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Re: Can Someone Help Me Figure Out The State of the Union Address? [Re: zappaisgod]
    #21179329 - 01/26/15 01:58 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

Pick one of your choice from the "they all say the same thing" link.


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Re: Can Someone Help Me Figure Out The State of the Union Address? [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #21179418 - 01/26/15 02:15 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

No, you pick one Lay Z Boy


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Re: Can Someone Help Me Figure Out The State of the Union Address? [Re: zappaisgod]
    #21184559 - 01/27/15 12:43 AM (9 years, 2 months ago)

How about Fox News?
Quote:

Tax hikes, to pay for tax cuts: The centerpiece of the president's tax proposal is an increase in the capital gains rate on couples making more than $500,000 per year to 28 percent, the same level as under President Ronald Reagan.




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Re: Can Someone Help Me Figure Out The State of the Union Address? [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #21184965 - 01/27/15 05:06 AM (9 years, 2 months ago)

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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
I just posted an example showing you falsely accusing me of lying, so obviously I didn't mean "never", which means you've just been caught in yet ANOTHER lie.  :shake:




Perhaps you should read it again.

Your comprehension is a poor as your truthfulness.

The lie was your claim of what I said. This was not what I said:
Quote:

You seriously think that paying people less will improve the economy?!?!?




The fabrication was the lie. Beclowning yourself doesn't help. Attributing statements never made doesn't help you in any way.


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You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. What one person receives without working for another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for that my dear friend is the beginning of the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it. ~ Adrian Rogers

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Re: Can Someone Help Me Figure Out The State of the Union Address? [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #21185608 - 01/27/15 09:43 AM (9 years, 2 months ago)

The Republicans don't have an economic plan that doesn't presuppose a wartorn pre-industrial world.


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Re: Can Someone Help Me Figure Out The State of the Union Address? [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #21186104 - 01/27/15 11:43 AM (9 years, 2 months ago)

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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
How about Fox News?
Quote:

Tax hikes, to pay for tax cuts: The centerpiece of the president's tax proposal is an increase in the capital gains rate on couples making more than $500,000 per year to 28 percent, the same level as under President Ronald Reagan.






At what point have I ever said I give a shit about FoxNews?  Find it in the speech.  I couldn't.

By the way, nothing he is proposing has a prayer of getting passed.  He is demagogeing once again.


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Re: Can Someone Help Me Figure Out The State of the Union Address? [Re: zappaisgod]
    #21186601 - 01/27/15 01:51 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

To put the GOP on record for being against inspiring and progressive legislation and ideas.


Let's be real, yeah, Obama is done. He's lame duck status and the GOP doesn't even have anything they want to pass, except to create 40 jobs, apparently. He's a mouthpiece for the Dems, 2016 will be centered around inequality, and the Democrats want to make sure of that.


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Re: Can Someone Help Me Figure Out The State of the Union Address? [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #21186628 - 01/27/15 01:58 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

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luvdemshrooms said:
The lie was your claim of what I said. This was not what I said:
Quote:

You seriously think that paying people less will improve the economy?!?!?




Attributing statements never made doesn't help you in any way.



You said you think the minimum wage should be eliminated to improve the economy, and you agreed that eliminating minimum wage would lead to some people making less.  When I asked how paying people less would improve the economy, you said you never said that.

Grow up.


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Re: Can Someone Help Me Figure Out The State of the Union Address? [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #21186733 - 01/27/15 02:20 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

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To put the GOP on record for being against inspiring and progressive legislation and ideas.




The GOP is already on record opposing all of his socialist bullshit.  That's why the got elected
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Let's be real, yeah, Obama is done. He's lame duck status and the GOP doesn't even have anything they want to pass, except to create 40 jobs, apparently. He's a mouthpiece for the Dems, 2016 will be centered around inequality, and the Democrats want to make sure of that.




Too bad they can't run on that since they have overseen it's rise.


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Re: Can Someone Help Me Figure Out The State of the Union Address? [Re: zappaisgod]
    #21186754 - 01/27/15 02:25 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

Yes and every voter will deduce that.


And the GOP got elected by the majority. The majority want things like marriage equality, raising taxes on the rich, a minimum wage increase, the regulation of carbon emissions, etc.

You know, all the things the GOP can't oppose loud enough.


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Re: Can Someone Help Me Figure Out The State of the Union Address? [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #21186776 - 01/27/15 02:28 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

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Yes and every voter will deduce that.




Every voter will deduce that the Dems caused more income inequality?  The poodle press will never let that happen
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And the GOP got elected by the majority. The majority want things like marriage equality, raising taxes on the rich, a minimum wage increase, the regulation of carbon emissions, etc.

You know, all the things the GOP can't oppose loud enough.




I don't think you have any kind of understanding of what the majority wants


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Re: Can Someone Help Me Figure Out The State of the Union Address? [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #21186865 - 01/27/15 02:44 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
Quote:

luvdemshrooms said:
The lie was your claim of what I said. This was not what I said:
Quote:

You seriously think that paying people less will improve the economy?!?!?




Attributing statements never made doesn't help you in any way.



You said you think the minimum wage should be eliminated to improve the economy, and you agreed that eliminating minimum wage would lead to some people making less.  When I asked how paying people less would improve the economy, you said you never said that.

Grow up.




I did years ago when I was taught not to lie. Long before my school years started.You should give it a try.


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Re: Can Someone Help Me Figure Out The State of the Union Address? [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #21186875 - 01/27/15 02:45 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

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And the GOP got elected by the majority. The majority want things like marriage equality, raising taxes on the rich, a minimum wage increase, the regulation of carbon emissions, etc.

