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 The Ecstatic
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 Re: The real racial bias: Cops more willing to shoot whites than blacks  [Re: zappaisgod]
#21129028 - 01/16/15 12:33 PM (9 years, 2 months ago) |
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You can say blacks are more prone to violence. I can say poverty directly correlates with crime moreso than race.
Neither can empiricallly prove what millions of people are predisposed to thinking or doing.
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Re: The real racial bias: Cops more willing to shoot whites than blacks [Re: The Ecstatic]
#21129075 - 01/16/15 12:41 PM (9 years, 2 months ago) |
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You can say blacks are more prone to violence. I can say poverty directly correlates with crime moreso than race.
More so? LinkQuote:
Neither can empiricallly prove what millions of people are predisposed to thinking or doing.
I do believe that is the basis of statistical analysis. They use it regularly in the socials sciences and in medicine. It it is also a cornerstone of physics. See Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle. It is all about probablity
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Re: The real racial bias: Cops more willing to shoot whites than blacks [Re: The Ecstatic]
#21129100 - 01/16/15 12:46 PM (9 years, 2 months ago) |
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You can say blacks are more prone to violence. I can say poverty directly correlates with crime moreso than race.
Maybe being more prone towards crime and violence leads to poverty.
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Re: The real racial bias: Cops more willing to shoot whites than blacks [Re: qman]
#21129106 - 01/16/15 12:47 PM (9 years, 2 months ago) |
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Maybe being more prone towards crime and violence leads to poverty.
Bingo! we have a winner.
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Re: The real racial bias: Cops more willing to shoot whites than blacks [Re: Stonehenge]
#21129110 - 01/16/15 12:47 PM (9 years, 2 months ago) |
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Indeed it might.
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Re: The real racial bias: Cops more willing to shoot whites than blacks [Re: qman]
#21129157 - 01/16/15 12:56 PM (9 years, 2 months ago) |
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The Ecstatic said:
You can say blacks are more prone to violence. I can say poverty directly correlates with crime moreso than race.
Maybe being more prone towards crime and violence leads to poverty.
No.
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Re: The real racial bias: Cops more willing to shoot whites than blacks [Re: The Ecstatic]
#21129161 - 01/16/15 12:57 PM (9 years, 2 months ago) |
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Yeah black people were rich before one day they all decided to start doing things poor people the world over do.
Y'all are geniuses.
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Re: The real racial bias: Cops more willing to shoot whites than blacks [Re: The Ecstatic]
#21129191 - 01/16/15 01:05 PM (9 years, 2 months ago) |
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Is it your opinion that having an arrest record is not detrimental to economic success?
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Re: The real racial bias: Cops more willing to shoot whites than blacks [Re: zappaisgod]
#21129307 - 01/16/15 01:32 PM (9 years, 2 months ago) |
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Is it your opinion that having an arrest record is not detrimental to economic success?
Don't even try to backdoor your way into proving Alan's ridiculous assertion.
If you're gonna claim that black people are poor because they're criminals (or any race for that matter), you're gonna have to show me a group of people that were once economically successful, then decided to resort to crime.
This is very basic shit, well, for humans. Decisions are based on risk versus reward. If you have the rewards, there's no reason to take the risk.
Poor people commit crimes because they're poor and need to take more risks, criminals being poor does nothing to prove otherwise.
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Re: The real racial bias: Cops more willing to shoot whites than blacks [Re: The Ecstatic]
#21129346 - 01/16/15 01:44 PM (9 years, 2 months ago) |
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Denying concensus science, just another day on the shroomery...
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Re: The real racial bias: Cops more willing to shoot whites than blacks [Re: The Ecstatic]
#21129507 - 01/16/15 02:32 PM (9 years, 2 months ago) |
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A criminal record is detrimental to ones future earnings potential. People would rather not hire convicts. Ergo being a convict is detrimental to ones earning potential. Ergo being a fucking asshole and an idiot is likely to result in diminished earnings
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Re: The real racial bias: Cops more willing to shoot whites than blacks [Re: zappaisgod]
#21129522 - 01/16/15 02:36 PM (9 years, 2 months ago) |
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A criminal record is detrimental to ones future earnings potential. People would rather not hire convicts. Ergo being a convict is detrimental to ones earning potential. Ergo being a fucking asshole and an idiot is likely to result in diminished earnings
No one is disputing that.
