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GOP Congressman Warns Of The Real Social Ill Destroying American Values: Marijuana
    #20629615 - 09/28/14 07:22 AM (9 years, 5 months ago)

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WASHINGTON -- Conservatives are losing ground on the fight to keep marijuana illegal, a Republican congressman warned in dire terms at the Values Voter Summit.

During a conference mostly focused on religious liberty, abolishing the IRS and promoting small government, Rep. John Fleming (R-La.) delivered a full speech on the ills of decriminalizing and legalizing marijuana.

Fleming, a medical doctor, warned of a "growing acceptance" of marijuana -- a fact hard to deny, considering public opinion and state laws. Colorado and Washington state have legalized recreational marijuana, and 23 states and the District of Columbia have allowed the substance for medical use.

"The time for us to speak up on this issue is now," Fleming told the crowd of conservatives.

Fleming linked marijuana to deaths and domestic violence and said legalization supporters spread lies that marijuana is not addictive. Most supporters don't actually say it can't be addictive.

Of course, those ills apply even more so to alcohol. Asked about the comparison after his speech, Fleming acknowledged that there are problems with alcohol, but said it has been accepted by the culture for thousands of years, making prohibition "obviously problematic." The same social acceptance doesn't exist for marijuana, he said, echoing an argument he has made before.

"If you and I accept the fact that alcohol is a problem and a danger, is it logical to say, 'Well, instead of having one problem, that we should have two problems?'" he asked reporters after his speech. "Why add a second one if one is already causing problems?"

Fleming also dismissed the argument by advocates of legalization that it would allow states to collect significant amounts of tax revenue. A study released this month by personal finance site NerdWallet estimated that states would bring in a total $3.1 billion each year if they legalized marijuana.

The congressman said that more revenue may come in, but the cost of dealing with health issues, larger homeless populations and other social ills would make legal marijuana a net loss. (Whether Colorado's pot laws have actually drawn more homeless people is unclear.)

Fleming said he thinks efforts to keep marijuana illegal seem to be working -- at least to some degree. A recent study from the Public Religion Research Institute found that support for legalizing marijuana nationwide had dropped from 51 percent in 2013 to 44 percent this year.

But Fleming lamented that marijuana supporters remain unconvinced that the drug is dangerous.

"I'll show them the real science, and they just don't want to believe it because quite frankly, they want to smoke marijuana," Fleming said. "It's like if you're overweight. Who wants to cut back on eating when you enjoy eating? But it's still bad for your health."



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Re: GOP Congressman Warns Of The Real Social Ill Destroying American Values: Marijuana [Re: trampis] * 5
    #20629700 - 09/28/14 07:57 AM (9 years, 5 months ago)

There is so much facepalm in this article.  This guy is a piece of shit.


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Re: GOP Congressman Warns Of The Real Social Ill Destroying American Values: Marijuana [Re: trampis]
    #20629776 - 09/28/14 08:32 AM (9 years, 5 months ago)

So many on this site identify as "conservative". I often wonder why.....

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Re: GOP Congressman Warns Of The Real Social Ill Destroying American Values: Marijuana [Re: Le_Canard]
    #20629844 - 09/28/14 09:02 AM (9 years, 5 months ago)

This guy is probably on the "far right". Both sides are hypocrites and often shockingly stupid


"During a conference mostly focused on religious liberty, abolishing the IRS and promoting small government"

Kill yourself or take your garbage to another country.

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Re: GOP Congressman Warns Of The Real Social Ill Destroying American Values: Marijuana [Re: Pureless] * 1
    #20629855 - 09/28/14 09:05 AM (9 years, 5 months ago)

It's always amusing (but not really) when politicians who promote "small government" still advocate something like a war on marijuana. What a joke.

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Re: GOP Congressman Warns Of The Real Social Ill Destroying American Values: Marijuana [Re: trampis]
    #20629881 - 09/28/14 09:16 AM (9 years, 5 months ago)

The funniest part is that he thinks pot will cause 3.1+ billion in added healthcare costs per state. Are you kidding me, and this dude is a fucking doctor/congressman

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Re: GOP Congressman Warns Of The Real Social Ill Destroying American Values: Marijuana [Re: Le_Canard]
    #20629895 - 09/28/14 09:24 AM (9 years, 5 months ago)

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ToiletDuk said:
So many on this site identify as "conservative". I often wonder why.....



Because we support sound economic policies.


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Re: GOP Congressman Warns Of The Real Social Ill Destroying American Values: Marijuana [Re: Gilgamesh18] * 6
    #20629907 - 09/28/14 09:29 AM (9 years, 5 months ago)

Uhm hm, okay....

