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travelleler
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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: ShroomDoom]
#21041367 - 12/29/14 08:52 PM (9 years, 2 months ago) |
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travelleler said: I'd like to understand the extraction better--- would a FASA be better than this tek??
Nobody does FASA for mescaline afaik. I think you may have problems getting it to precipitate out of the nonpolar like that esp if it's not anhydrous. You can crash it out of saturated mesc sulfate solution and acetone in the freezer as detailed in the dual solvent re-x thread on the Nexus. The teks I mentioned earlier in this thread are good too; just standard a/b or stb and then titrate to the proper concentration with an acid solution. This thread needs modifications to the original tek but it can work if you tweak it properly.
results were unreliable-- too much acid in end product as you've said.
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Edited by travelleler (07/20/16 09:03 AM)
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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: travelleler]
#21042266 - 12/30/14 12:31 AM (9 years, 2 months ago) |
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you can get pH strips for cheap. y not just test pH so you don't use too much?
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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: SurReality]
#21042759 - 12/30/14 06:53 AM (9 years, 2 months ago) |
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SurReality said: you can get pH strips for cheap. y not just test pH so you don't use too much?
That is exactly what should be done. Use full range 2-14 strips not pool or aquarium strips.
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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: ShroomDoom]
#21043258 - 12/30/14 09:59 AM (9 years, 2 months ago) |
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and adjust the water solution to what number? Citric acid is concentrated and the acid solution needed is not large 2g seems like a "rule of thumb" sort of number when you consider the process at work...
and cold-crashing the product sound way better than evap anyway. My only other angle of inquiry besides ph numbers is about the acetone, couldn't a USP solvent like ethyl (ethane, ether, ethanol) rather than the ketone/acetone??
i'd be willing to try it but i've got no cactus right now
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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: travelleler]
#21043365 - 12/30/14 10:33 AM (9 years, 2 months ago) |
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Unfortunately its been about 6 years since I've logged on so I had to create a new account. Take my word on this..... if you follow these directions to a "T" you will get exactly what it claims. YES! you do have to tweak it a bit but its in obvious ways. Like for example you may need to add more base and less marital. That was my only issue. Peace.
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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: travelleler]
#21043741 - 12/30/14 12:12 PM (9 years, 2 months ago) |
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travelleler said: and adjust the water solution to what number? Citric acid is concentrated and the acid solution needed is not large 2g seems like a "rule of thumb" sort of number when you consider the process at work...
You would salt with your acid solution by mixing it with the nonpolar then after they separate with a pippette drip some of the acid solution on ph strips. If it's 7 or higher add little more dilute acid then test again. If its 5-6 stop , you've titrated it to the proper concentration. Any lower and you will pull crap from the nonpolar and leave excess acid.
2 grams is not a very good rule of thumb since excess citric acid does not evaporate away , more like 400-600 mg in 120mls of water. No way you are pulling 2 grams of alkaloids from your first pull unless you are using a shitload of potent cactus. At least with hcl acid it will evap away if you fuck up and add too much. I would add .5grams of citric per pull and no more but even that adds excess acid if your nonpolar contains less than 500 mg of alkaloids like in later pulls or with weak cactus.
As far as alternatives to acetone for crashing out, you could probably use hot DI water and ethanol with mesc sulfate to re-x in the freezer since it is insoluble in cold water. I don't think this works with any other salt form, sulfate only.
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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: ShroomDoom]
#21098537 - 01/10/15 07:12 PM (9 years, 2 months ago) |
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Sweet,thanks for this.
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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: ShroomDoom]
#21447644 - 03/23/15 03:10 PM (9 years, 8 days ago) |
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Man this blows
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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: DnBpLuS83]
#21450042 - 03/24/15 06:51 AM (9 years, 7 days ago) |
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i got a small peyote cactus can I just let it dry out, shredd it into powder and eat it?
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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: Zarotti]
#21450171 - 03/24/15 08:22 AM (9 years, 7 days ago) |
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As long as it's around 30 grams dried. Or extremely potent.
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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: DnBpLuS83]
#21450186 - 03/24/15 08:30 AM (9 years, 7 days ago) |
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I swear by this tek 100%. I had taken a 7 year hiatus and now I'm back. I am very disappointed with the vendors now days. SWIM use to get 2+ grams of citrate salt from 100 Dried grams. So far over the past month SWIM has used 3 different vendors, some sponsored by SHROOMERY and SWIM is EXTREMELY disappointed. Not even a half gram
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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: DnBpLuS83]
#21474576 - 03/29/15 01:24 PM (9 years, 2 days ago) |
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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: SurReality]
#21594538 - 04/25/15 10:53 AM (8 years, 10 months ago) |
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? Question ?
is it likely that the fine powder that is resting directly above cacti/lye/water mixture and of bottom to the xylene be mescaline i am after?
the weather dropped in temperature much. having read of one putting the water from xylene pull into fridge to precipitate has me thinking that is what gone happened.
who knows?
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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: DnBpLuS83]
#21647940 - 05/07/15 07:19 AM (8 years, 10 months ago) |
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DnBpLuS83 said: I swear by this tek 100%. I had taken a 7 year hiatus and now I'm back. I am very disappointed with the vendors now days. SWIM use to get 2+ grams of citrate salt from 100 Dried grams. So far over the past month SWIM has used 3 different vendors, some sponsored by SHROOMERY and SWIM is EXTREMELY disappointed. Not even a half gram
yaah you use to get 2+ grams of citrate because you are adding in at least 2 grams of citric acid per pull and it doesn't evaporate lol. No wonder your yields were so high.
