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College Tuition is now FREE for the entire County! * 1
    #20662045 - 10/05/14 03:19 PM (9 years, 5 months ago)

...if you live in Germany.

This Country Just Abolished College Tuition Fees

I suspect conservatives on this board would argue that somehow this makes German citizens less "free", and that they'd rather bear a crushing tuition debt rather than allowing their freedom to be "taken away".  Or am I wrong about them thinking this is a bad thing???  :shrug:


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Re: College Tuition is now FREE for the entire County! [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #20662076 - 10/05/14 03:29 PM (9 years, 5 months ago)

Most people don't need college educations this push to shove more people into college is a leftist ploy to make debt slaves of the average american. And if it was free SHIT taxes would skyrocket fuck that. College degrees don't fix the economy.


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Re: College Tuition is now FREE for the entire County! [Re: Gilgamesh18] * 1
    #20662197 - 10/05/14 03:58 PM (9 years, 5 months ago)

Not sure what you mean by "Most people don't need college educations..."  Statistically, you're likely to earn close to twice as much money with a college degree:



I guess most people don't "need" to earn twice as much, but I suspect most people want to.

As for taxes, people who don't go to college statistically won't make enough money to pay taxes anyway, so they wouldn't get hurt.  And people who do go to college only pay in proportion to what it earned them, so they'll come out ahead too.


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Re: College Tuition is now FREE for the entire County! [Re: Gilgamesh18]
    #20662220 - 10/05/14 04:03 PM (9 years, 5 months ago)

Think Progress calls it free.  It isn't free.  Somebody is paying for it


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Re: College Tuition is now FREE for the entire County! [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #20662228 - 10/05/14 04:04 PM (9 years, 5 months ago)

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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
Not sure what you mean by "Most people don't need college educations..."  Statistically, you're likely to earn close to twice as much money with a college degree:



I guess most people don't "need" to earn twice as much, but I suspect most people want to.

As for taxes, people who don't go to college statistically won't make enough money to pay taxes anyway, so they wouldn't get hurt.  And people who do go to college only pay in proportion to what it earned them, so they'll come out ahead too.


You are going to have to do better than that to show that it is college that is causing the increased earning


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Re: College Tuition is now FREE for the entire County! [Re: zappaisgod] * 1
    #20662299 - 10/05/14 04:18 PM (9 years, 5 months ago)

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Think Progress calls it free.  It isn't free.  Somebody is paying for it




No, EVERYONE is paying for it. It's a commitment to advance the nation.

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Re: College Tuition is now FREE for the entire County! [Re: zappaisgod]
    #20662312 - 10/05/14 04:20 PM (9 years, 5 months ago)

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Think Progress calls it free.  It isn't free.  Somebody is paying for it



Duh.  :facepalm:  If anyone here is too dumb to understand that (which I doubt), I've already discussed it above.

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You are going to have to do better than that to show that it is college that is causing the increased earning



I've shown correlation.  If you don't believe there's causation, then please feel free to tell us all why college educated people, on average, make double.  :popcorn:


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Re: College Tuition is now FREE for the entire County! [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #20662381 - 10/05/14 04:36 PM (9 years, 5 months ago)

So are the teachers and staff workung for free etc? 
Object to your use of the word "free" and its a glaring example of your lack of wisdom.
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Re: College Tuition is now FREE for the entire County! [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #20662450 - 10/05/14 04:48 PM (9 years, 5 months ago)

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Think Progress calls it free.  It isn't free.  Somebody is paying for it



Duh.  :facepalm:  If anyone here is too dumb to understand that (which I doubt), I've already discussed it above.

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You are going to have to do better than that to show that it is college that is causing the increased earning



I've shown correlation.  If you don't believe there's causation, then please feel free to tell us all why college educated people, on average, make double.  :popcorn:



I do not bellieve they do make double but number one I would start with selection bias and also note that any metric that comes close to that includes my generation.  Idiots were not admitted to college back then.  Now let's talk about the number of people who are starting college and not finishing. 

My thesis is that for the vast majority of people if you are smart enough to complete a rigorous college program, which does not encompass any social science or grievance study, you are smart enough to do so without it.  The only university education worth a shit anymore is the hard sciences.  The rest is bunk that is being sold to shmucks in order to enrich a bunch of bureaucrats who contribute exactly nothing to education.


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Re: College Tuition is now FREE for the entire County! [Re: sweeper54]
    #20662453 - 10/05/14 04:49 PM (9 years, 5 months ago)

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Think Progress calls it free.  It isn't free.  Somebody is paying for it




No, EVERYONE is paying for it. It's a commitment to advance the nation.



Not true.  Only the few who pay taxes are paying for it.  What's your tax bill?


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Re: College Tuition is now FREE for the entire County! [Re: Shins] * 1
    #20662485 - 10/05/14 04:55 PM (9 years, 5 months ago)

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So are the teachers and staff workung for free etc? 
Object to your use of the word "free" and its a glaring example of your lack of wisdom.




Sigh.  :rolleyes:

Let me repost what I previously stated since some of you don't bother reading:

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As for taxes, people who don't go to college statistically won't make enough money to pay taxes anyway, so they wouldn't get hurt.  And people who do go to college only pay in proportion to what it earned them, so they'll come out ahead too.




Taxes will never go away, so we just need to better prioritize how our money is spent and vote corporate cronies out.