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Re: GOP Congressman Warns Of The Real Social Ill Destroying American Values: Marijuana [Re: Pureless]
    #20629976 - 09/28/14 09:55 AM (9 years, 5 months ago)

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Pureless said:
The funniest part is that he thinks pot will cause 3.1+ billion in added healthcare costs per state. Are you kidding me, and this dude is a fucking doctor/congressman



Pretty sure that is for the whole country, but yea blah blah now is the time before it is too late blah blah ect ect


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Re: GOP Congressman Warns Of The Real Social Ill Destroying American Values: Marijuana [Re: ReposadoXochipilli]
    #20629983 - 09/28/14 09:57 AM (9 years, 5 months ago)

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ReposadoXochipilli said:
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Pureless said:
The funniest part is that he thinks pot will cause 3.1+ billion in added healthcare costs per state. Are you kidding me, and this dude is a fucking doctor/congressman



Pretty sure that is for the whole country, but yea blah blah now is the time before it is too late blah blah ect ect




Yeah, you're right I read that wrong. Still, that's a huge number for all the states combined.

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Re: GOP Congressman Warns Of The Real Social Ill Destroying American Values: Marijuana [Re: Gilgamesh18] * 4
    #20630382 - 09/28/14 11:50 AM (9 years, 5 months ago)

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Gilgamesh18 said:
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ToiletDuk said:
So many on this site identify as "conservative". I often wonder why.....



Because we support sound economic policies.




And barbaric social policies.

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Re: GOP Congressman Warns Of The Real Social Ill Destroying American Values: Marijuana [Re: JacksonMetaller]
    #20630519 - 09/28/14 12:28 PM (9 years, 5 months ago)

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JacksonMetaller said:
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Gilgamesh18 said:
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ToiletDuk said:
So many on this site identify as "conservative". I often wonder why.....



Because we support sound economic policies.




And barbaric social policies.



I don't many conservatives on this board are fiscal conservatives pro free market small government, but support same sex marriage legalization of drugs. The old scare tactic that all conservatives are religious fanatics is silly and completely divorced from reality.


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Re: GOP Congressman Warns Of The Real Social Ill Destroying American Values: Marijuana [Re: JacksonMetaller]
    #20630561 - 09/28/14 12:37 PM (9 years, 5 months ago)

But psychedelics could actually destroy America.  If too many people use drugs that can make you see things from different perspectives then before long people will begin to question everything, including the beliefs that hold a society together.

Take the so called "American Dream", the idea that a lifetime of hard work and the rewards of money are what make life worthwhile.  If people start to question that ideal and explore other approaches to living then it will seriously affect our current economic and governmental power structures.

Psychedelics are ideological mutagens.  They break down established belief systems and allow the development of new paradigms.  As much as our strained social and economic power structures (along with our environment and approaches to health) might need an influx of new ideas, the people who currently have power and influence want no part of change.

Look at the flurry of new ideas that were born out of psychedelics in the sixties and seventies.  All of a sudden people stopped adhering to social norms and started exploring different approaches to life.  And all of a sudden people stopped doing what their government expected them to do.  It was in response to this breakdown in the ability to control people through social pressures that the War on Drugs was initiated.

So yes, widespread use of psychedelic drugs could quite possibly destroy the ideals that people equate with America.  They could help undermine the power structures of our world making it all but impossible to control people.  They could be a significant part of sweeping changes and radical new ideas.  And to that I say, "It's about fucking time."


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Re: GOP Congressman Warns Of The Real Social Ill Destroying American Values: Marijuana [Re: AllGreyThumbs]
    #20630586 - 09/28/14 12:43 PM (9 years, 5 months ago)

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AllGreyThumbs said:
But psychedelics could actually destroy America.  If too many people use drugs that can make you see things from different perspectives then before long people will begin to question everything, including the beliefs that hold a society together.

Take the so called "American Dream", the idea that a lifetime of hard work and the rewards of money are what make life worthwhile.  If people start to question that ideal and explore other approaches to living then it will seriously affect our current economic and governmental power structures.

Psychedelics are ideological mutagens.  They break down established belief systems and allow the development of new paradigms.  As much as our strained social and economic power structures (along with our environment and approaches to health) might need an influx of new ideas, the people who currently have power and influence want no part of change.

Look at the flurry of new ideas that were born out of psychedelics in the sixties and seventies.  All of a sudden people stopped adhering to social norms and started exploring different approaches to life.  And all of a sudden people stopped doing what their government expected them to do.  It was in response to this breakdown in the ability to control people through social pressures that the War on Drugs was initiated.

So yes, widespread use of psychedelic drugs could quite possibly destroy the ideals that people equate with America.  They could help undermine the power structures of our world making it all but impossible to control people.  They could be a significant part of sweeping changes and radical new ideas.  And to that I say, "It's about fucking time."



I have taken psychedelics many times and believe in the american system they are just drugs. They should be legal but all the same they won't turn you into a communist. :rofl:


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Re: GOP Congressman Warns Of The Real Social Ill Destroying American Values: Marijuana [Re: AllGreyThumbs]
    #20630628 - 09/28/14 12:53 PM (9 years, 5 months ago)

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AllGreyThumbs said:
But psychedelics could actually destroy America.  If too many people use drugs that can make you see things from different perspectives then before long people will begin to question everything, including the beliefs that hold a society together.

