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Re: noob question [Re: spacechildo]
    #20721292 - 10/18/14 05:52 PM (9 years, 5 months ago)

Sorry terrible GE (gas exchange) and it cause my half colonized jar to stall....  Ok so why do u assume i have a bacterial contam??

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Re: noob question [Re: beave928]
    #20721296 - 10/18/14 05:54 PM (9 years, 5 months ago)

If I get this shit to work for me more than once can someone give me some shroomery cred and rate a brotha :-).

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Re: noob question [Re: beave928]
    #20721303 - 10/18/14 05:56 PM (9 years, 5 months ago)

how can you have bad GE in a jar with 4 holes?
I dont assume, I can tell thats bacteria because of the way it looks.

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Re: noob question [Re: spacechildo]
    #20721360 - 10/18/14 06:15 PM (9 years, 5 months ago)

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yep, but its hard to get the process done cleanly. like the bacteria in your jars show.

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try this, Muda's LI tek



Wait wait wait..
hold the phone.
are you using coffee filters as a filter media?
do you still have a verm barrier?


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Re: noob question [Re: PurePleasure]
    #20721412 - 10/18/14 06:27 PM (9 years, 5 months ago)

I still have a dry verm layer that's just for the steaming processes and foil over it...  The jar didn't have 4 nail holes it had a self healing nock point and a lil filter that got clogged with verm and didn't allow any gas exchange

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Re: noob question [Re: beave928]
    #20721426 - 10/18/14 06:30 PM (9 years, 5 months ago)

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I still have a dry verm layer that's just for the steaming processes and foil over it...  The jar didn't have 4 nail holes it had a self healing nock point and a lil filter that got clogged with verm and didn't allow any gas exchange



the brf method with 4 holes is the simplest.


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Re: noob question [Re: spacechildo]
    #20721431 - 10/18/14 06:31 PM (9 years, 5 months ago)

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I dont assume, I can tell thats bacteria because of the way it looks.





I'm not calling you a liar but I don't think so an I really hope not!!  Read my very first post PussyFart made the comment that I had bacterial growth but I don't feel that it was. It had that perfect mushy smell. I've read you will know the smell when u have a bacterial contam? Myc won't colonize over bacteria so why did my cake colonize %100 if i had a contam?  All my jars look exactly the same and  fruiting them with no problems?

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Re: noob question [Re: PurePleasure]
    #20721436 - 10/18/14 06:33 PM (9 years, 5 months ago)

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the brf method with 4 holes is the simplest.





I realize that now... I intend on buying a case of the short wide 1/2 pints and poking 4 nail holes with a dry verm layer and I should ever have a prob w GE and contams can't seem to get past dry verm :-)

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Re: noob question [Re: beave928]
    #20721441 - 10/18/14 06:34 PM (9 years, 5 months ago)

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I dont assume, I can tell thats bacteria because of the way it looks.





I'm not calling you a liar but I don't think so an I really hope not!!  Read my very first post PussyFart made the comment that I had bacterial growth but I don't feel that it was. It had that perfect mushy smell. I've read you will know the smell when u have a bacterial contam? so why did my cake colonize %100 if i had a contam?  All my jars look exactly the same and  fruiting them with no problems?



Yep your right, pussyfart must be wrong if you dont think so. You know.. since your jars didn't smell like bacteria:rofl:
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Myc won't colonize over bacteria



This is FALSE


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Re: noob question [Re: beave928]
    #20721451 - 10/18/14 06:36 PM (9 years, 5 months ago)

If there was say a 3/8 diameter hole on top where I removed the rubber self healing thing would it be too big a hole to leave open with a dry verm layer? I've been putting a piece of micro spore tape over the big hole I was worried a contam can get in if it's a big hole?

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    #20721460 - 10/18/14 06:38 PM (9 years, 5 months ago)

Don't put words in my mouth I never said he was wrong? Nobody ever explained how that works?! Will they grow together and still fruit?  Can a jar still look and be %100 colonized of it has bacteria??