You know, all the things the GOP can't oppose loud enough.




And yet, the voters elected them. Perhaps they don't want what you think they want.


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Re: Can Someone Help Me Figure Out The State of the Union Address? [Re: zappaisgod] * 2
    #21186921 - 01/27/15 02:54 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

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Every voter will deduce that the Dems caused more income inequality?  The poodle press will never let that happen




I was being sarcastic.

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zappaisgod said:

I don't think you have any kind of understanding of what the majority wants




Gay marriage, 55%:
http://www.gallup.com/poll/169640/sex-marriage-support-reaches-new-high.aspx

Raising taxes on the rich, 64%:
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/polls-show-longtime-support-for-tax-hikes-on-rich/

Minimum wage increase, 54%:
http://www.people-press.org/2014/01/23/most-see-inequality-growing-but-partisans-differ-over-solutions/

Regulating carbon emissions, 70%:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-fix/wp/2014/06/02/a-huge-majority-of-americans-support-regulating-carbon-from-power-plants-and-theyre-even-willing-to-pay-for-it/



It must be a strange feeling to be so confidently uninformed.


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Re: Can Someone Help Me Figure Out The State of the Union Address? [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #21186931 - 01/27/15 02:55 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

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luvdemshrooms said:
Quote:

The Ecstatic said:
And the GOP got elected by the majority. The majority want things like marriage equality, raising taxes on the rich, a minimum wage increase, the regulation of carbon emissions, etc.

You know, all the things the GOP can't oppose loud enough.




And yet, the voters elected them. Perhaps they don't want what you think they want.




Perhaps we live in a Republic.


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Re: Can Someone Help Me Figure Out The State of the Union Address? [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #21191389 - 01/28/15 12:39 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

Abandon ship!

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Re: Can Someone Help Me Figure Out The State of the Union Address? [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #21192002 - 01/28/15 02:56 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

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The Ecstatic said:
Quote:

zappaisgod said:

Every voter will deduce that the Dems caused more income inequality?  The poodle press will never let that happen




I was being sarcastic.

Quote:

zappaisgod said:

I don't think you have any kind of understanding of what the majority wants




Gay marriage, 55%:
http://www.gallup.com/poll/169640/sex-marriage-support-reaches-new-high.aspx




http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-fix/post/why-does-gay-marriage-keep-losing-at-the-ballot-box/2012/05/09/gIQAzhlNDU_blog.html

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Why does gay marriage keep losing at the ballot box?




Odd isn't it?
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Raising taxes on the rich, 64%:
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/polls-show-longtime-support-for-tax-hikes-on-rich/





Everybody always favors raising taxes on the other guy. 
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Minimum wage increase, 54%:
http://www.people-press.org/2014/01/23/most-see-inequality-growing-but-partisans-differ-over-solutions/




Let them do it by state. 
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Regulating carbon emissions, 70%:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-fix/wp/2014/06/02/a-huge-majority-of-americans-support-regulating-carbon-from-power-plants-and-theyre-even-willing-to-pay-for-it/




No they aren't

http://www.forbes.com/sites/jeffmcmahon/2015/01/01/americans-favor-epa-regulation-over-carbon-tax-or-cap-and-trade/

Quote:

“People view this as EPA’s power to regulate the environment, and carbon is one of those things. People accept that, but [they’re not willing to do the things they would have to do need to do at a personal consumption level, such as pay a higher gas price, pay a higher electricity price, and I think they just do not see the connection between cap and trade and energy.”
Ansobelere conducted a meta-analysis of 25 surveys of Americans and found that:

75 to 80 percent of Americans favor EPA regulation of greenhouse gas emissions
45 to 55 percent favor cap and trade
25 to 45 percent favor a carbon tax




As soon as the question makes clear that it will cost them money they step back.
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It must be a strange feeling to be so confidently uninformed.




It must feel strange getting your ass kicked by the uninformed on a regular basis.


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Re: Can Someone Help Me Figure Out The State of the Union Address? [Re: zappaisgod]
    #21192090 - 01/28/15 03:16 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

I claimed the majority supports those four positions. And they do. Period.


Insert two quarters to play again.


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Re: Can Someone Help Me Figure Out The State of the Union Address? [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #21192536 - 01/28/15 04:49 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

I ask again, how come gay marriage consistently loses at the ballot box?

In re taxing the rich I responded everybody supports taxing the other guy.  I'm surprised it was so low.

They do not support paying for carbon restrictions

Let the states raise the minimum wage.  There is no reason whatsoever for a federal minimum wage.  States are perfectly able to do so on their own.  If NY wants to fuck itself I don't see why Iowa should have to.  Hell, the governor of NY wants to have two minimum wages.  One for NYC and another for the rest of the state.


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Re: Can Someone Help Me Figure Out The State of the Union Address? [Re: zappaisgod]
    #21194289 - 01/28/15 10:10 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

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I ask again, how come gay marriage consistently loses at the ballot box?



It's gaining support over time.  Today, it would win in most states.

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zappaisgod said:
In re taxing the rich I responded everybody supports taxing the other guy.  I'm surprised it was so low.



It's been pointed out to you time and time again that there are a ton of liberal billionaires (Buffet, Gates, etc) who favor tax increases.

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They do not support paying for carbon restrictions



They favor regulating carbon emissions, which was the original claim.

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Let the states raise the minimum wage.  There is no reason whatsoever for a federal minimum wage.



Too bad you're in the 30% minority that feels that way.

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It must feel strange getting your ass kicked by the uninformed on a regular basis.



That wasn't an ass kicking.  That was a :failboat:


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