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Re: First Study: Mazatapec [Re: wowimflabbergasted]
    #20876189 - 11/22/14 06:34 PM (9 years, 4 months ago)

It's now been 14 days sinces Innoc. White webs are growing near injection sites on MOST jars. Though, the biggest white patch i see is no bigger than a silver dollar. And the smallest patch I see is no smaller than a penny. Though none of the spots (under the innoce sites) are touching another spot as they do not span enough of the jar. How would you guys rate the colonization progress given this information after 14 days from innoc?

From the guides I read my jar should be turning completely white - like nor BRF visible. Am I mistaken? And at what time do I decide to just try to monotube?

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Re: First Study: Mazatapec [Re: Cryptology]
    #20876260 - 11/22/14 06:50 PM (9 years, 4 months ago)

Sounds like you're right on track. :thumbup:

It usually takes 3 weeks to a month to fully colonize, and then another week for consolidation.

Get this grow under your belt and then move your way up! You learn a lot from hands on experience.


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Re: Looking for tips and recommandations for Shroomery Setup. (moved) [Re: Cryptology]
    #20876384 - 11/22/14 07:17 PM (9 years, 4 months ago)

Here are pics after 2 weeks. Captions are below pics.


1st set is profile of all four innoc sides of all 9 jars stacked.


Here is a close up of  one of the bigger clusters in a single jar.


Here is a close up of one of the smaller clusters in a single jar.

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Re: First Study: Mazatapec [Re: wowimflabbergasted]
    #20876394 - 11/22/14 07:18 PM (9 years, 4 months ago)

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wowimflabbergasted said:
Sounds like you're right on track. :thumbup:

It usually takes 3 weeks to a month to fully colonize, and then another week for consolidation.

Get this grow under your belt and then move your way up! You learn a lot from hands on experience.




Thank you for being supportive. I'm sure everyone was nervous with first results because of how long it takes! Thank you for reassuring my simpletons paranoia. Also, check pics above this post! :smile:

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Re: First Study: Mazatapec [Re: Cryptology]
    #20876484 - 11/22/14 07:33 PM (9 years, 4 months ago)

Patience is key! Pics look good too.


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Re: First Study: Mazatapec [Re: wowimflabbergasted]
    #20876584 - 11/22/14 07:56 PM (9 years, 4 months ago)

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Patience is key! Pics look good too.




If I wanted to add something like gypsum to make the flushes more pronounced.. would doing so after dunking by adding it to the verm that would cover the cakes... be beneficial - or is gypsum for inside the substrate only? I would like to maximize growth potential if I could.

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Re: First Study: Mazatapec [Re: Cryptology]
    #20876665 - 11/22/14 08:19 PM (9 years, 4 months ago)

Don't bother with gypsum in cakes. Good genetics and proper conditions help maximize growth.


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Re: First Study: Mazatapec [Re: wowimflabbergasted]
    #20878692 - 11/23/14 11:17 AM (9 years, 4 months ago)

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Don't bother with gypsum in cakes. Good genetics and proper conditions help maximize growth.




I am only saying this a faux passe. In nature the better the nutrients the more likely an organism is to survive, and then flourish. Why would it not matter in Mycology?

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Re: First Study: Mazatapec [Re: Cryptology]
    #20878807 - 11/23/14 11:56 AM (9 years, 4 months ago)

If you've got gypsum use it, but in your cake mix, I don't know how much good it would do in a verm dunk and roll on a cake, but I;ve never done cakes.

From a TC (although gypsum doesn't buffer)

There's several benefits.
The main reason is to add calcium carbonate SULPHATE and sulfur, which helps to stabilize PH levels to near neutral so it acts as a PH buffer as well as adding minerals which are vital for fruiting.
It also helps prevent grains from sticking and clumping.


http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/14712098

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Re: First Study: Mazatapec [Re: MrGiraffe]
    #20889287 - 11/25/14 03:38 PM (9 years, 4 months ago)

Use it in your cake mix,
They won't absorb it in the dunk. I added a tablespoon into my cake mix and I'll dig up the RR post that told me to.


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Re: First Study: Mazatapec [Re: taGyo]
    #20948236 - 12/08/14 04:28 PM (9 years, 3 months ago)

It's now been 4 weeks and some days. Cakes , I'd say, are a little more than 45% colonized. Some are under developed, like 2. Am I still on track? What can I do as a back up plan incase they never fully colonize?

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Re: First Study: Mazatapec [Re: Cryptology]
    #20948281 - 12/08/14 04:39 PM (9 years, 3 months ago)

Upload some pics.
Notice any strange colors? Smells?

What's your temperature at? That's some extremely slow colonization.


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Re: First Study: Mazatapec [Re: taGyo]
    #20948378 - 12/08/14 05:01 PM (9 years, 3 months ago)

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Upload some pics.
Notice any strange colors? Smells?

