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8 days no pinning should i be worried?
    #20732434 - 10/21/14 07:16 AM (9 years, 5 months ago)

Hi guys,
First time growing mushrooms, these are BRF cakes inoculated with P.cubensis spores and the strain is Cambodian, they have been in my SGFC for 8 days now and still no signs of pinning =( as u can see in pics the chamber sits directly under my fish tank lights set on a timer, and the lights do not give off heat so that's no the problem, i been misting at least 3  times a day and fanning at least 3 to 5 times a day (i would like to do this more but i have work commitments so sometimes it may take 8 hours till i can fan and mist but i have drilled small holes in every side of the container).

however the weather lately has been cold during the last week (around 18 to 20 Celsius).

So should i be worried that there is no pinning yet?

please see pics.


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Re: 8 days no pinning should i be worried? [Re: koifish199]
    #20732552 - 10/21/14 08:09 AM (9 years, 5 months ago)

Does your shot gun have holes on all 6 side?

8 days is too soon to worry.  It could pin overnight, depends on genetics and conditions.  It looks like your conditions are almost right.  Id raise the FC a little higher off the table and make sure you are not misting too much.  Only mist when it looks dry.  I really dont like the chunky Vermiculite, most of my problems come when using this stuff.

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Re: 8 days no pinning should i be worried? [Re: Edmunter]
    #20732613 - 10/21/14 08:33 AM (9 years, 5 months ago)

Did you give them time to consolidate before birthing?


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Re: 8 days no pinning should i be worried? [Re: Ononis]
    #20732630 - 10/21/14 08:43 AM (9 years, 5 months ago)

That fruiting chamber is poorly constructed.


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Re: 8 days no pinning should i be worried? [Re: Ononis]
    #20732685 - 10/21/14 09:01 AM (9 years, 5 months ago)

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Did you give them time to consolidate before birthing?



Good question....

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Re: 8 days no pinning should i be worried? [Re: Ononis]
    #20732754 - 10/21/14 09:30 AM (9 years, 5 months ago)

yes, i left them 1 week befoe birthing and yes it has holes on all 6 sides

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Re: 8 days no pinning should i be worried? [Re: TheMustardTiger]
    #20732780 - 10/21/14 09:35 AM (9 years, 5 months ago)

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That fruiting chamber is poorly constructed.




that may be true however the whole point of the fruiting chamber to my understanding is to hold high humidity (which mine does exactly that) and i am fanning it as often as i believe is required. however i am over misting i think, i didn't know i need to wait until it starts getting dry and then mist so i will do that from now on.

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Re: 8 days no pinning should i be worried? [Re: koifish199]
    #20732810 - 10/21/14 09:40 AM (9 years, 5 months ago)

I'm not sure if there's supposed to be droplets of water on the foil, but your cakes don't look soaked.

Is that lid seran wrap?


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Re: 8 days no pinning should i be worried? [Re: Pudgy]
    #20732823 - 10/21/14 09:44 AM (9 years, 5 months ago)

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I'm not sure if there's supposed to be droplets of water on the foil, but your cakes don't look soaked.

Is that lid seran wrap?




yes it is seran wrap, and those droplets of water on the foil is because i took those pictures after i misted the chamber

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Re: 8 days no pinning should i be worried? [Re: koifish199]
    #20732828 - 10/21/14 09:46 AM (9 years, 5 months ago)

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That fruiting chamber is poorly constructed.




that may be true however the whole point of the fruiting chamber to my understanding is to hold high humidity (which mine does exactly that) and i am fanning it as often as i believe is required. however i am over misting i think, i didn't know i need to wait until it starts getting dry and then mist so i will do that from now on.




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Re: 8 days no pinning should i be worried? [Re: koifish199]
    #20732831 - 10/21/14 09:47 AM (9 years, 5 months ago)

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That fruiting chamber is poorly constructed.




that may be true however the whole point of the fruiting chamber to my understanding is to hold high humidity (which mine does exactly that) and i am fanning it as often as i believe is required. however i am over misting i think, i didn't know i need to wait until it starts getting dry and then mist so i will do that from now on.