Take the so called "American Dream", the idea that a lifetime of hard work and the rewards of money are what make life worthwhile.  If people start to question that ideal and explore other approaches to living then it will seriously affect our current economic and governmental power structures.

Psychedelics are ideological mutagens.  They break down established belief systems and allow the development of new paradigms.  As much as our strained social and economic power structures (along with our environment and approaches to health) might need an influx of new ideas, the people who currently have power and influence want no part of change.

Look at the flurry of new ideas that were born out of psychedelics in the sixties and seventies.  All of a sudden people stopped adhering to social norms and started exploring different approaches to life.  And all of a sudden people stopped doing what their government expected them to do.  It was in response to this breakdown in the ability to control people through social pressures that the War on Drugs was initiated.

So yes, widespread use of psychedelic drugs could quite possibly destroy the ideals that people equate with America.  They could help undermine the power structures of our world making it all but impossible to control people.  They could be a significant part of sweeping changes and radical new ideas.  And to that I say, "It's about fucking time."




Well written, but....Many people living this "american dream" have tried psychedelics, realize that it's simply a drug, and moved on with their lives. I'm not insulting you or anyone, but not everyone has profound experiences on psychedelics that magically shifts them from proud american to some sort of wordly shaman.

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Re: GOP Congressman Warns Of The Real Social Ill Destroying American Values: Marijuana [Re: Pureless]
    #20630656 - 09/28/14 12:59 PM (9 years, 5 months ago)

The republicans will huff and puff about it while the dems nod their heads and jerk off foreigners under the table, so it's a win win.

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Re: GOP Congressman Warns Of The Real Social Ill Destroying American Values: Marijuana [Re: Pureless]
    #20630680 - 09/28/14 01:05 PM (9 years, 5 months ago)

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Well written, but....Many people living this "american dream" have tried psychedelics, realize that it's simply a drug, and moved on with their lives. I'm not insulting you or anyone, but not everyone has profound experiences on psychedelics that magically shifts them from proud american to some sort of wordly shaman.




  yes true not everyone does have the type of experience we are talking about, but what he is mentioning is the change the world saw when sooo many people were exposed to these chemicals and soo many of them did change the social norm and create a new way of living where if we had not been exposed to these chems these doors would have never been found in our lifetime if ever at all.


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Re: GOP Congressman Warns Of The Real Social Ill Destroying American Values: Marijuana [Re: whitelights]
    #20630747 - 09/28/14 01:21 PM (9 years, 5 months ago)

"I'll show them the real science, and they just don't want to believe it because quite frankly, they want to smoke marijuana," Fleming said. "It's like if you're overweight. Who wants to cut back on eating when you enjoy eating? But it's still bad for your health."

Making up facts does not equal "the real science".

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Re: GOP Congressman Warns Of The Real Social Ill Destroying American Values: Marijuana [Re: NotTheDevil]
    #20630763 - 09/28/14 01:25 PM (9 years, 5 months ago)

Can't think of any facts, so he deflects and just uses an analogy that makes no sense :lol:

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Re: GOP Congressman Warns Of The Real Social Ill Destroying American Values: Marijuana [Re: trampis]
    #20630783 - 09/28/14 01:30 PM (9 years, 5 months ago)

Its shocking how uninformed somebody in his position could be :facepalm:


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Re: GOP Congressman Warns Of The Real Social Ill Destroying American Values: Marijuana [Re: Gilgamesh18]
    #20630790 - 09/28/14 01:32 PM (9 years, 5 months ago)

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Gilgamesh18 said:
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JacksonMetaller said:
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Gilgamesh18 said:
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ToiletDuk said:
So many on this site identify as "conservative". I often wonder why.....



Because we support sound economic policies.




And barbaric social policies.



I don't many conservatives on this board are fiscal conservatives pro free market small government, but support same sex marriage legalization of drugs. The old scare tactic that all conservatives are religious fanatics is silly and completely divorced from reality.




Sorry im not trying to claim that they are. I was more pointing out that it's sad there's such a separation of logic between the two main parties as i would tend to agree with majority of fiscally conservative approaches. When it comes down to it i don't think the religious fanatics really promote true conservatism in any sense. But many of them identify as such and as a result it becomes a big part of the movement.

Edited by JacksonMetaller (09/28/14 01:33 PM)

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Re: GOP Congressman Warns Of The Real Social Ill Destroying American Values: Marijuana [Re: Pureless]
    #20630814 - 09/28/14 01:39 PM (9 years, 5 months ago)

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Pureless said:
Quote:

AllGreyThumbs said:
But psychedelics could actually destroy America.  If too many people use drugs that can make you see things from different perspectives then before long people will begin to question everything, including the beliefs that hold a society together.

Take the so called "American Dream", the idea that a lifetime of hard work and the rewards of money are what make life worthwhile.  If people start to question that ideal and explore other approaches to living then it will seriously affect our current economic and governmental power structures.

Psychedelics are ideological mutagens.  They break down established belief systems and allow the development of new paradigms.  As much as our strained social and economic power structures (along with our environment and approaches to health) might need an influx of new ideas, the people who currently have power and influence want no part of change.

