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Re: NASA: September 2014 Hottest In Recorded Weather History [Re: Stonehenge]
    #20752006 - 10/25/14 02:55 PM (9 years, 5 months ago)

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More extreme weather means more property damage and more deaths. Record high temperatures mean more extreme weather, both heat and cold. Desertification is ongoing.




where is the evidence of any recent 'RECORD HIGH' temperatures?

http://www.history.com/news/the-hottest-day-on-earth-100-years-ago


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Re: NASA: September 2014 Hottest In Recorded Weather History [Re: Stonehenge]
    #20752067 - 10/25/14 03:19 PM (9 years, 5 months ago)

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More extreme weather means more property damage and more deaths.




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When you read that the cost of disasters is increasing, it’s tempting to think that it must be because more storms are happening. They’re not. All the apocalyptic “climate porn” in your Facebook feed is solely a function of perception. In reality, the numbers reflect more damage from catastrophes because the world is getting wealthier. We’re seeing ever-larger losses simply because we have more to lose — when an earthquake or flood occurs, more stuff gets damaged. And no matter what President Obama and British Prime Minister David Cameron say, recent costly disasters are not part of a trend driven by climate change. The data available so far strongly shows they’re just evidence of human vulnerability in the face of periodic extremes.

To identify changes in extreme weather, it’s best to look at the statistics of extreme weather. Fortunately, scientists have invested a lot of effort into looking at data on extreme weather events, and recently summarized their findings in a major United Nations climate report, the fifth in a series dating back to 1990. That report concluded that there’s little evidence of a spike in the frequency or intensity of floods, droughts, hurricanes and tornadoes. There have been more heat waves and intense precipitation, but these phenomena are not significant drivers of disaster costs. In fact, today’s climate models suggest that future changes in extremes that cause the most damage won’t be detectable in the statistics of weather (or damage) for many decades.




http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/disasters-cost-more-than-ever-but-not-because-of-climate-change/


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Re: NASA: September 2014 Hottest In Recorded Weather History [Re: imachavel]
    #20752185 - 10/25/14 03:50 PM (9 years, 5 months ago)

Imac, there is a thread on sept and I believe aug being record breakers. You are like zap in that you want to be spoon fed.


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Re: NASA: September 2014 Hottest In Recorded Weather History [Re: Stonehenge]
    #20752298 - 10/25/14 04:25 PM (9 years, 5 months ago)

"Global Highlights

    The combined average temperature over global land and ocean surfaces for September 2014 was the highest on record for September, at 0.72°C (1.30°F) above the 20th century average of 15.0°C (59.0°F).
    The global land surface temperature was 0.89°C (1.60°F) above the 20th century average of 12.0°C (53.6°F), the sixth highest for September on record. For the ocean, the September global sea surface temperature was 0.66°C (1.19°F) above the 20th century average of 16.2°C (61.1°F), the highest on record for September and also the highest on record for any month.
    The combined global land and ocean average surface temperature for the January–September period (year-to-date) was 0.68°C (1.22°F) above the 20th century average of 14.1°C (57.5°F), tying with 1998 as the warmest such period on record."




you expect me to be impressed by this "highest average" stuff?



Why don't you read this, and get some science in your head:


"What Evidence Exists of Unnatural Recent Global Warming?

Cyclical, abrupt and dramatic global and regional temperature fluctuations have occurred over millions of years. Many natural factors are known to contribute to these changes, although even the most sophisticated climate models and theories they are based on cannot predict the timing, scale (either up or down), or future impacts- much less the marginal contributions of various human influences.

While global warming has been trumpeted as an epic climate change crisis with human-produced CO2, a trace atmospheric “greenhouse gas” branded as a primary culprit and endangering “pollutant,” remember that throughout earlier periods of Earth’s history CO2 levels have been between four and eighteen times higher than now, with temperature changes preceding, not following atmospheric CO2 changes.