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Re: The real racial bias: Cops more willing to shoot whites than blacks [Re: The Ecstatic] 1
#21129627 - 01/16/15 02:57 PM (9 years, 2 months ago) |
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The Ecstatic said:
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A criminal record is detrimental to ones future earnings potential. People would rather not hire convicts. Ergo being a convict is detrimental to ones earning potential. Ergo being a fucking asshole and an idiot is likely to result in diminished earnings
No one is disputing that.
So crime and violence can cause poverty?
You were disputing this 3 posts ago.
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Re: The real racial bias: Cops more willing to shoot whites than blacks [Re: Webster10]
#21129675 - 01/16/15 03:06 PM (9 years, 2 months ago) |
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I'm disputing qmans implication that the opposite of my claim is true.
People don't do crime to get poor, they do it to get a leg up. Why do they need a leg up? Because they're poor.
Check out drug dealer and gang statistics and see how many of them are middle or upper class. I can't believe people are even arguing this.
Poverty leads to crime.
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Re: The real racial bias: Cops more willing to shoot whites than blacks [Re: The Ecstatic]
#21129701 - 01/16/15 03:11 PM (9 years, 2 months ago) |
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Crime leads to poverty.
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Re: The real racial bias: Cops more willing to shoot whites than blacks [Re: The Ecstatic]
#21129768 - 01/16/15 03:25 PM (9 years, 2 months ago) |
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Nobody in here can back up anything on the racist front with empirical evidence.
So you can't back up your statement. I knew that but it's good of you to actually admit it.
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If you want to ignore racism or pretend it doesn't exist, that's fine.
Where did I do either of those things?
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But I don't share that opinion.
Want to know what we actually don't share? Your tendency to say shit you can't back up.
Thanks for playing.
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You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. What one person receives without working for another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for that my dear friend is the beginning of the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it. ~ Adrian Rogers
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Re: The real racial bias: Cops more willing to shoot whites than blacks [Re: zappaisgod]
#21129782 - 01/16/15 03:29 PM (9 years, 2 months ago) |
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In that case everyone in this thread is saying shit they can't back up.
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Re: The real racial bias: Cops more willing to shoot whites than blacks [Re: The Ecstatic]
#21129806 - 01/16/15 03:33 PM (9 years, 2 months ago) |
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No-one else said something quite this stupid:
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That's racism.
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You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. What one person receives without working for another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for that my dear friend is the beginning of the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it. ~ Adrian Rogers
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Re: The real racial bias: Cops more willing to shoot whites than blacks [Re: The Ecstatic]
#21130657 - 01/16/15 06:39 PM (9 years, 2 months ago) |
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The Ecstatic said:
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zappaisgod said:
Is it your opinion that having an arrest record is not detrimental to economic success?
Don't even try to backdoor your way into proving Alan's ridiculous assertion.
If you're gonna claim that black people are poor because they're criminals (or any race for that matter), you're gonna have to show me a group of people that were once economically successful, then decided to resort to crime.
This is very basic shit, well, for humans. Decisions are based on risk versus reward. If you have the rewards, there's no reason to take the risk.
Poor people commit crimes because they're poor and need to take more risks, criminals being poor does nothing to prove otherwise.
"Poor people commit crimes because they're poor"
Really, so poor people need to rape, murder, and physically assault people because they don't have enough money? 
Every crime is based on economic advancement? I don't think so, try again.
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Re: The real racial bias: Cops more willing to shoot whites than blacks [Re: qman]
#21130791 - 01/16/15 07:07 PM (9 years, 2 months ago) |
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LOL, the thought of it is trudged on enough as it is.
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