Look at the flurry of new ideas that were born out of psychedelics in the sixties and seventies.  All of a sudden people stopped adhering to social norms and started exploring different approaches to life.  And all of a sudden people stopped doing what their government expected them to do.  It was in response to this breakdown in the ability to control people through social pressures that the War on Drugs was initiated.

So yes, widespread use of psychedelic drugs could quite possibly destroy the ideals that people equate with America.  They could help undermine the power structures of our world making it all but impossible to control people.  They could be a significant part of sweeping changes and radical new ideas.  And to that I say, "It's about fucking time."




Well written, but....Many people living this "american dream" have tried psychedelics, realize that it's simply a drug, and moved on with their lives. I'm not insulting you or anyone, but not everyone has profound experiences on psychedelics that magically shifts them from proud american to some sort of wordly shaman.




Sometimes it's hard for people to realize that the realizations they have on psychedelics are truths about themselves and not everyone. I've experienced a lot of universal truths on psychedelics as well but at the heart of them all is "everyones different". Yes, that does mean that some people genuinely do want the picket fence and the dog and the 2 kids and the daily grind that comes along with modern life. That said, it is important to alleviate the boundaries and social pressures placed on people who want variations of that life, or different lifestyles all together and accept their place in the madness as well

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Re: GOP Congressman Warns Of The Real Social Ill Destroying American Values: Marijuana [Re: JacksonMetaller]
    #20630872 - 09/28/14 01:53 PM (9 years, 5 months ago)

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JacksonMetaller said:
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Gilgamesh18 said:
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ToiletDuk said:
So many on this site identify as "conservative". I often wonder why.....



Because we support sound economic policies.




And barbaric social policies.



Anyone who wants marijuana to be federally illegal is not a true conservative or representative of conservative beliefs

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Re: GOP Congressman Warns Of The Real Social Ill Destroying American Values: Marijuana [Re: D.M.T]
    #20630924 - 09/28/14 02:07 PM (9 years, 5 months ago)

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D.M.T said:
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JacksonMetaller said:
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Gilgamesh18 said:
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ToiletDuk said:
So many on this site identify as "conservative". I often wonder why.....



Because we support sound economic policies.




And barbaric social policies.



Anyone who wants marijuana to be federally illegal is not a true conservative or representative of conservative beliefs




Agreed, i addressed that in a follow up post. But many of them identify as conservatives and so unfortunately that's what it's become. It's the same shit with liberals. New ideologies have been picked up by those who identify as such that have nothing to do with the original belief

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Re: GOP Congressman Warns Of The Real Social Ill Destroying American Values: Marijuana [Re: JacksonMetaller]
    #20630994 - 09/28/14 02:21 PM (9 years, 5 months ago)

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JacksonMetaller said:
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Pureless said:
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AllGreyThumbs said:
But psychedelics could actually destroy America.  If too many people use drugs that can make you see things from different perspectives then before long people will begin to question everything, including the beliefs that hold a society together.

Take the so called "American Dream", the idea that a lifetime of hard work and the rewards of money are what make life worthwhile.  If people start to question that ideal and explore other approaches to living then it will seriously affect our current economic and governmental power structures.

Psychedelics are ideological mutagens.  They break down established belief systems and allow the development of new paradigms.  As much as our strained social and economic power structures (along with our environment and approaches to health) might need an influx of new ideas, the people who currently have power and influence want no part of change.

Look at the flurry of new ideas that were born out of psychedelics in the sixties and seventies.  All of a sudden people stopped adhering to social norms and started exploring different approaches to life.  And all of a sudden people stopped doing what their government expected them to do.  It was in response to this breakdown in the ability to control people through social pressures that the War on Drugs was initiated.

So yes, widespread use of psychedelic drugs could quite possibly destroy the ideals that people equate with America.  They could help undermine the power structures of our world making it all but impossible to control people.  They could be a significant part of sweeping changes and radical new ideas.  And to that I say, "It's about fucking time."




Well written, but....Many people living this "american dream" have tried psychedelics, realize that it's simply a drug, and moved on with their lives. I'm not insulting you or anyone, but not everyone has profound experiences on psychedelics that magically shifts them from proud american to some sort of wordly shaman.




Sometimes it's hard for people to realize that the realizations they have on psychedelics are truths about themselves and not everyone. I've experienced a lot of universal truths on psychedelics as well but at the heart of them all is "everyones different". Yes, that does mean that some people genuinely do want the picket fence and the dog and the 2 kids and the daily grind that comes along with modern life. That said, it is important to alleviate the boundaries and social pressures placed on people who want variations of that life, or different lifestyles all together and accept their place in the madness as well




What do these people seeking said variation want to do that they can't do now?

If you are talking about legalizing drugs then yes I would agree. If you are talking about dropping off the grid, tax evasion,  etc then no. There's nothing wrong with a change of lifestyle, it just shouldn't come at others expense. pay yo dues!!!