The point of a SGFC is so that you get high humidity and FAE at the same time.  Meaning that if you leave home for a few days it doesnt choke your growth.  Much of the air intake comes from the bottom, raising up through the damp perlite, and into the chamber with high water content, hence the high humidity.  You will tell how well your FC is set up later on in your grow when the mushrooms appear.  For now lets see. Best of luck buddy I hope it all works for you.

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Re: 8 days no pinning should i be worried? [Re: TheMustardTiger]
    #20732836 - 10/21/14 09:47 AM (9 years, 5 months ago)

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That fruiting chamber is poorly constructed.




that may be true however the whole point of the fruiting chamber to my understanding is to hold high humidity (which mine does exactly that) and i am fanning it as often as i believe is required. however i am over misting i think, i didn't know i need to wait until it starts getting dry and then mist so i will do that from now on.




Your understanding is incorrect.




please correct me... if i am doing something wrong i want to fix it that's why i started this thread in the first place.

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Re: 8 days no pinning should i be worried? [Re: koifish199]
    #20732844 - 10/21/14 09:49 AM (9 years, 5 months ago)

You want high humidity, FAE and evaporation off of the substrate.  You should have built it to spec.


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Re: 8 days no pinning should i be worried? [Re: TheMustardTiger]
    #20732848 - 10/21/14 09:50 AM (9 years, 5 months ago)

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You want high humidity, FAE and evaporation off of the substrate.  You should have built it to spec.




all of those 3 things are occurring

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Re: 8 days no pinning should i be worried? [Re: koifish199]
    #20732857 - 10/21/14 09:54 AM (9 years, 5 months ago)

The only thing id do before panicking Koi is raise it a little higher from the table top.

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Re: 8 days no pinning should i be worried? [Re: TheMustardTiger]
    #20732858 - 10/21/14 09:54 AM (9 years, 5 months ago)

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That fruiting chamber is poorly constructed.



:whathesaid:


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Re: 8 days no pinning should i be worried? [Re: PurePleasure]
    #20732868 - 10/21/14 09:57 AM (9 years, 5 months ago)

Does the seran wrap have holes?


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Re: 8 days no pinning should i be worried? [Re: Pudgy]
    #20732938 - 10/21/14 10:23 AM (9 years, 5 months ago)

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Does the seran wrap have holes?




:facepalm3: stupid me it does not... let me fix that now and ill post pics.

what i did was i took the original lid for the container and just drilled holes in it, the reason i didn't use the lid in the first place i thought it would block out the light but that doesn't seem to be a problem.


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Re: 8 days no pinning should i be worried? [Re: koifish199]
    #20733014 - 10/21/14 10:49 AM (9 years, 5 months ago)

Use the original lid. Mushrooms dont need light the same way plants do.

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Re: 8 days no pinning should i be worried? [Re: Edmunter]
    #20733045 - 10/21/14 11:02 AM (9 years, 5 months ago)

Yay! :thumbup:

I hope that helps a little bit. Good luck man, I'll keep following -- pinsssss!!


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Re: 8 days no pinning should i be worried? [Re: Pudgy]
    #20735948 - 10/21/14 10:02 PM (9 years, 5 months ago)

thanks for all the advise guys, ill be sure to post back once i have some success (with pictures :thumbup: )

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Re: 8 days no pinning should i be worried? [Re: koifish199]
    #20736175 - 10/21/14 11:01 PM (9 years, 5 months ago)

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koifish199 said:
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That fruiting chamber is poorly constructed.




that may be true however the whole point of the fruiting chamber to my understanding is to hold high humidity (which mine does exactly that) and i am fanning it as often as i believe is required. however i am over misting i think, i didn't know i need to wait until it starts getting dry and then mist so i will do that from now on.




Your understanding is incorrect.




please correct me... if i am doing something wrong i want to fix it that's why i started this thread in the first place.




If you really want to fix your problems drill 1/4 inch holes 2 inches apart on all six sides.

What you have right now is lack luster.


Edit: I also suggest you trim your foil. You want it to be relatively the same size as the cakes.

