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Not_A_Hobo
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Indefinite production from PF Tek cakes
#20749084 - 10/24/14 08:00 PM (9 years, 5 months ago) |
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While researching bulk substrates, I had an idea. If you can crumble PF cakes over a bulk substrate to let it colonize and fruit, could you then take some of the colonized bulk, and mix it with a fresh batch of substrate and just keep doing this indefinitely?
So the whole process i want to try is let my PF Tek cakes colonize and fruit them through a few flushes. Then make a bulk substrate to mix my cakes with, let them colonize and fruit that through a few flushes. Finally just continue the process of colonizing new substrates from the previously fruited substrate indefinitely.
Would this work or would the mycelium just die after so long?
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Re: Indefinite production from PF Tek cakes [Re: Not_A_Hobo]
#20749096 - 10/24/14 08:03 PM (9 years, 5 months ago) |
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no it's called superspawning and leads to contamination, they're spent substrates for a reason
using spent substrates outside often leads to success though.
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Re: Indefinite production from PF Tek cakes [Re: bodhisatta]
#20749262 - 10/24/14 08:49 PM (9 years, 5 months ago) |
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Re: Indefinite production from PF Tek cakes [Re: Inocuole]
#20749269 - 10/24/14 08:51 PM (9 years, 5 months ago) |
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outside would be the best
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Inocuole
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Re: Indefinite production from PF Tek cakes [Re: TeeRoy87]
#20749288 - 10/24/14 08:57 PM (9 years, 5 months ago) |
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Your obstacles include constantly weakening mycelium, predator molds that take advantage of said weakened mycelium, and senescence.
Plus your spawn ratio keeps going down each time and even without the other obstacles your yield would suffer.
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Not_A_Hobo
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Re: Indefinite production from PF Tek cakes [Re: Inocuole]
#20753468 - 10/25/14 10:18 PM (9 years, 5 months ago) |
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Why would contamination be less likely if done outside? p.s. random question, what would happen if I inoculate jars with two different cubensis strains, such as ban hua thanon and tasmanian?
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Mr. Alien
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Re: Indefinite production from PF Tek cakes [Re: Not_A_Hobo]
#20753477 - 10/25/14 10:20 PM (9 years, 5 months ago) |
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Because there is no contamination in nature, all bacteria and fungi lives in harmony in nature, there is no place to contaminate.
If you inject them both you would grow cubes.
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Re: Indefinite production from PF Tek cakes [Re: Mr. Alien]
#20753919 - 10/26/14 03:26 AM (9 years, 5 months ago) |
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There are tons of contaminants so it's pretty much guarantee. Since they're all competing with each other though it sort of helps any one from getting the upper hand.
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Re: Indefinite production from PF Tek cakes [Re: Kizzle]
#20754495 - 10/26/14 09:53 AM (9 years, 5 months ago) |
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Also, in nature, only the faster and vigorous strains reach fruiting.
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Inocuole
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Re: Indefinite production from PF Tek cakes [Re: Kizzle]
#20755744 - 10/26/14 03:19 PM (9 years, 5 months ago) |
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Kizzle said: There are tons of contaminants so it's pretty much guarantee. Since they're all competing with each other though it sort of helps any one from getting the upper hand.
Mr. Burns and his multitude of infections...
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Not_A_Hobo
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Re: Indefinite production from PF Tek cakes [Re: Inocuole]
#20755854 - 10/26/14 03:42 PM (9 years, 5 months ago) |
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Thanks for the info, by the time my first jars have finished flushing, it will be winter and far too cold for an outdoor grow. So when the time comes I think i will try out Damion5050's "Elementary Coir Tek."
Here is the link to the Tek: http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/11916595
Just as a beginners experiment, I'll be using left over PF cakes. Has anyone ever used this Tek, and what were the results?
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Re: Indefinite production from PF Tek cakes [Re: Not_A_Hobo]
#20756467 - 10/26/14 06:08 PM (9 years, 5 months ago) |
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Don't do that, that's a terrible idea. So yeah, pretty much a "beginner's experiment". Which around here translates to failure, regret, and lots of flaming.
You can use crumbled cakes but they can't be spent cakes. That's not an experiment. That's wishful thinking and willful ignorance. Only do experiments when we don't already know what will happen. Either do the cakes or do the tub, but don't try to get them to fruit twice.
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Re: Indefinite production from PF Tek cakes [Re: Inocuole]
#20756793 - 10/26/14 07:09 PM (9 years, 5 months ago) |
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Inocuole said: Don't do that, that's a terrible idea. So yeah, pretty much a "beginner's experiment". Which around here translates to failure, regret, and lots of flaming.
You can use crumbled cakes but they can't be spent cakes. That's not an experiment. That's wishful thinking and willful ignorance. Only do experiments when we don't already know what will happen. Either do the cakes or do the tub, but don't try to get them to fruit twice.
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Organic_Magic
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i agree with whats been said. Crumbling spent cakes to bulk will more than likely end with failure. There is a reason they're referred to as spent.
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Not_A_Hobo
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Re: Indefinite production from PF Tek cakes [Re: Inocuole]
#20757143 - 10/26/14 08:20 PM (9 years, 5 months ago) |
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Inocuole said: Don't do that, that's a terrible idea. So yeah, pretty much a "beginner's experiment". Which around here translates to failure, regret, and lots of flaming.
LOL!^^ okay then. On that note ill whip up some new cakes for that project. I havn't done any research regarding spent cakes so thanks for the heads up. Regarding spent cakes tho, is there any use for them other than throwing them in the trash?
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Re: Indefinite production from PF Tek cakes [Re: Not_A_Hobo]
#20757149 - 10/26/14 08:22 PM (9 years, 5 months ago) |
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Not_A_Hobo said:
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Inocuole said: Don't do that, that's a terrible idea. So yeah, pretty much a "beginner's experiment". Which around here translates to failure, regret, and lots of flaming.
LOL!^^ okay then. On that note ill whip up some new cakes for that project. I havn't done any research regarding spent cakes so thanks for the heads up. Regarding spent cakes tho, is there any use for them other than throwing them in the trash?
Bury them in an outdoor patch
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Organic_Magic
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Re: Indefinite production from PF Tek cakes [Re: Not_A_Hobo]
#20757154 - 10/26/14 08:24 PM (9 years, 5 months ago) |
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-go outside
-dig hole
-throw cakes in hole
-water/wait
-maybe you get somehing. maybe not
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Not_A_Hobo
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Re: Indefinite production from PF Tek cakes [Re: Organic_Magic]
#20757157 - 10/26/14 08:26 PM (9 years, 5 months ago) |
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Alright I'll try that. Is it possible for the mycelium to survive the winter if buried?
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Re: Indefinite production from PF Tek cakes [Re: Not_A_Hobo]
#20757165 - 10/26/14 08:27 PM (9 years, 5 months ago) |
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Not_A_Hobo said: Alright I'll try that. Is it possible for the mycelium to survive the winter if buried?
Bury it, find out, come back and tell us.
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Not_A_Hobo
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Okay, everyone keep an eye out for the post.
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