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Re: GOP Congressman Warns Of The Real Social Ill Destroying American Values: Marijuana [Re: JacksonMetaller]
    #20631007 - 09/28/14 02:24 PM (9 years, 5 months ago)

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"I'll show them the real science, and they just don't want to believe it because quite frankly, they want to smoke marijuana," Fleming said. "It's like if you're overweight. Who wants to cut back on eating when you enjoy eating? But it's still bad for your health."




I don't understand why it matters if people just want to smoke marijuana. People's freedom should not be taken away from them because they just want to smoke marijuana. Even if it's bad for a persons health to smoke marijuana, how does it make sense to take their freedom away? smh


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Re: GOP Congressman Warns Of The Real Social Ill Destroying American Values: Marijuana [Re: Pureless]
    #20631204 - 09/28/14 03:17 PM (9 years, 5 months ago)

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Pureless said:
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JacksonMetaller said:
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Pureless said:
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AllGreyThumbs said:
But psychedelics could actually destroy America.  If too many people use drugs that can make you see things from different perspectives then before long people will begin to question everything, including the beliefs that hold a society together.

Take the so called "American Dream", the idea that a lifetime of hard work and the rewards of money are what make life worthwhile.  If people start to question that ideal and explore other approaches to living then it will seriously affect our current economic and governmental power structures.

Psychedelics are ideological mutagens.  They break down established belief systems and allow the development of new paradigms.  As much as our strained social and economic power structures (along with our environment and approaches to health) might need an influx of new ideas, the people who currently have power and influence want no part of change.

Look at the flurry of new ideas that were born out of psychedelics in the sixties and seventies.  All of a sudden people stopped adhering to social norms and started exploring different approaches to life.  And all of a sudden people stopped doing what their government expected them to do.  It was in response to this breakdown in the ability to control people through social pressures that the War on Drugs was initiated.

So yes, widespread use of psychedelic drugs could quite possibly destroy the ideals that people equate with America.  They could help undermine the power structures of our world making it all but impossible to control people.  They could be a significant part of sweeping changes and radical new ideas.  And to that I say, "It's about fucking time."




Well written, but....Many people living this "american dream" have tried psychedelics, realize that it's simply a drug, and moved on with their lives. I'm not insulting you or anyone, but not everyone has profound experiences on psychedelics that magically shifts them from proud american to some sort of wordly shaman.




Sometimes it's hard for people to realize that the realizations they have on psychedelics are truths about themselves and not everyone. I've experienced a lot of universal truths on psychedelics as well but at the heart of them all is "everyones different". Yes, that does mean that some people genuinely do want the picket fence and the dog and the 2 kids and the daily grind that comes along with modern life. That said, it is important to alleviate the boundaries and social pressures placed on people who want variations of that life, or different lifestyles all together and accept their place in the madness as well




What do these people seeking said variation want to do that they can't do now?

If you are talking about legalizing drugs then yes I would agree. If you are talking about dropping off the grid, tax evasion,  etc then no. There's nothing wrong with a change of lifestyle, it just shouldn't come at others expense. pay yo dues!!!




I didn't say anything about tax evasion. That said if you're living off the grid and not usings any bodies resources I don't see why you should be forced to play the game. And no I don't count unused land as somebody else's resources. If an animal can eat shit and bathe for free a human should have that choice so long as they're not leeching someone else's hard work or presenting environmental concerns that would normally be regulated. But I was talking more in the respect of same-sex marriages, transgender rights, women's rights, drug users rights, minority rights etc as well as respect to the various sub cultures and lifestyles that exist legally. It's not always a matter of law and what you "can" or "can't" do, but extreme social pressure to behave certain ways that saps the innate creativity and expression of the individual and leads to the many depression and anxiety orders that are becoming increasingly common.

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Re: GOP Congressman Warns Of The Real Social Ill Destroying American Values: Marijuana [Re: JacksonMetaller]
    #20631465 - 09/28/14 04:10 PM (9 years, 5 months ago)

"Fiscal conservatism" is a joke. If the USA stopped buying so many nukes and giving so much money to military contractors to bomb children in other countries and waging the "war on drugs", they could have many times the welfare system they've got now and still have a budget surplus. Could probably support the entire Police DPT, Fire DPT and welfare system with the money the USA gives to Israel annually alone (a country with GDP per capita almost on par with the United Kingdom).

Or like I said, end the war on drugs and stop spending more on Military than the rest of the world combined to run your neo-imperialist Empire and give that $3,000,000,000+ "aid" money to Ethiopia or any other country that actually needs foreign aid.

Besides, I don't know any conservative politicians who are fiscal conservatives, they only use the "social conservative" angle to get votes from the narrow minded and push their corporate agenda. Fiscal conservatism seems to be the realm of the left wing, Right wing administrations are notorious for trashing country's economies whether it's Thatcher, Hitler, Raegan or Bush seemingly without exception right wing administrations put into place draconian, backwards and oppressive social policies, brutal and highly unethical imperialist foreign policies all while fucking up the countries GDP and employment rates.

