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 Growing with spores the natural way? 
#20839007 - 11/14/14 11:06 PM (9 years, 5 months ago) |
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I was just wondering what if I scrape some prints onto a compost pile or inoculate the pile, how likely is colonization? You know, just doing it how nature does it? If too risky what about LC inoculation?
I'm in a agricultural tropical area btw, lots of rain and dung
Update: I dropped some dry spores into a bowl of "left-over" brown/red rice substrate. They germinated and colonized! 
The bowl I dumped was taken over by orange mold, which I have never seen in my mother's garden before :O A little myc is left, please fight and survive.
I got an un-inoculated cake that had the lid popped open due to melting in PC. Just dumped it in potting soil and inoculated with a syringe right in the center. Let's see how that turns out. Should I water the soil? (It's dry since mother hasn't planted any thing) Or mist it?
Here it is today, 27/11
 
17/12
Trichs ate it all, the myc died. End of thread.
Edited by mcsuperd (12/17/14 07:17 AM)
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 Re: Growing with spores the natural way? [Re: mcsuperd]
#20839015 - 11/14/14 11:09 PM (9 years, 5 months ago) |
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Spores germinate inside the digestive system of the animal. Just scrape some print in the cows drinking water.
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Re: Growing with spores the natural way? [Re: Mr. Alien]
#20839026 - 11/14/14 11:11 PM (9 years, 5 months ago) |
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scraping spores onto a pile outdoors has a 0 percent success rate.
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Re: Growing with spores the natural way? [Re: bodhisatta]
#20839040 - 11/14/14 11:17 PM (9 years, 5 months ago) |
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Haha that sounds easy I'll feed the spores to my uncle's cows and buffalos
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Re: Growing with spores the natural way? [Re: mcsuperd]
#20839045 - 11/14/14 11:18 PM (9 years, 5 months ago) |
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Please post pictures in this thread, i think it would be cool to see that.
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Re: Growing with spores the natural way? [Re: Mr. Alien]
#20839273 - 11/15/14 12:40 AM (9 years, 5 months ago) |
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What if he made a spore syringe and tried?
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Re: Growing with spores the natural way? [Re: Dilated]
#20839289 - 11/15/14 12:47 AM (9 years, 5 months ago) |
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You could try to sterilize a jar of manure and then inoculate the spores but they won't germinate, i'm 99.90% pretty sure. We inoculate spores in high nutrition substrate such as grains or grains flour so the spores be able to germinate.
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Re: Growing with spores the natural way? [Re: Dilated]
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What if he only fed the cows PE or APE spores?
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1 of 1000's germination rate in a high nutrition substrate such as grains, now imagine the germination rate in a low nutrition substrate such as manure.
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Re: Growing with spores the natural way? [Re: Inocuole]
#20839313 - 11/15/14 12:56 AM (9 years, 5 months ago) |
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What if he only fed the cows PE or APE spores?
Now that would be very cool to see.
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Re: Growing with spores the natural way? [Re: Mr. Alien]
#20840102 - 11/15/14 09:36 AM (9 years, 4 months ago) |
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Oh I get it. It's just like LC inoc haha. In the digestive tract it germinates just like in LC and then the myc is out it feeds on feces as substrate for fruiting?
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Re: Growing with spores the natural way? [Re: Inocuole]
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What if he only fed the cows PE or APE spores?
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Re: Growing with spores the natural way? [Re: taGyo]
#20858846 - 11/19/14 02:50 AM (9 years, 4 months ago) |
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Update: I dropped some dry spores into a bowl of "left-over" brown/red rice substrate. They germinated and colonized! Sadly trichs also germinated 
What's up with PE APE spores?
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Re: Growing with spores the natural way? [Re: mcsuperd]
#20858914 - 11/19/14 03:55 AM (9 years, 4 months ago) |
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Anybody here could've told you that would happen.
PE/APE= Penis envy/Albino Penis Envy
Nothing like a cow patty covered in fat white cocks.
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Re: Growing with spores the natural way? [Re: Inocuole]
#20859007 - 11/19/14 05:05 AM (9 years, 4 months ago) |
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You could get germination from straight manure. People have replaced the brown rice flour in cakes with manure and had germination. The drawback is less nutes obviously which is why that is seldom done.