What's your temperature at? That's some extremely slow colonization.




Update: 12.08.14

Current states - Most jars 30% - 45% colonized

Temperature mean - 72.4 degrees F

Smell - Smells like nature (not bad, more like grass in the sun)

Moisture - Jars collecting moisture at bottom, enough to make little pools.

Lighting - Usually under a towel in SGFC - Have let them rest in room lighting for a day or two now.

Photos are of all 4 sides of all jars stacked. And for obvious reasons I could not photograph the bottom of the jars, but damn near all the bottoms are fully fluffy white.

Side 1

Side 2

Side 3

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Re: First Study: Mazatapec [Re: Cryptology]
    #20948434 - 12/08/14 05:14 PM (9 years, 3 months ago)

That's a lot of moisture,

When you injected those did the needle touch the bottom of the jar? I'm trying to figure out why you have so much bottom growth and none on the top there. Did you pack down your substrate or leave it nice and fluffy, only leveling it.

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What's your BRF formula?


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Re: First Study: Mazatapec [Re: taGyo]
    #20948459 - 12/08/14 05:22 PM (9 years, 3 months ago)

Formula was 1 cups brown rice, 2 cups verm, 1 cup water.stirred til throughly mixed. I did my best not to pack them down, but I'm sure I could have been more careful. Also, I innoc near middle of each side, and some jars received a little extra such as 1 unit more split between innoc sites in like 2 jars. Normally each jar reviewed  unit of the 12 unit needle .thus 2 jars received twice as much.

So what are your thoughts?

Edit: Am I screwed?

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Re: First Study: Mazatapec [Re: Cryptology]
    #20948497 - 12/08/14 05:29 PM (9 years, 3 months ago)

Twice as much meanings 2ccs? That's fine.

They honestly look perfectly healthy. The water pooling at the bottom is probably condensation from the colonized parts giving off heat. If you pick them up from the bottom, are they a little warm? That would explain that.

As for your slow colonization, MS syringe is a crap-shoot so you never know. People like to say you'll be fully colonized in 2 weeks but when I did my first set of jars it took 3-4. Chances are you're getting slow colonization because not all the inoculation points kicked in so the myc is working it's way around the whole jar. You could even have myc hiding behind that BRF just waiting to poke out.

If you can up the temps to 75-80 you'd see faster colonization. 77-80 is optimal for jars, 70-75 for fruiting but I wouldn't worry about it if you have to go out and buy things to maintain that temp, nor is it really necessary at all since they're growing just fine, maybe a little slower.

This happened to my first set of jars, only two innoc points showed up on all of my jars and it took forever to colonize, right about 27 days or so and nine out of ten caught contams and the tenth one was fighting bacteria. I don't think yours are infected at all, they seem perfectly healthy, but give them some more time.

What was your PC technique?

Hope this helps,

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Re: First Study: Mazatapec [Re: taGyo]
    #20948512 - 12/08/14 05:32 PM (9 years, 3 months ago)

Pc with jars covered in alum and sterilized under 15 psi for hours.

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Re: First Study: Mazatapec [Re: Cryptology]
    #20948530 - 12/08/14 05:35 PM (9 years, 3 months ago)

Hours? An hour? 60-90 min is recommended but some guy PCed for 2 hours and got the same results recently. When I PCed my first set of jars I forgot the rocker. I'm assuming you weren't as dumb as I was :lol:

I'd just let 'em grow bro. If you look at pic 2, third stack, top jar you can see the myc poking through the BRF. This should start happening all over the place.

In the future don't knock in the middle though, sides are preferred since you'll be able to track growth and not go crazy while it happens :lol:.

None have stalled, correct?


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Re: First Study: Mazatapec [Re: taGyo]
    #20948685 - 12/08/14 06:04 PM (9 years, 3 months ago)

They were innocd in four hokes each jar. N s e w

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Re: Looking for tips and recommandations for Shroomery Setup. (moved) [Re: Cryptology]
    #20951334 - 12/09/14 08:06 AM (9 years, 3 months ago)

Updated: 12.09.2014

Tagyo suggested that I up the temperature from 72.0 to 77 - 80.0. Well, I followed his advice last night and turned the central air on to 76.00 which makes the container my jars are stored in 76.5. ANYWAYS..., like magic his advice provided immediate results. Not only did I instantly see a 5 % - 10 % hike in growth, but it seems to be every jar! I am wildly astounded...

Edit: For Tagyo...

Tagyo, what does stalled me an in my case since I just colonizing so far?

Also, I innoc in four holes each jar. I PC'd for 90 minutes to be exact. Sorry, I was tired and worried last night...

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Edit: For everyone else.

Moving on, I am always open to expert opinions and suggestions. Please read my original post as it contains all updates including this one.

Edited by Cryptology (12/09/14 08:14 AM)

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