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Re: GOP Congressman Warns Of The Real Social Ill Destroying American Values: Marijuana [Re: Sagescruffy]
    #20631526 - 09/28/14 04:22 PM (9 years, 5 months ago)

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"I'll show them the real science, and they just don't want to believe it because quite frankly, they want to smoke marijuana," Fleming said. "It's like if you're overweight. Who wants to cut back on eating when you enjoy eating? But it's still bad for your health."




I don't understand why it matters if people just want to smoke marijuana. People's freedom should not be taken away from them because they just want to smoke marijuana. Even if it's bad for a persons health to smoke marijuana, how does it make sense to take their freedom away? smh




There's no logic there at all. If the man had a brain, he would notice that he's arguing against himself unless he supports making buying food illegal and putting everyone on a strict rationing system.

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Re: GOP Congressman Warns Of The Real Social Ill Destroying American Values: Marijuana [Re: XTCentral]
    #20632089 - 09/28/14 06:19 PM (9 years, 5 months ago)

Ya the AMA and The FDA have your best personal interests at heart. :rolleyes:


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Re: GOP Congressman Warns Of The Real Social Ill Destroying American Values: Marijuana [Re: XTCentral]
    #20634093 - 09/29/14 07:12 AM (9 years, 5 months ago)

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"Fiscal conservatism" is a joke. If the USA stopped buying so many nukes and giving so much money to military contractors to bomb children in other countries and waging the "war on drugs", they could have many times the welfare system they've got now and still have a budget surplus. Could probably support the entire Police DPT, Fire DPT and welfare system with the money the USA gives to Israel annually alone (a country with GDP per capita almost on par with the United Kingdom).

Or like I said, end the war on drugs and stop spending more on Military than the rest of the world combined to run your neo-imperialist Empire and give that $3,000,000,000+ "aid" money to Ethiopia or any other country that actually needs foreign aid.

Besides, I don't know any conservative politicians who are fiscal conservatives, they only use the "social conservative" angle to get votes from the narrow minded and push their corporate agenda. Fiscal conservatism seems to be the realm of the left wing, Right wing administrations are notorious for trashing country's economies whether it's Thatcher, Hitler, Raegan or Bush seemingly without exception right wing administrations put into place draconian, backwards and oppressive social policies, brutal and highly unethical imperialist foreign policies all while fucking up the countries GDP and employment rates.



I agree our military budget must be cut. I am not a fan of welfare payments only a strong economy can truly help people in need. You can thank all the illegal immigrants waltzing across the border though for lowering wages and putting lots of regular Americans out of a job.


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Re: GOP Congressman Warns Of The Real Social Ill Destroying American Values: Marijuana [Re: Gilgamesh18]
    #20634117 - 09/29/14 07:24 AM (9 years, 5 months ago)

Conservative, liberal...

You're being played guys, they got you by the balls!
People on both sides go: "But at least we're not as bad as the other side!"

:awegroove:

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For example, we don't like poverty and unemployment, yeah?
One side wants to invest heavily in business and industry but not bridge the gap for those unlucky enough to fall on hard times, the other side wants to give out money for these poor fucks but not invest in actual jobs!

Hilarious!

One side wants more personal freedom and responsibility but fights tooth and claw against legalized drugs and gay/woman/whatever rights, while the other side claims to be all about these progressive issues while AT THE SAME TIME turn the country into a nanny state where you can't even smoke in your own car!

You guys getting this? It's FUNNY! :laugh:

Both sides want to balance the budget and wipe away your debts, yet they BOTH keep on spending more then they've got!

AHAhAHAHAHAHA!


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Re: GOP Congressman Warns Of The Real Social Ill Destroying American Values: Marijuana [Re: Turtletotem]
    #20634148 - 09/29/14 07:45 AM (9 years, 5 months ago)

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Conservative, liberal...

You're being played guys, they got you by the balls!
People on both sides go: "But at least we're not as bad as the other side!"

:awegroove:

Edit:
For example, we don't like poverty and unemployment, yeah?
One side wants to invest heavily in business and industry but not bridge the gap for those unlucky enough to fall on hard times, the other side wants to give out money for these poor fucks but not invest in actual jobs!

Hilarious!

One side wants more personal freedom and responsibility but fights tooth and claw against legalized drugs and gay/woman/whatever rights, while the other side claims to be all about these progressive issues while AT THE SAME TIME turn the country into a nanny state where you can't even smoke in your own car!

You guys getting this? It's FUNNY! :laugh:

Both sides want to balance the budget and wipe away your debts, yet they BOTH keep on spending more then they've got!

AHAhAHAHAHAHA!



Thats why I normally vote for the libertarian party.


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Re: GOP Congressman Warns Of The Real Social Ill Destroying American Values: Marijuana [Re: Gilgamesh18]
    #20634313 - 09/29/14 08:45 AM (9 years, 5 months ago)

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Thats why I normally vote for the libertarian party.




I don't know those guys very well. It seems to be a step in the right direction, but highly favouring businesses over the working man, while I'm of the opinion that there should be more balance between the two.

Still, what do I know :shrug:


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    #20634351 - 09/29/14 08:54 AM (9 years, 5 months ago)

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Gilgamesh18 said:
Thats why I normally vote for the libertarian party.




