist it. It's working for me so far. Some species requiem specific casings like peat moss to fruit. Verm is great for things like cubes that benefit from casing but do not require one.


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    #21579609 - 04/22/15 09:16 AM (8 years, 11 months ago)

How thick do you usually make it?
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    #21579617 - 04/22/15 09:19 AM (8 years, 11 months ago)

pretty thin. No more than 1/4"


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Re: Updated Bottle Tek [Re: MudaFuka]
    #21579644 - 04/22/15 09:26 AM (8 years, 11 months ago)

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I cased mine with verm and fruited in a mono for the first flush. I left the holes taped until I had a good amount of growth. After that I left the top polly pretty tight. For the second flush I moved them into my GH. They seemed to really like the extra FAE in the GH. I've only had 1 successful reishi grow so I'm far from an expert. My first attempt was in tubs and it dried out when I opened up the holes before pinning.




I plan on fruiting mine in my green house. you mentioned that you kept the holes taped up until you had a good amount of growth. Is that necessary or can I just put them in the green house after they've reached full colonization?

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Re: Updated Bottle Tek [Re: insanemike]
    #21579652 - 04/22/15 09:29 AM (8 years, 11 months ago)

I would let them pin inside the bottles a bit before you put them in your GH.


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    #21579686 - 04/22/15 09:39 AM (8 years, 11 months ago)

:super: Thanks, muda.

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Re: Updated Bottle Tek [Re: insanemike]
    #21590621 - 04/24/15 01:34 PM (8 years, 11 months ago)

I saw an ad for this on Craigslist: "free bags of planer chips, sawdust, mixed hardwoods (ash, maple, walnut, cherry, sapele, bubinga)"

Obviously the sawdust would be great, but does anybody know about the other stuff being useful for bottles? I've never used anything but CVG, but am looking to expand, and it seems like a lot of you use wood-based subs for bottle grows.

Also my pints are doing great! The quarts I mentioned earlier def contamed so I dumped them.


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    #21590913 - 04/24/15 02:56 PM (8 years, 11 months ago)

Well stare, if your growing wood lovers, wood would be the most appropriate substrate :wink:. I think you could add just about anything in these bottles that your chosen culture would colonize. That's the exact reason I have headed in this direction, I love experimenting and I love the versitility of these containers. Use your imagination, it's all sterilized anyway.

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    #21591123 - 04/24/15 03:46 PM (8 years, 11 months ago)

Cloud, earlier you said something about taking the cakes out to fruit them.  To which Muda responded the fruits would become cramped.
But.. what if you filled the gaps with coir so that only the top of the cake peeked through.  It might prevent side-pinning and free up your pp5s for re-use.

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Re: Updated Bottle Tek [Re: insanemike]
    #21591453 - 04/24/15 05:00 PM (8 years, 11 months ago)

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Well stare, if your growing wood lovers, wood would be the most appropriate substrate :wink:. I think you could add just about anything in these bottles that your chosen culture would colonize. That's the exact reason I have headed in this direction, I love experimenting and I love the versitility of these containers. Use your imagination, it's all sterilized anyway.




I legit don't know what half of those woods are or how they'll come as the CL listing didn't say so. Just curious if anyone has direct experience with them as I know a lot of species love/hate certain types.

invitro,

I could definitely do that. It may be worth a try just for fun!

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    #21591538 - 04/24/15 05:15 PM (8 years, 11 months ago)

Stare, in order to reduce the amount of space between each cake, flip half of them upside down so the fat part is on the bottom of half of them, you know what I mean, then they will fit in tight.

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    #21592028 - 04/24/15 07:05 PM (8 years, 11 months ago)

Stare, anything hardwood; oak, beech, alder are the most popular. I am currently using a mix I created that contains 40lbs of the cheap feul pellets mixed with 20lbs of oak pellets and 20lbs of alder pellets. My shiitake are eating it right up. These are 6 days old.