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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: ShroomDoom]
#21648040 - 05/07/15 07:52 AM (8 years, 10 months ago) |
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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: ShroomDoom]
#21724266 - 05/26/15 10:08 AM (8 years, 9 months ago) |
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Lol. When did I EVER SAY I used 2 grams PER PULL.I would mic my citric/water solution and use 2-3 table spoons. I would get like 2-3 pulls (2-3 quarts pee pull of solvent)
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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: DnBpLuS83]
#21724284 - 05/26/15 10:13 AM (8 years, 9 months ago) |
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I've graduated from this tel though. Now I'm getting 2.5-3g of HCL. I wish to god I could figure out how to upload these damn pictures to prove it.
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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: 04281969]
#23434858 - 07/12/16 12:43 PM (7 years, 8 months ago) |
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New here to the forums. This is the forum that inspired me to register and check more out. I am interested in using this method to extract it. I basically just took this simple tech and added more specific tools, measurements and durations to it. Would like feedback and see if it works before I attempt to buy all this stuff and try it myself:
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Step 1: Extraction
1A -Take a three 1/3 cup Dry Measuring Cups and fill each cup with Lye(sodium hydroxide), which is approx. 300g of Lye.
1B - Fill three PYREX 2000ml Beakers with 1000ml Water.
1C - Add the lye into the water beakers – one 1/3 cup for each beaker.
1D - Use a Glass Mixing Rod to mix the lye with water.
1E - Let the the lye/water solution cool down.
1F - Once cool, pour all three PYREX 2000ml Beakers of lye/water into into Glass Gallon Jug
1G - Take one 2/3 cup Dry Measuring Cup and fill it with Ground Cactus Powder
1H - Pour the Ground Cactus Powder into the Glass Gallon Jug using a Generic Funnel
1I - Seal the Glass Gallon Jug and shake, roll, and mix contents well.
1J - Fill a PYREX 1000ml Beaker with Xylene
1K - Unseal the Glass Gallon Jug and pour the Xylene into it using a Glass Funnel
1L - Seal the Glass Gallon Jug and shake, roll, and mix contents well
1M - Mix the contents well in the Glass Gallon Jug approx. 8 times(about every 2 hours) in a 24 hour period. This allows the lye to breakdown the cactus substances.
1N - Let the Glass Gallon Jug sit, allowing the contents to separate into layers.
Step 2: Salt
2A - Take a PYREX 150ml Beaker and fill it with 120ml of Distilled Water
2B - Fill a ½ Teaspoon Measuring Spoon with Citric Acid
2C - Pour Citric Acid into PYREX 150ml Beaker with the Distilled Water
2D - Use a Glass Mixing Rod to mix the the Citric Acid with the Distilled water. Mix well. This is your Acid Water.
2E - Collect the top layer(the Xylene layer) of liquid from the Glass Gallon Jug using a Glass Turkey Baster
2F - Squeeze the Xylene liquid from the Glass Turkey Baster into a 1000ml Volumetric Flask
2G - Add approximately 24ml(approx. One-fifth) of the Acid Water to the 1000ml Volumetric Flask filled with Xylene 2H - Put the lid on the 1000ml Volumetric Flask and shake it up a few times, and then wait a few minutes for the liquid contents to settle, and separate into layers.
2I - Use a Pipette, Serological, 10 ml x 0.1 ml and Pipette Pump, 10 ml capacity to collect the bottom water from the 1000ml Volumetric Flask
2J - Carefully eject the water from the Pipette, Serological, 10 ml x 0.1 ml into a 200ml Evaporation Dish
2K - Fill a PYREX 1000ml Beaker with Xylene
2L - Unseal the Glass Gallon Jug and pour the Xylene into it using a Glass Funnel
2M - Seal the Glass Gallon Jug and shake, roll, and mix contents well
2N - Mix the contents well in the Glass Gallon Jug approx. 8 times(about every 2 hours) in a 24 hour period. This allows the lye to breakdown the cactus substances.
2O - Repeat steps 2A – 2N 5 times.
Step 3: Evaporation
3A – Pour liquid from Evaporation Dish into a Flat-bottomed PYREX Dish
3B – Let the liquid in the Flat-bottomed PYREX Dish sit under a Desk Fan in a mild temperature/low humidity environment for 3 days, until dry.
3C – Take a Razor Blade and carefully scrape the contents of the Flat-bottomed PYREX Dish
The end result should look something like this:
“Makes 3-10 doses depending on potency of cactus and dosage desired.”
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travelleler
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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: akitorex13]
#23458779 - 07/20/16 08:18 AM (7 years, 8 months ago) |
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So what are you asking?
do you think the thread would be 45 pages long if it didn't work?
honestly though, processing cactus like this could be real dangerous for some people. If you're not a chemist or don't have a safe and secure workshop with proper ventilation and fire control equipment you might want to look into the more traditional methods of brewing cactus.
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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: travelleler]
#23458940 - 07/20/16 09:14 AM (7 years, 8 months ago) |
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Also, this citrate tek is a lil-bit extreme chemistry wise for the at home shamanist. It's great for education because you cant get alkaloids out of almost any plant that has them with this A/B method. Things have been done this way for like 1000 years or more. But at the risk of adding more apprentice ghosts to the guild of souls, all the stuff in the recipe is very flammable or extremely caustic.
if you want a safer method I'd recommend you look up 69ron's D-limonene/vinegar method (at the Nexus) for mescaline acetate. It requires NO concentrated acids and NO hydrocarbon solvents. In fact everything used in the tek is FOOD GRADE. as it should be.
once again, if you came here to ask us if the tek works you probably shouldn't do it. Xylene is a nasty chem and spilling almost any of the liquids in this recipe on your skin will burn and cause irritation.
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Edited by travelleler (07/20/16 09:17 AM)
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