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Re: 8 days no pinning should i be worried? [Re: ToxicDuck]
    #20736837 - 10/22/14 05:09 AM (9 years, 5 months ago)

so i made a new SGFC, ill attach pics.

hows this compared to the last one? lol


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Re: 8 days no pinning should i be worried? [Re: koifish199]
    #20737199 - 10/22/14 09:08 AM (9 years, 5 months ago)

I really like it, it's cool. How do you fan and mist since it's so close to the light?

Do you pull it down to mist/fan and show some love to your grow?


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Re: 8 days no pinning should i be worried? [Re: Pudgy]
    #20737213 - 10/22/14 09:12 AM (9 years, 5 months ago)

It looks really cool.  I hope those holes arn't too close together.  Im sure it will be fine.

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Re: 8 days no pinning should i be worried? [Re: Pudgy]
    #20737544 - 10/22/14 11:14 AM (9 years, 5 months ago)

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I really like it, it's cool. How do you fan and mist since it's so close to the light?

Do you pull it down to mist/fan and show some love to your grow?




yeah, i bring the box down carefully to mist and fan xD

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Re: 8 days no pinning should i be worried? [Re: koifish199]
    #20737572 - 10/22/14 11:19 AM (9 years, 5 months ago)

No worries haha. Not like tam is gonna grow in your perlite straight up to your fellas. I just asked because I was curious :smile:


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    #20737589 - 10/22/14 11:24 AM (9 years, 5 months ago)

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No worries haha. Not like tam is gonna grow in your perlite straight up to your fellas. I just asked because I was curious :smile:




so its been 10 days now still no pins :/ i don't know if i should be worried or not (i am worried lol)

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Re: 8 days no pinning should i be worried? [Re: koifish199]
    #20737601 - 10/22/14 11:26 AM (9 years, 5 months ago)

I don't know dude, any stinkyness? Just chill! :smile: have faith in your hearty fellas dude, if they got this far they'll come through.


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    #20737608 - 10/22/14 11:27 AM (9 years, 5 months ago)

There was another thread a guy posted, "9 days no pins" or something similar to that and 9 hours or so later a pin popped ahha. They could pin anytime.


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Re: 8 days no pinning should i be worried? [Re: Pudgy]
    #20737612 - 10/22/14 11:28 AM (9 years, 5 months ago)

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I don't know dude, any stinkyness? Just chill! :smile: have faith in your hearty fellas dude, if they got this far they'll come through.




Yea your right, I'm sure my patience shall be rewarded =D

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Re: 8 days no pinning should i be worried? [Re: koifish199]
    #20737619 - 10/22/14 11:31 AM (9 years, 5 months ago)

I'm rooting for you man! I am babying my agar and gonna drop some of my myc onto grain tonight, so I'll be where you are soon. :mushroom2:


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Re: 8 days no pinning should i be worried? [Re: Pudgy]
    #20738040 - 10/22/14 01:31 PM (9 years, 5 months ago)

My one cake took 14 days to pin. Now he's my best performer. Patience. The cake will pin when it wants :P. Just gotta let them do their thing.

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Re: 8 days no pinning should i be worried? [Re: ToxicDuck]
    #20741726 - 10/23/14 06:46 AM (9 years, 5 months ago)

i think i just got my first pin =D (YAY), please see pictures and confirm that it is indeed a pin, i couldn't find anymore though just 1 pin out of the 3 cakes i have.


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    #20741739 - 10/23/14 06:55 AM (9 years, 5 months ago)

It looks like that cake is turtle heading!

Yeah dude, I was going to bump your thread but I didn't want to seem more excited than you about it hahaha. Awesome! Congratulations!



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    #20741773 - 10/23/14 07:10 AM (9 years, 5 months ago)

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It looks like that cake is turtle heading!

Yeah dude, I was going to bump your thread but I didn't want to seem more excited than you about it hahaha. Awesome! Congratulations!







hehe thanks =)

also is it safe to assume that i can expect more of these popping up in the coming days?

