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Learyfan
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Re: Shroomery has officially gone to shit [Re: Ythan] 6
#20879102 - 11/23/14 01:22 PM (9 years, 4 months ago) |
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Ythan said: I think you're overlooking the fact that between 2006 and 2014, the Shroomery grew from 225 thousand to 1.25 million unique visitors per month. It's basically five times the size now, and that comes with growing pains. I don't think you can put the blame solely on OTD for whatever decrease in site quality you've experienced. We're always open to constructive suggestions, though! If you feel like there's something we should be doing differently (besides a nuclear option like closing OTD), please post in WA&F and engage with the staff and if it's a good idea, we'll work on it.
How much the site has grown is a factor, but with all due respect, the way the admins viewed OTD was the fatal flaw. You guys saw OTD as a place that separated the riff raff from the rest of the site. I saw it as a breeding ground for that negativity. I think history has, unfortunately, proven me right. A whole culture sprung up from that forum and it bled into the rest of The Shroomery. They formed a gang of sorts and harassed people off the site. And so many people were afraid of being the next one to be harassed that they joined the gang too. That gang became so big that now everyone is in it. I mean, I'm not even sure what the difference between The Pub and OTD is now. And I'm not even suggesting that we remove OTD now because it's too late. The damage is done and there's no going back. It should have been done before the explosion in membership.
The Shroomery is still the best site on the internet, but it just pains me to see what's become of it, knowing that it could have been avoided.
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shLong
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Re: Shroomery has officially gone to shit [Re: Learyfan]
#20879452 - 11/23/14 02:52 PM (9 years, 4 months ago) |
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I, for once, disagree with you, LearyFan....
I feel it has its place even if it isn't for me... But, is there any specific circumstances you can refer to when you say there was off-site harassment or whatever?
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ThirtyCigarettes
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Re: Shroomery has officially gone to shit [Re: Learyfan] 8
#20879547 - 11/23/14 03:11 PM (9 years, 4 months ago) |
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OTD never randomly picks somebody out of the Pub to fuck with. It's users that come into OTD, are told to fuck off, and go fucking nuclear when they are told they're not accepted and can't accept it. "WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO ABOUT IT, WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO, HUHHUHUHUHUHUH." Don't tease a dog with food. There are clear warnings about wandering into OTD, and it's not like somebody who posts once accidentally gets all of their personal information dug up and thrown in their face.
This is the internet. If you want to remain anonymous, there are ways to do it effectively, and should probably attempt to go through those hoops if you plan on trying to "get under OTD's skin".
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jewunit said: It has nothing to do with OTD and everything to do with the development of the internet culture. The Shroomery hasn't gone to shit, the internet has gone to shit. Every single site that I've been an active member of that has grown with the popularity of the internet gradually becomes regarded as garbage by older users. Throughout the years that I've been the few regular OTDers that also post in the Pub usually play pretty nice when they post here.
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Learyfan said: You guys saw OTD as a place that separated the riff raff from the rest of the site. I saw it as a breeding ground for that negativity. I think history has, unfortunately, proven me right.
The whole world is full of negativity. To think that you're going to absolve the world of it is foolish. It's in humanity's DNA. We're a being that is aware of our own demise which leads to self-loathing, greed, and sadness. People channel these feelings in different ways, but somebody will always harness these feelings and turn it into negativity. Most of OTD is pretty harmless, and if anything, more honest than anybody in the Pub can even handle.
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PatrickKn
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Re: Shroomery has officially gone to shit [Re: shLong] 4
#20879552 - 11/23/14 03:12 PM (9 years, 4 months ago) |
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I personally think there are far more negative and trollish people outside of OTD than there are inside of it. I don't talk in OTD very often, but when I do you start to realize that it isn't necessarily a negative place to be like everyone tries to convey it is. I see people say things that are far worse in the Pub. They merely get away with it here because they teeter the line when it comes to rules that are in place.
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morrowasted
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Re: Shroomery has officially gone to shit [Re: PatrickKn]
#20879593 - 11/23/14 03:19 PM (9 years, 4 months ago) |
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I just do my thing. Focusing on the negativity only compounds it.