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    #20721471 - 10/18/14 06:40 PM (9 years, 5 months ago)

I said I don't feel that statement was correct... That's my noob ass opinion everyone has one and it's not any easier when nobody explained how a bacterial contam works... I asked if anyone could further explain but noooooo...  Just that I had bacterial growth... Sounds like that's all I grow lol I'm a bacterial farmer lol

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Re: noob question [Re: beave928]
    #20721543 - 10/18/14 06:52 PM (9 years, 5 months ago)

the white stuff is bacteria.

just use 4 puncture holes, cover with micropore tape and inoculate through the tape.

www.mushroomvideos.com :thumbup:

edit; if you wanna see what bacteria looks like close up checkout purepleasure's threads :rofl::thumbup:

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Re: noob question [Re: spacechildo]
    #20722605 - 10/18/14 11:26 PM (9 years, 5 months ago)

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the white stuff is bacteria.

just use 4 puncture holes, cover with micropore tape and inoculate through the tape.

www.mushroomvideos.com :thumbup:

edit; if you wanna see what bacteria looks like close up checkout purepleasure's threads :rofl::thumbup:



Sorry, I couldn't help but laugh at this either...
My sig is proof of bacterial sub potential :dealwithit:


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Re: noob question [Re: beave928]
    #20722642 - 10/18/14 11:41 PM (9 years, 5 months ago)

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  Can a jar still look and be %100 colonized of it has bacteria??




yep, depending on the extent of the bacteria present and what kind.

Ive seen bacteria so strong the jars cant even germinate spores and grow  mycelium.
I've also seen cubensis mycelium woop some bacterial ass plenty of times leaving only a path of smoking metabolites behind.
unfortunately, It is a constant battle for the most part :frown:
bacteria usually never truly leaves though, just waits for the mycelium to become weak and to exhausted to fight.
again, the extent of bacteria plays the role,
I've had bacterial subs go as far as 5 and 6 flushes.
I have had bacterial subs put out 1 canopy, and the rest were about 2 inches tall and just exhausted lol.
OP,
Don't be discouraged
Most of your jars look like they are going to be healthy enough to put out some beautiful fruits for you :raisemyglass:


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Re: noob question [Re: PurePleasure]
    #20723744 - 10/19/14 10:23 AM (9 years, 5 months ago)

Making more and more sense!!!! Thank you so much pure pleasure!!! I needed an explanation like that the first time :-))) wow wow wow I love this hobby :-).

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Re: noob question [Re: beave928]
    #20723752 - 10/19/14 10:25 AM (9 years, 5 months ago)

The metabolites that get left behind?  Is that the "myc piss" or yellow stuff ppl speak of???

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Re: noob question [Re: beave928]
    #20724016 - 10/19/14 11:34 AM (9 years, 5 months ago)

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The metabolites that get left behind?  Is that the "myc piss" or yellow stuff ppl speak of???



Do me a favor and dont ever say myc piss again :tongue:.
That is metabolites.
Metabolites are usually present when the myc is under stress.
Like coming in contact with a contam or bacteria.
Most of your antibiotics are made from these metabolites that mushrooms produce.


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Re: noob question [Re: PurePleasure]
    #20725087 - 10/19/14 04:00 PM (9 years, 5 months ago)

Hahaha you got it!! Heard it around the forum before lol!!  Anyway yup I had it In my fully colonized jar so there had to be a battle at jar hill going on in there!!

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Re: noob question [Re: beave928]
    #20725208 - 10/19/14 04:28 PM (9 years, 5 months ago)

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Hahaha you got it!! Heard it around the forum before lol!!  Anyway yup I had it In my fully colonized jar so there had to be a battle at jar hill going on in there!!



:lol:
As long as your cakes colonize 100%, then go for it :thumbup:


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