I don't know those guys very well. It seems to be a step in the right direction, but highly favouring businesses over the working man, while I'm of the opinion that there should be more balance between the two.

Still, what do I know :shrug:



I don't understand how handouts benefit the working man. The easier it is to do business the more people can work and pay into the system.


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Re: GOP Congressman Warns Of The Real Social Ill Destroying American Values: Marijuana [Re: Gilgamesh18]
    #20634419 - 09/29/14 09:16 AM (9 years, 5 months ago)

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Gilgamesh18 said:
Thats why I normally vote for the libertarian party.




I don't know those guys very well. It seems to be a step in the right direction, but highly favouring businesses over the working man, while I'm of the opinion that there should be more balance between the two.

Still, what do I know :shrug:



I don't understand how handouts benefit the working man. The easier it is to do business the more people can work and pay into the system.




Don't get me wrong, I agree with you on that one.
If many people get hand outs, then it only costs a nation's economy instead of building it up.
But we don't want a whole exploited class of workers either.
You don't want Americans to be treated like illegal aliens in their own country, right?

But again, I don't know. I have no answers for the problems both our respective countries face, let alone countries that are way poorer.

But I do believe thinking along party lines and ideology is the wrong way to go about it.
Maybe forget about ideologies of any kind, and get to work fixing problems, both in the short and the long run.
Working together instead of against eachother...

To do that, we have to get rid of all the senators :p Both yours and mine, because they just can't function like real adults, it seems.


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Re: GOP Congressman Warns Of The Real Social Ill Destroying American Values: Marijuana [Re: Turtletotem]
    #20634453 - 09/29/14 09:30 AM (9 years, 5 months ago)

Any politician who warns of the public swaying opinion on something should be assassinated by the government.  It is illegal to represent this country with your personal agenda, instead of supporting what people want.  You are not there, in power, to be asked what you think the laws should be.  You are there, in power, to ask the people what the laws should be.  If his district complained to him, fine, that's one thing.  But I HIGHLY (no pun intended) doubt there is a majority of scared conservatives mailing him, asking him to be their drug war savior.  This dude is clearly being lobbied, so get him the fuck out of power.

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Re: GOP Congressman Warns Of The Real Social Ill Destroying American Values: Marijuana [Re: Gilgamesh18]
    #20634479 - 09/29/14 09:48 AM (9 years, 5 months ago)

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Gilgamesh18 said:
Thats why I normally vote for the libertarian party.




I don't know those guys very well. It seems to be a step in the right direction, but highly favouring businesses over the working man, while I'm of the opinion that there should be more balance between the two.

Still, what do I know :shrug:



I don't understand how handouts benefit the working man. The easier it is to do business the more people can work and pay into the system.




Are you serious?  You work 5x a week.  In addition to that you get more money to spend/ save that can be used for more goods in the future or present.  How is that NOT beneficial?  From your statement I can conclude that you obviously value money, and therefore, you are probably of the persuasion that things of value should be worked for.  Well, I can assure you, that while things of value should be earned, money's value is only in the fact that it can be traded for things that you need and would die without (ignoring one's ability to live independently, which is not possible because of taxes).  This, combined with the fact that the US dollar is backed by so much debt, atually means that money is relatively obligatory, and that it is relatively worthless.  There is too much, it is too unevenly distributed, and it represents an indebted economy.  It essentially doesn't even matter if you just give out money or not, because the banks who own the federal reserve will continue to devalue money, because it is profitable for them.  Your hard earned cash is worthless, because the context it's used in is false and forced.  Money is not earned, it is allowed.  If you don't pay your taxes, you go to jail. That is not citizenship, that is extortion.  The money problem (which IS the politics problem, I don't care what you tell me, nobody gets brainwashed when there is no money to be gleaned from it) will not get better until we accept that the idea of money is broken, dated, and corrupt.  The difference between big business get their fat check and the little guy getting a handout, is that the big business have spent the money changing the government to give them money.  Why shouldn't the little guy get free  money?  Because he doesn't have a huge multimillion dollar empire to sway congress into actually representing his wishes?  This argument that you get only the cents that you work for comes from a time when money was actually valuable, and big corporations were legitimately earning their keep and employing people to drive the economy, but the economy doesn't work that way anymore, and the dynamics have changed.  There is no reason to not give out money in a system that is rigged such as this.

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Re: GOP Congressman Warns Of The Real Social Ill Destroying American Values: Marijuana [Re: anarchyfan]
    #20634498 - 09/29/14 09:55 AM (9 years, 5 months ago)

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Gilgamesh18 said:
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Gilgamesh18 said:
Thats why I normally vote for the libertarian party.




I don't know those guys very well. It seems to be a step in the right direction, but highly favouring businesses over the working man, while I'm of the opinion that there should be more balance between the two.

Still, what do I know :shrug:



I don't understand how handouts benefit the working man. The easier it is to do business the more people can work and pay into the system.