I also have 8 reishi bottles colonizing with another 16 being PC'd as I type. After 3 days, the first 8 reishi bottles are starting to recover.

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    #21592142 - 04/24/15 07:34 PM (8 years, 11 months ago)

Do you use the Traeger wood pellets?


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Re: Updated Bottle Tek [Re: insanemike]
    #21592145 - 04/24/15 07:35 PM (8 years, 11 months ago)

Sweet. I'll probably grab the sawdust for sure and ask what size the wood chips are. I'd assume ideal is pretty dang small.

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    #21592195 - 04/24/15 07:48 PM (8 years, 11 months ago)

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Do you use the Traeger wood pellets?




I can't remember what they were called, so maybe. I purchased the 20lbs bags from a local hardware store, they were meant for smoking. I was waiting to come across real hardwood sawdust pellets and when I did, I snatched them up. They were sorta pricey but I had a cheap 40lb bag of fuel pellets lying around and said what the hell, lets stretch it.

I had those shittake dowels in the fridge so long that they completely devoured the dowels. Here I thought the shape of the dowel was poking out in various spots but when I opened the bag to inoculate with, I found they were actually primordia growing. So I made 3 muda bottles and made 6 pasty plates. The plates are looking good so far, nice thick growth.

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    #21592247 - 04/24/15 07:58 PM (8 years, 11 months ago)

Sweet man. I have shiitake 75 dowels in the fridge that were starting to form that bark.

I bought Traeger "virgin" Oak pellets from ace for $20. I couldn't find the hardwood fuel kind. Just curious if you'd tried them. Probably gonna try some reishi in pint pp5 bottles.


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    #21592287 - 04/24/15 08:07 PM (8 years, 11 months ago)

Yeah. I believe those are the oak pellets I purchased, same hardware store where you got yours. They had alder pellets also. I got mine on sale for $16 per 20lb bag. The 40lb bag of fuel pellets were from tractor supply for $4.

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    #21592608 - 04/24/15 09:30 PM (8 years, 11 months ago)

When doing those shiitake bottles how long do you let them consolidate? And are you going to fruit in a monotub?


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    #21592735 - 04/24/15 09:40 PM (8 years, 11 months ago)

I was planning on consolidating them for a month or two in a refrigerator before putting them into my green house.

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    #21592851 - 04/24/15 10:02 PM (8 years, 11 months ago)

I'm assuming that negates the need for a cold shock?


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    #21592887 - 04/24/15 10:10 PM (8 years, 11 months ago)

:lol: it's a long cold shock.

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    #21593083 - 04/24/15 11:05 PM (8 years, 11 months ago)

:super: Have you grown shiitake this way before?


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    #21593791 - 04/25/15 06:05 AM (8 years, 11 months ago)

Nah. I've never grown them before. What I was thinking was that I cannot keep temps low enough to fruit them so why not leave them in the fridge until they begin to fruit. I left the colonized dowels that these bottles were inoculated with in the refrigerator for 6 months and they began to develop mushrooms. If anyone has any suggestions, I'm all ears.

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    #21593865 - 04/25/15 06:56 AM (8 years, 11 months ago)

Are you aware of the source of your genetics?  Not all species of Shiitake are exclusive to fruiting in 50F weather.  Some varieties of Shiitake will fruit in the 65-70F temp range. 

The reason your dowels developed mushrooms in the fridge after being in there for 6 months was NOT due to the climate, but rather over-incubation of the substrate.


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    #21593991 - 04/25/15 07:50 AM (8 years, 10 months ago)

Thanks for the info, hamloaf. They're a cool weather strain. I purchased the plugs to noc up some logs outside but didn't need all of them so I left them in the refrigerator. I left them in the refrigerator because I didn't know if I could grow them in doors because of the fruiting temps. I needed the space inside my cooler recently so I figured lets give it a shot.

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    #21598338 - 04/26/15 08:52 AM (8 years, 10 months ago)



These are reishi bottles that I noc'd up with whole brown rice slurry 5 days ago. Yesterday these bottles were nowhere near this colonized. As in, a few spots here and there were white. Muda, what has been your average colonization time for reishi in these containers?