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Re: Growing with spores the natural way? [Re: mcsuperd]
#20859240 - 11/19/14 07:37 AM (9 years, 4 months ago) |
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mcsuperd said:
Update: I dropped some dry spores into a bowl of "left-over" brown/red rice substrate. They germinated and colonized! Sadly trichs also germinated
What's up with PE APE spores?
the spores are fine the way your trying to grow is broken as fuck
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Re: Growing with spores the natural way? [Re: Mr. Alien]
#20859328 - 11/19/14 08:17 AM (9 years, 4 months ago) |
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Spores germinate inside the digestive system of the animal. Just scrape some print in the cows drinking water.
Is this true? I am not sure how cow stomachs work, I always assumed that they are inhospitable to spores and such, I would think that the animal would get sick and die of fungal infections.
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It is true its how the myc gets a foothold before other competitors like aggressive molds can get ahead.
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Re: Growing with spores the natural way? [Re: bodhisatta]
#20859343 - 11/19/14 08:24 AM (9 years, 4 months ago) |
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Update: I dropped some dry spores into a bowl of "left-over" brown/red rice substrate. They germinated and colonized! Sadly trichs also germinated
What's up with PE APE spores?
the spores are fine the way your trying to grow is broken as fuck
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Re: Growing with spores the natural way? [Re: taGyo]
#20859470 - 11/19/14 09:15 AM (9 years, 4 months ago) |
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I suppose that's why mushrooms are the most evolved higher class in the Fungi kingdom. Perhaps they produce an enzyme to breakdown harmful acids, or cows and horses may not have any stomach acid, I am going to check into the function of the four stomachs. The molds cannot reproduce in the cows stomach, Isn't Anthrax somehow spread from cows so I guess it can grow in them as well.
taken fromhttp://http://mycology.wikia.com/wiki/Psilocybe_cubensis
"The reason cubensis grows commonly on the dung of these animals is because they have no or very little stomach acid. The cow eats feed with mushroom spores on it, and the spores germinate in the cow's moist, warm stomach."
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Re: Growing with spores the natural way? [Re: bodhisatta]
#20859563 - 11/19/14 10:04 AM (9 years, 4 months ago) |
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Update: I dropped some dry spores into a bowl of "left-over" brown/red rice substrate. They germinated and colonized! Sadly trichs also germinated
What's up with PE APE spores?
the spores are fine the way your trying to grow is broken as fuck
Well I live in a third-world country so...  ) I got some make-shift jars colonizing anyway
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"The reason cubensis grows commonly on the dung of these animals is because they have no or very little stomach acid. The cow eats feed with mushroom spores on it, and the spores germinate in the cow's moist, warm stomach."
I thought all of this was common knowledge until I read a previous thread. Someone was arguing that mycelium travels underground in search of poo or something along them lines, fucking hilarious.
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Re: Growing with spores the natural way? [Re: stevo]
#20861354 - 11/19/14 05:06 PM (9 years, 4 months ago) |
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I once ate too many Ps. Cyanescens and hurled onto a pile of tree clippings, and the mycelium took over the pile faster than any inoculation method that I've tried. probably spreading out to get away from the low pH, ant infested mess.
Sounds like a great idea for a new tek!
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Re: Growing with spores the natural way? [Re: hidyn]
#20861382 - 11/19/14 05:13 PM (9 years, 4 months ago) |
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I once ate too many Ps. Cyanescens and hurled onto a pile of tree clippings, and the mycelium took over the pile faster than any inoculation method that I've tried. probably spreading out to get away from the low pH, ant infested mess.
Sounds like a great idea for a new tek!
Yo dude, let's go knock u some up of them clippings 
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Re: Growing with spores the natural way? [Re: mcsuperd]
#20861952 - 11/19/14 07:16 PM (9 years, 4 months ago) |
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Update: I dropped some dry spores into a bowl of "left-over" brown/red rice substrate. They germinated and colonized! Sadly trichs also germinated
What's up with PE APE spores?
Lol, dude is much simpler than that, just give to your cows water with spore to drink. Or make an outdoor patch with colonized grain.
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Re: Growing with spores the natural way? [Re: Mr. Alien]
#20862529 - 11/19/14 09:22 PM (9 years, 4 months ago) |
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there's some cordyceps fungi that infect one specific species of ant and eject fruiting bodies from the ant carcase. It's not crazy to think that cubensis mushrooms are specifically adapted to growing this one particular cycle of cow or equine stomach and then fruiting from the dung. life does all sorts of crazy things. look up parasites shit gets crazy
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Re: Growing with spores the natural way? [Re: bodhisatta]
#20863402 - 11/20/14 12:35 AM (9 years, 4 months ago) |
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The bowl I dumped was taken over by orange mold, which I have never seen in my mother's garden before :O A little myc is left, please fight and survive.