Has there been “recent” warming? Yes, the global climate has definitely warmed since the Little Ice Age (about 1400-1700 AD), and it will likely continue to warm for another 200-300 years, in fits and starts, towards a max temp roughly matching that of the Medieval Warm Period. That time followed a colder period before the founding of Rome between about 750 BC to 200 BC. By 150 BC the climate had warmed enough for the first grapes and olives to be cultivated in northern Italy. As recently as 1,000 years ago, Icelandic Vikings were raising cattle, sheep and goats in grasslands on Greenland’s southwestern coast.

Then, around 1200, temperatures began to drop, and Norse settlements were abandoned by about 1350. Atlantic pack ice began to grow around 1250, and shortened growing seasons and unreliable weather patterns, including torrential rains in Northern Europe, led to the “Great Famine” of 1315-1317."

http://www.forbes.com/sites/larrybell/2013/08/21/the-new-york-times-global-warming-hysteria-ignores-17-years-of-flat-global-temperatures/


your evidence is highly unsubstantial and you just won't admit it. How many more "links" do I need to show you?


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Re: NASA: September 2014 Hottest In Recorded Weather History [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #20752413 - 10/25/14 04:54 PM (9 years, 5 months ago)

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Indeed, and mankind has had an undeniable impact on that change.



Fact not in evidence


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Re: NASA: September 2014 Hottest In Recorded Weather History [Re: imachavel]
    #20752435 - 10/25/14 04:58 PM (9 years, 5 months ago)

So imac knows more than nasa? You cherry pick almost as well as zapper.


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Re: NASA: September 2014 Hottest In Recorded Weather History [Re: Stonehenge]
    #20752468 - 10/25/14 05:11 PM (9 years, 5 months ago)

It never ceases to amaze.  Even the IPCC says there has been no warming for 18 years.  Go piss up a rope with your anecdotes


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Re: NASA: September 2014 Hottest In Recorded Weather History [Re: Stonehenge]
    #20752536 - 10/25/14 05:26 PM (9 years, 5 months ago)

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So imac knows more than nasa? You cherry pick almost as well as zapper.




When did "NASA" claim "the warming that is melting the ice caps is significant to changes in the atmosphere created by warming as a direct result of too much co2 in the atmosphere"?

Let's get real scientific about this. Stonehenge, if you were to measure the co2 percentage that makes up our atmosphere right now, what would it be in comparison to the percentage of co2 that existed in the atmosphere let's say, 75 years ago? Can you please answer that?


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Re: NASA: September 2014 Hottest In Recorded Weather History [Re: imachavel]
    #20752567 - 10/25/14 05:35 PM (9 years, 5 months ago)

Yep, the luddites don't even believe nasa, they figure its full of pointy headed professors shooting rockets. Nasa is an anecdote? Photographic evidence doesn't count?


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Re: NASA: September 2014 Hottest In Recorded Weather History [Re: zappaisgod] * 2
    #20763231 - 10/28/14 10:15 AM (9 years, 4 months ago)

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Indeed, and mankind has had an undeniable impact on that change.



Fact not in evidence




I guess virtually all climate scientists are making it up, then. They should've consulted an expert like you.


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Re: NASA: September 2014 Hottest In Recorded Weather History [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #20764275 - 10/28/14 03:11 PM (9 years, 4 months ago)



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Re: NASA: September 2014 Hottest In Recorded Weather History [Re: zappaisgod]
    #20764286 - 10/28/14 03:12 PM (9 years, 4 months ago)

I guess the sea level is rising for no reason. Mother nature is just tricking us into thinking its global warming.


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Re: NASA: September 2014 Hottest In Recorded Weather History [Re: Stonehenge]
    #20764324 - 10/28/14 03:21 PM (9 years, 4 months ago)

You CAN VERIFY that the sea level is rising? So in all parts of the world, regardless of tidal changes because of the moons orbit and seasons and areas that experience different tides based on different seasons, the sea level is rising, in all parts of the world. UNDENIABLY

You have proven this? Did I miss this? Where is this IRREFUTABLE EVIDENCE?