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Re: College Tuition is now FREE for the entire County! [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #20662545 - 10/05/14 05:06 PM (9 years, 5 months ago)

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Shins said:
So are the teachers and staff workung for free etc? 
Object to your use of the word "free" and its a glaring example of your lack of wisdom.




Sigh.  :rolleyes:

Let me repost what I previously stated since some of you don't bother reading:

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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
As for taxes, people who don't go to college statistically won't make enough money to pay taxes anyway, so they wouldn't get hurt.  And people who do go to college only pay in proportion to what it earned them, so they'll come out ahead too.




Taxes will never go away, so we just need to better prioritize how our money is spent and vote corporate cronies out.




We need to get rid of the corporate tax entirely and either tax all income the same or all consumption the same.  It will end corporate cronyism and corporate welfare.  :And get rid of the fucking death tax as well.


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Re: College Tuition is now FREE for the entire County! [Re: zappaisgod]
    #20662617 - 10/05/14 05:22 PM (9 years, 5 months ago)

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We need to get rid of the corporate tax entirely and either tax all income the same or all consumption the same.  It will end corporate cronyism and corporate welfare.



I'd be fine with getting rid of the corporate tax and making up for it by restoring capital gains tax rates to at least match the income tax rate.  The poor currently aren't paid enough to tax them at the same rate.

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  :And get rid of the fucking death tax as well.



It's not a death tax, it's an estate tax, as it only has to be paid under certain circumstances, such as inheritance.  Why should rich kids get taxed less on unearned income than poor kids who work their ass off for the same money?  Besides, the first $5,000,000 of inheritance is currently tax free, so quit whining.


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Re: College Tuition is now FREE for the entire County! [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #20662809 - 10/05/14 06:00 PM (9 years, 5 months ago)

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We need to get rid of the corporate tax entirely and either tax all income the same or all consumption the same.  It will end corporate cronyism and corporate welfare.



I'd be fine with getting rid of the corporate tax and making up for it by restoring capital gains tax rates to at least match the income tax rate.  The poor currently aren't paid enough to tax them at the same rate.

I agree wiith getting rid of corporate and cap gains
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  :And get rid of the fucking death tax as well.



It's not a death tax, it's an estate tax, as it only has to be paid under certain circumstances, such as inheritance.  Why should rich kids get taxed less on unearned income than poor kids who work their ass off for the same money?  Besides, the first $5,000,000 of inheritance is currently tax free, so quit whining.




There is no reason why there should be an estate tax at all.  Should you pay a tax every time you give your kid  a present?


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Re: College Tuition is now FREE for the entire County! [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #20662843 - 10/05/14 06:07 PM (9 years, 5 months ago)

Student loans are one of the main ways that people build a good credit history from scratch, if not THE main way. Creditors LOVE to see someone who paid back their student loans, for two reasons. First because they have good credit obviously, but second because it means they went to college which normally means a higher lifetime income, statistically. And banks and creditors are all about those kinds of statistics.

If you want a house, get a student loan first. Student loans are really good for the people who pay them back. It's one of the easiest and best ways to build a quality credit history.

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Re: College Tuition is now FREE for the entire County! [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #20663194 - 10/05/14 07:06 PM (9 years, 5 months ago)

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...if you live in Germany.

This Country Just Abolished College Tuition Fees

I suspect conservatives on this board would argue that somehow this makes German citizens less "free", and that they'd rather bear a crushing tuition debt rather than allowing their freedom to be "taken away".  Or am I wrong about them thinking this is a bad thing???  :shrug:





hey, college tuition is free in many universities throughout the US, if you are a

'person of color' or 'underrepresented' or 'an undocumented immigrant'.

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Re: College Tuition is now FREE for the entire County! [Re: starfire_xes] * 1
    #20663319 - 10/05/14 07:34 PM (9 years, 5 months ago)

I think you're talking out of your ass.  Please cite a source showing a college offering full ride scholarships to undocumented immigrants.


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Re: College Tuition is now FREE for the entire County! [Re: Enlil]
    #20663486 - 10/05/14 08:14 PM (9 years, 5 months ago)

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I think you're talking out of your ass.  Please cite a source showing a college offering full ride scholarships to undocumented immigrants.




Heres rhe turd for ya

http://www.thecollegefix.com/post/11539/

If just 1 illegal immigrant gets a free ride, then my statement is correct.


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Re: College Tuition is now FREE for the entire County! [Re: starfire_xes]
    #20663530 - 10/05/14 08:26 PM (9 years, 5 months ago)

Actually, no...You said, "many"....one does not many make.  Thanks for the link, though.


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Re: College Tuition is now FREE for the entire County! [Re: nooneman] * 1
    #20664250 - 10/05/14 11:02 PM (9 years, 5 months ago)

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Student loans are one of the main ways that people build a good credit history from scratch, if not THE main way. Creditors LOVE to see someone who paid back their student loans, for two reasons. First because they have good credit obviously, but second because it means they went to college which normally means a higher lifetime income, statistically. And banks and creditors are all about those kinds of statistics.

If you want a house, get a student loan first. Student loans are really good for the people who pay them back. It's one of the easiest and best ways to build a quality credit history.


:facepalm:

There's other ways to establish a decent credit history without drowning oneself in student loan debt.

To suggest that student debt is some sort of good thing is ridiculous, who sold you on this concept? A college?

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