I got an un-inoculated cake that had the lid popped open due to melting in PC. Just dumped it in potting soil and inoculated with a syringe right in the center. Let's see how that turns out. Should I water the soil? (It's dry since mother hasn't planted any thing) Or mist it?
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Re: Growing with spores the natural way? [Re: stevo]
#20864052 - 11/20/14 06:16 AM (9 years, 4 months ago) |
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Wilds do have some nice aggressive tendancies but there is no way they will compete in a setup like the OP is attempting. Fact is that the methods we use are what was needed to grow these in a indoor setting in the first place 
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Re: Growing with spores the natural way? [Re: mcsuperd]
#20864402 - 11/20/14 08:23 AM (9 years, 4 months ago) |
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Haha that sounds easy I'll feed the spores to my uncle's cows and buffalos
It only works if you're also in a semi-tropical area such as the American south. The dung will need to be watered a few times per month by rain or thunderstorms. This is why they don't grow on cow dung in desert or northern areas.
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Re: Growing with spores the natural way? [Re: RogerRabbit]
#20864416 - 11/20/14 08:26 AM (9 years, 4 months ago) |
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I'v read that covering up the site of mass spore inoculations with organic materiels such as woodchips is a good idea too.
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Re: Growing with spores the natural way? [Re: RogerRabbit]
#20864532 - 11/20/14 08:58 AM (9 years, 4 months ago) |
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Haha that sounds easy I'll feed the spores to my uncle's cows and buffalos
It only works if you're also in a semi-tropical area such as the American south. The dung will need to be watered a few times per month by rain or thunderstorms. This is why they don't grow on cow dung in desert or northern areas.
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Very true. I usually dump my spent subs outside and let them compost a bit then give to my brother for his many gardens. But there is a 2-3 week window in the summer where temps will be good and it rains enough that I can hope for a few outdoor fruits to push up 
Next summer I am gonna try and do a big bed, timed just right and hopefully get a picture worthy outdoor harvest. I would consider it an accomplishment
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Re: Growing with spores the natural way? [Re: RogerRabbit]
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Haha that sounds easy I'll feed the spores to my uncle's cows and buffalos
It only works if you're also in a semi-tropical area such as the American south. The dung will need to be watered a few times per month by rain or thunderstorms. This is why they don't grow on cow dung in desert or northern areas.
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I live in Vietnam, perfect condition I saw a strain called Hanoi Vietnam, which is where I live (capital city) but I have never seen any mushroom growing in the wild here even in the countryside states. Only once I think I seen some cube was when I was in elementary. Hanoi wasn't urbanized back then and I lived in a mid-class slum. The walls always had to take the drainage and trichs dominated the whole wall. Somehow some white shrooms grew out of the trichs bed. I think it was cubes because it was slightly blue-tinted.
Anyhow, RR, have you seen the picture of my rice bowl? The spores germinated and colonized some grains but trichs also got some so I dumped it into a pot my mother is growing flowers in. I think it was a poor decision though, I should have put it in some kind of isolated FC to see how it turns out. Today some orange mold took over and ate my myc. Only a small portion of the myc is left. What do you think I should do about it?
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Re: Growing with spores the natural way? [Re: mcsuperd]
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It was probably mold from the start.
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Re: Growing with spores the natural way? [Re: RogerRabbit]
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It was probably mold from the start.
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Improper sterilization process.
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Re: Growing with spores the natural way? [Re: taGyo]
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It was probably mold from the start.
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Improper sterilization process.
We're talking about an open air bowl of rice, there never was a sterilization.
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Re: Growing with spores the natural way? [Re: Inocuole]
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Improper sterilization process.
We're talking about an open air bowl of rice, there never was a sterilization.