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ModestMouse
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Re: Shroomery has officially gone to shit [Re: morrowasted]
#20879623 - 11/23/14 03:24 PM (9 years, 4 months ago) |
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I never interacted with SYS. He seemed to be idolized by a lot of old time shit posters in otd. Not really a surprise. There's a lot of dick sucking on that end of the board. Don't believe me? Go look at it yourself.
This isn't to say Im not a shit poster, I am, but I simply don't think anything has changed since his stepping down. At all.
*Hasn't it been like 3 days? This thread is silly.
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Alan Rockefeller
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Re: Shroomery has officially gone to shit [Re: jewunit] 2
#20879890 - 11/23/14 04:11 PM (9 years, 4 months ago) |
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jewunit said: It has nothing to do with OTD and everything to do with the development of the internet culture. The Shroomery hasn't gone to shit, the internet has gone to shit. Every single site that I've been an active member of that has grown with the popularity of the internet gradually becomes regarded as garbage by older users. Throughout the years that I've been the few regular OTDers that also post in the Pub usually play pretty nice when they post here.
This.
It used to be that a very small percentage of the population used the internet - not at all a random slice of the population.
Now it is so easy to get online that a huge percentage of people use the internet, and the online world is much more of a random sampling of the world population. This is both a good thing and a bad thing - it increases the opportunities for educating the public, but it decreases the signal to noise ratio.
I have been visiting the site since 2007, and the forums I am most interested in have been getting better every year. Back in 2007, the Mushroom Hunting forum was kind of a mess, with few real experts around to answer questions and ID requests. It was rare to see a quality photo. Now there are 20+ extremely qualified trusted identifiers and at least 50 more regular posters who are experts in certain aspects of hunting and identification. There are also about 20 users that post professional quality photos. The level of discourse has improved dramatically.
Security and Safety is immensely better also. These days, questions about the law are answered by people who are very familiar with the law, and questions about computer security are answered by experts in computer security. It didn't used to be like that at all.
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akira_akuma
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so it's got it's ups and downs.
nice.
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Peace of Mind 1
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Re: Shroomery has officially gone to shit [Re: ModestMouse]
#20879921 - 11/23/14 04:16 PM (9 years, 4 months ago) |
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ModestMouse said: I never interacted with SYS. He seemed to be idolized by a lot of old time shit posters in otd. Not really a surprise. There's a lot of dick sucking on that end of the board. Don't believe me? Go look at it yourself.
This isn't to say Im not a shit poster, I am, but I simply don't think anything has changed since his stepping down. At all.
*Hasn't it been like 3 days? This thread is silly.
Textbook melt right here
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ModestMouse
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Why don't you pm me if you want to bitch about how I conduct myself?
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Peace of Mind 1
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Re: Shroomery has officially gone to shit [Re: ModestMouse] 3
#20879951 - 11/23/14 04:20 PM (9 years, 4 months ago) |
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Because then no one could see it, duh. I can certainly understand why you'd hate to be called out in front of everyone though.
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akira_akuma
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peace of mind 1 said: Because then no one could see it, duh. I can certainly understand why you'd hate to be called out in front of everyone though.
because the lack of conduct will prevail, nevertheless.
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ModestMouse
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You're an Internet badass eh? Fuck off
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Peace of Mind 1
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Re: Shroomery has officially gone to shit [Re: ModestMouse]
#20879983 - 11/23/14 04:26 PM (9 years, 4 months ago) |
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I bet that ignore button is tempting right?
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ModestMouse
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Nah. I know eventually you'll be tolerable.
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Peace of Mind 1
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Re: Shroomery has officially gone to shit [Re: ModestMouse] 1
#20879996 - 11/23/14 04:28 PM (9 years, 4 months ago) |
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I wouldn't count on it.
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shLong
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Knock it off, you two No need to completely derail this shit over personal differences
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ModestMouse
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Re: Shroomery has officially gone to shit [Re: shLong]
#20880005 - 11/23/14 04:29 PM (9 years, 4 months ago) |
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Exactly. PM if you want to continue this.
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akira_akuma
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Re: Shroomery has officially gone to shit [Re: ModestMouse]
#20880012 - 11/23/14 04:30 PM (9 years, 4 months ago) |
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LOL lets take it outside man!
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shLong
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Re: Shroomery has officially gone to shit [Re: akira_akuma]
#20880014 - 11/23/14 04:31 PM (9 years, 4 months ago) |
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