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Re: NASA: September 2014 Hottest In Recorded Weather History [Re: zappaisgod]
    #20764339 - 10/28/14 03:24 PM (9 years, 4 months ago)

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Another fact not in evidence. 
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2013/06/01/tol-statistically-deconstructs-the-97-consensus/





this is simply propaganda in the opposite direction. It proves nothing, just kind of bashes a researchers evidence

:trololol:

sure is funny as shit though


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Re: NASA: September 2014 Hottest In Recorded Weather History [Re: Stonehenge]
    #20764377 - 10/28/14 03:33 PM (9 years, 4 months ago)

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I guess the sea level is rising for no reason. Mother nature is just tricking us into thinking its global warming.



Sea level has been rising for over 10,000 years


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Re: NASA: September 2014 Hottest In Recorded Weather History [Re: imachavel]
    #20764908 - 10/28/14 05:43 PM (9 years, 4 months ago)

There you go, imac. Your hero zappa says sea levels are rising. Ask him for the proof.

>Sea level has been rising for over 10,000 years


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Re: NASA: September 2014 Hottest In Recorded Weather History [Re: imachavel]
    #20764955 - 10/28/14 05:53 PM (9 years, 4 months ago)

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So imac knows more than nasa? You cherry pick almost as well as zapper.




When did "NASA" claim "the warming that is melting the ice caps is significant to changes in the atmosphere created by warming as a direct result of too much co2 in the atmosphere"?

Let's get real scientific about this. Stonehenge, if you were to measure the co2 percentage that makes up our atmosphere right now, what would it be in comparison to the percentage of co2 that existed in the atmosphere let's say, 75 years ago? Can you please answer that?



Just by eyeballing this graph C02 levels have increased 20%

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Re: NASA: September 2014 Hottest In Recorded Weather History [Re: i like cow poo]
    #20765029 - 10/28/14 06:11 PM (9 years, 4 months ago)

Not one to question that graph, but what is up with co2 levels rising almost 100 ppm between 1980 and 2000 in years? There weren't cars in 1970? Really skeptical over the graph.

Anyway you are doing better then Stonehenge, I'll give you that. But if the ppm has gone up over 100 where is the correlated evidence that's enough co2 to cause the global warming effects that are apparently melting the poles?

Can't they somehow measure and calculate the mass of the planet and size it down in a laboratory experiment with UV light passing into an 'atmosphere', one with normal parts per million co2 and one with 100 extra ppm and see if ice melts significantly faster at a percentage rate equivalent to how the poles are significantly melting?

Cmon...... People nailed down nuclear fission, and figured out an atom being split could create devastation in square miles of destruction. If those two measurements can be equated on such a massively different scale, why they can't they prove global co2 levels are raising the ocean levels?



Because seriously, so far, they haven't. I don't really feel 300 parts per million is fucking DRASTIC anyway. I mean, if we are talking 300 radioactive plutonium parts per million, OK. But if we are talking co2, I'm not too impressed


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Re: NASA: September 2014 Hottest In Recorded Weather History [Re: imachavel]
    #20765074 - 10/28/14 06:21 PM (9 years, 4 months ago)

You obviously don't know much about ecology. It is arguably one of the most complex and incomplete scientific fields ever studied.
You're talking about feelings. I'm talking science. Greenhouse gases are what keeps this planet from freezing over. There has been a rise in greenhouse gases. Thus the planet is getting warmer on average. There is your simple 5th grade explanation. I hope you can understand it.

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Re: NASA: September 2014 Hottest In Recorded Weather History *DELETED* [Re: i like cow poo]
    #20765537 - 10/28/14 08:16 PM (9 years, 4 months ago)

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Reason for deletion: ehh, too much rambling and repetitiveness



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