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Re: Growing with spores the natural way? [Re: taGyo]
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I cooked my red rice and brown rice, scraped spores all over and buried it in my mother's potting soil and just 2 days later colonization is all over the place. WOW. Why indoor anyway :3
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Re: Growing with spores the natural way? [Re: stevo]
#20887776 - 11/25/14 09:00 AM (9 years, 4 months ago) |
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Considering I have large amounts of snow on the ground for 8 months of the year and really low RH for 3, indoors is kinda my only option 
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Re: Growing with spores the natural way? [Re: mcsuperd]
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I cooked my red rice and brown rice, scraped spores all over and buried it in my mother's potting soil and just 2 days later colonization is all over the place. WOW. Why indoor anyway :3
Get back to us on "why indoor" when insects have eaten everything, and all the mycelium you have is actually mold. 
Does your mother know you're having little science experiments with her soil that potentially involve the possibility of illegal species growing? (since it doesn't appear to be too likely they'll appear just yet)
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Re: Growing with spores the natural way? [Re: Inocuole]
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Hehe don't take my word seriously guys I was just excited! Anyway my mother for some reasons I don't know dumped some wet papaya seeds onto the soil and some mold got a hold of them! Before that the soil had the perfect moisture enough for myc to growth and not for molds! Arrrgggh! But I think the myc is gonna win though. Remember the rice bowl I dumped? It got eated by orange mold but today the myc is winning over, not 100% but it looks promising!
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Re: Growing with spores the natural way? [Re: mcsuperd]
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Re: Growing with spores the natural way? [Re: mcsuperd]
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Hehe don't take my word seriously guys I was just excited! Anyway my mother for some reasons I don't know dumped some wet papaya seeds onto the soil and some mold got a hold of them! Before that the soil had the perfect moisture enough for myc to growth and not for molds! Arrrgggh! But I think the myc is gonna win though. Remember the rice bowl I dumped? It got eated by orange mold but today the myc is winning over, not 100% but it looks promising!
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Re: Growing with spores the natural way? [Re: mcsuperd]
#20892968 - 11/26/14 12:15 PM (9 years, 4 months ago) |
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I think the myc looks healthy. Any recommendation? Should I mist or something?
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Re: Growing with spores the natural way? [Re: mcsuperd]
#20892993 - 11/26/14 12:25 PM (9 years, 4 months ago) |
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I would mist it I guess
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Yeah the dirt looks awful dry.
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Re: Growing with spores the natural way? [Re: insanemike]
#20895375 - 11/26/14 11:46 PM (9 years, 4 months ago) |
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Looks can be deceiving I just misted before
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Re: Growing with spores the natural way? [Re: mcsuperd]
#20895386 - 11/26/14 11:50 PM (9 years, 4 months ago) |
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Then why did you ask us if you should mist it? 
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Re: Growing with spores the natural way? [Re: mcsuperd]
#20895387 - 11/26/14 11:50 PM (9 years, 4 months ago) |
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Moar.
And
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wowimflabbergasted said:
Then why did you ask us if you should mist it?
Seriously.
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Re: Growing with spores the natural way? [Re: Inocuole]
#20895419 - 11/27/14 12:03 AM (9 years, 4 months ago) |
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ASKHOLE
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Re: Growing with spores the natural way? [Re: cronicr]
#20895427 - 11/27/14 12:09 AM (9 years, 4 months ago) |
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cronicr said:
ASKHOLE
I like it.
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This is an interesting thread, I'll be watching this. I've wanted to do an outdoor grow just for the novelty of doing it, but indoor obviously will yield much more and in my opinion of better quality
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Re: Growing with spores the natural way? [Re: BluntsenBurner]
#20895550 - 11/27/14 01:10 AM (9 years, 4 months ago) |
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Hehe I had to do something ) But I have to make sure though guys
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Re: Growing with spores the natural way? [Re: mcsuperd]
#20895555 - 11/27/14 01:11 AM (9 years, 4 months ago) |
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Re: Growing with spores the natural way? [Re: cronicr]
#20903151 - 11/29/14 01:35 AM (9 years, 4 months ago) |
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The dumped bowl: Trichs won. Myc and orange mold lost.
The buried cake: Still colonizing healthily
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Re: Growing with spores the natural way? [Re: mcsuperd]
#20912910 - 12/01/14 03:32 PM (9 years, 4 months ago) |
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Quote:
mcsuperd said:
The dumped bowl: Trichs won. Myc and orange mold lost.
The buried cake: Still colonizing healthily
Pics as soon as that buried cake starts pinning
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Re: Growing with spores the natural way? [Re: BluntsenBurner]
#20916107 - 12/02/14 09:11 AM (9 years, 4 months ago) |
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I think one or two more weeks cos the cake is nutritious and the myc has yet consumed it all
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