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    #21598568 - 04/26/15 10:28 AM (8 years, 10 months ago)

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    #21598657 - 04/26/15 10:55 AM (8 years, 10 months ago)

:flyhigh:

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    #21598866 - 04/26/15 11:55 AM (8 years, 10 months ago)

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    #21628636 - 05/03/15 02:05 AM (8 years, 10 months ago)

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These are reishi bottles that I noc'd up with whole brown rice slurry 5 days ago. Yesterday these bottles were nowhere near this colonized. As in, a few spots here and there were white. Muda, what has been your average colonization time for reishi in these containers?



I've never done reishi in PP5s. I just harvested a few qt bottles of reishi but I didn't weigh my harvest.


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    #21629031 - 05/03/15 07:49 AM (8 years, 10 months ago)

:flyhigh:

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    #21629035 - 05/03/15 07:51 AM (8 years, 10 months ago)

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    #21630728 - 05/03/15 03:58 PM (8 years, 10 months ago)

Muda, (or anyone else doing these bottles), about when do you normally expect to see some bottles get lost to trich?  Like after 2nd or 3rd flush how many bottles would you expect to loose?  Just curious to know what the norm is.

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    #21630782 - 05/03/15 04:18 PM (8 years, 10 months ago)

I've lost all my bottles after the second flush so far, but they've put out so much in the first two that the sub is trashed.


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    #21630790 - 05/03/15 04:21 PM (8 years, 10 months ago)

I've had a few trich out before the first flush. I'm assuming that was just a dirty LI. Normally I see trich in a few jars after the second and a few more after or during the third flush. My fruiting area is very dirty though (I have left a few too many moldy subs sitting around). Most people probably wont have mold problems as quickly as I do. Most of my bottles have produced well over an ounce after 2 flushes. So I'm cool with tossing them after the second.


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Re: Updated Bottle Tek [Re: MudaFuka]
    #21631212 - 05/03/15 06:23 PM (8 years, 10 months ago)

My contam rate is about like yours Muda, I did some bottles without coffee (ms) but with coffee soak and the yields (roughly) have been about .75 ounces per bottle through 2nd and part of 3rd flush.  It's hard to tell where the flushes are to be honest.  Gotta try coffee grains some time for better yield, hard to draw any conclusions with ms though.  I'm happy overall, especially with the ability to remove a single contamed bottle and not loose the tub.

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Re: Updated Bottle Tek [Re: invitro]
    #21631261 - 05/03/15 06:37 PM (8 years, 10 months ago)

Most of my pints are ready so I think I'll fruit them tonight.

Muda, A few parts of the bottoms are slow to catch up. If they haven't stalled, but are maybe 90% done (with maybe a bottom corner the only uncolonized part), do you ever just fruit them anyway? I know you said you do when they stall.

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Re: Updated Bottle Tek [Re: stareatclouds]
    #21631545 - 05/03/15 07:44 PM (8 years, 10 months ago)

Invitro- It sounds like you are growing MS. My yields are lower and my flushes are very undefined with MS. This tek works best with a clone or isolate.

Stare- Yes if there is a portion of the bottom that is slow to colonise I just fruit it anyway.


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Re: Updated Bottle Tek [Re: MudaFuka]
    #21634394 - 05/04/15 11:46 AM (8 years, 10 months ago)

Is this tek possible with grain flour instead of whole grains?

I basically want to do a pf tek with coir instead of verm and this is the closest proven successful tek to what I want to a coir pf tek. 

In fact this is one of the only teks I have found using sterilized coir, which I like because I am afraid of trich contamination


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Re: Updated Bottle Tek [Re: Jerome09]
    #21634433 - 05/04/15 11:56 AM (8 years, 10 months ago)

Yah flour works. I made a few with oats and wheat that I ground into flour. They did fine.


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