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    #20742074 - 10/23/14 08:49 AM (9 years, 5 months ago)

Time will tell :smile:


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    #20746717 - 10/24/14 10:01 AM (9 years, 5 months ago)

Any new pins? :smile:


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    #20746751 - 10/24/14 10:08 AM (9 years, 5 months ago)

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Any new pins? :smile:




when i got home from work today, i noticed at-least 6 new pins =D hoping for even more! but I'm extremely happy so far =D thanks for asking :smile:

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    #20746761 - 10/24/14 10:10 AM (9 years, 5 months ago)

Congrats... PPPIIICCCSSSS!!!! :rockon:


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    #20746776 - 10/24/14 10:13 AM (9 years, 5 months ago)

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Congrats... PPPIIICCCSSSS!!!! :rockon:




i will post some up tomorrow =) its really dark now and I'm sleepy xD (3am here)

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    #20746795 - 10/24/14 10:17 AM (9 years, 5 months ago)

Oh haha, did I wake you up? My bad. :tongue:


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    #20749342 - 10/24/14 09:08 PM (9 years, 5 months ago)

pics :laugh:


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    #20749705 - 10/24/14 10:33 PM (9 years, 5 months ago)

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pics :laugh:






Looking good :thumbup:

Trim that foil down though, you want it to be as close to the size of the cake as possible :smile:.

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Re: 8 days no pinning should i be worried? [Re: ToxicDuck]
    #20750234 - 10/25/14 03:02 AM (9 years, 5 months ago)

:whathesaid:

Air passes up through the perlite which creates the humidity.


Has anyone ever had great flushes using this chunky vermiculite? On these cakes it looks a little too stuck/dug into the cake.  Its supposed to be lightly rolled so that it creates the right humidity at the surface of the cake so pins can form.  If its packed on this tight im not sure if that can happen.  Now ive never done cakes and im just using the science I understand about the way Hyphal knots form.  Maybe an expert can put me right?

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Re: 8 days no pinning should i be worried? [Re: Edmunter]
    #20750414 - 10/25/14 05:56 AM (9 years, 5 months ago)

its ok if i touch the cakes at this stage? (to move them so i can take the foil and trim)

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    #20750419 - 10/25/14 05:57 AM (9 years, 5 months ago)

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    #20750422 - 10/25/14 05:57 AM (9 years, 5 months ago)

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ok sweet ill do that now then.

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    #20750522 - 10/25/14 06:53 AM (9 years, 5 months ago)

So i harvested my first shroom from the cakes, as i was taking the cakes off the foil to trim the foil i noticed one of the mushrooms had no veil so i harvested it, but its pretty small (see pics), now this is my first time growing also i have never tried shrooms before, anyway my question is will this small shroom be enough for a first time to feel anything trip worthy?

(also please note that the lighter in the picture is the small size version of the BIC lighters)


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Re: 8 days no pinning should i be worried? [Re: koifish199]
    #20750553 - 10/25/14 07:16 AM (9 years, 5 months ago)

I'd wait to have more just in case. That's a cool shroom congrats man!

Haha my grain jar had a green grain! :mad2:

Start over :grin:


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Re: 8 days no pinning should i be worried? [Re: Pudgy]
    #20750564 - 10/25/14 07:19 AM (9 years, 5 months ago)

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Pudgy said:
I'd wait to have more just in case. That's a cool shroom congrats man!

Haha my grain jar had a green grain! :mad2:

Start over :grin:




aww sorry to hear about the green grain :frown:,

anyway before i read your post i just ate the shroom like 5 minutes ago xD see what happens...

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Re: 8 days no pinning should i be worried? [Re: koifish199]
    #20750569 - 10/25/14 07:21 AM (9 years, 5 months ago)

LOL! Nice dude!

Oh I'm sure that's not the last green grain I'll see. I don't give a hoot.


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Re: 8 days no pinning should i be worried? [Re: Pudgy]
    #20750777 - 10/25/14 08:47 AM (9 years, 5 months ago)

Put in front of a fan to dry it, put it in a jar or plastic lidded box and save in the fridge till you get 2 grams dried.  That should give you a decent hit for your first time.  I put a deoxygenater packet in with them.  You get these in packets of beef jerky, you now the ones?

1 Gram will give you a buzz, 5 grams will have you speaking with the aliens.

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Re: 8 days no pinning should i be worried? [Re: koifish199]
    #22652321 - 12/13/15 10:53 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

He's CUTE





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