Are you serious?  You work 5x a week.  In addition to that you get more money to spend/ save that can be used for more goods in the future or present.  How is that NOT beneficial?  From your statement I can conclude that you obviously value money, and therefore, you are probably of the persuasion that things of value should be worked for.  Well, I can assure you, that while things of value should be earned, money's value is only in the fact that it can be traded for things that you need and would die without (ignoring one's ability to live independently, which is not possible because of taxes).  This, combined with the fact that the US dollar is backed by so much debt, atually means that money is relatively obligatory, and that it is relatively worthless.  There is too much, it is too unevenly distributed, and it represents an indebted economy.  It essentially doesn't even matter if you just give out money or not, because the banks who own the federal reserve will continue to devalue money, because it is profitable for them.  Your hard earned cash is worthless, because the context it's used in is false and forced.  Money is not earned, it is allowed.  If you don't pay your taxes, you go to jail. That is not citizenship, that is extortion.  The money problem (which IS the politics problem, I don't care what you tell me, nobody gets brainwashed when there is no money to be gleaned from it) will not get better until we accept that the idea of money is broken, dated, and corrupt.  The difference between big business get their fat check and the little guy getting a handout, is that the big business have spent the money changing the government to give them money.  Why shouldn't the little guy get free  money?  Because he doesn't have a huge multimillion dollar empire to sway congress into actually representing his wishes?  This argument that you get only the cents that you work for comes from a time when money was actually valuable, and big corporations were legitimately earning their keep and employing people to drive the economy, but the economy doesn't work that way anymore, and the dynamics have changed.  There is no reason to not give out money in a system that is rigged such as this.

apologies for the double post.




Plus, I don't really feel that anyone should be forced to play in the system. We live in an industrialized age, there's plenty of money and production to go around with lots to spare if you all got your priorities straight. Besides, it's not fair for a child to be raised in poverty because their parents don't have a job and they're not getting enough benefits. That causes serious physical and mental illness to children. Have some compassion, stop wasting all the money on military, bombing and neo-mcarthyism and shit and there's plenty to invest to make everyone happy.

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Re: GOP Congressman Warns Of The Real Social Ill Destroying American Values: Marijuana [Re: anarchyfan]
    #20634519 - 09/29/14 10:02 AM (9 years, 5 months ago)

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Gilgamesh18 said:
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Turtletotem said:
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Gilgamesh18 said:
Thats why I normally vote for the libertarian party.




I don't know those guys very well. It seems to be a step in the right direction, but highly favouring businesses over the working man, while I'm of the opinion that there should be more balance between the two.

Still, what do I know :shrug:



I don't understand how handouts benefit the working man. The easier it is to do business the more people can work and pay into the system.




Are you serious?  You work 5x a week.  In addition to that you get more money to spend/ save that can be used for more goods in the future or present.  How is that NOT beneficial?  From your statement I can conclude that you obviously value money, and therefore, you are probably of the persuasion that things of value should be worked for.  Well, I can assure you, that while things of value should be earned, money's value is only in the fact that it can be traded for things that you need and would die without (ignoring one's ability to live independently, which is not possible because of taxes).  This, combined with the fact that the US dollar is backed by so much debt, atually means that money is relatively obligatory, and that it is relatively worthless.  There is too much, it is too unevenly distributed, and it represents an indebted economy.  It essentially doesn't even matter if you just give out money or not, because the banks who own the federal reserve will continue to devalue money, because it is profitable for them.  Your hard earned cash is worthless, because the context it's used in is false and forced.  Money is not earned, it is allowed.  If you don't pay your taxes, you go to jail. That is not citizenship, that is extortion.  The money problem (which IS the politics problem, I don't care what you tell me, nobody gets brainwashed when there is no money to be gleaned from it) will not get better until we accept that the idea of money is broken, dated, and corrupt.  The difference between big business get their fat check and the little guy getting a handout, is that the big business have spent the money changing the government to give them money.  Why shouldn't the little guy get free  money?  Because he doesn't have a huge multimillion dollar empire to sway congress into actually representing his wishes?  This argument that you get only the cents that you work for comes from a time when money was actually valuable, and big corporations were legitimately earning their keep and employing people to drive the economy, but the economy doesn't work that way anymore, and the dynamics have changed.  There is no reason to not give out money in a system that is rigged such as this.

apologies for the double post.




You're right, money doesn't even exist.
It's all about resources, and money does a piss poor job at representing these resources, causing some people to bellieve that money is the "whole thing".

It's also very useful as a currency. Money is bullshit, but apart from the barter system, every form of trade and currency is bullshit.
And nobody wants a barter system, that would be such an enormous hassle!

Also, giving money free to people sounds like a terrible idea.
First, it's not fair to the people who work their asses of, yes?
Second, what incentive do people have to work if they just get handouts all the time?
Third, what are these people who have fuck all to do all day going to do with their lives?
A life of labour sucks, but a life of idleness sounds like a fate worse then death to me.

EDIT: You can drop out of the system anytime you want, by the way. It's just so incredibly sucky compared to playing along that few people take that option. But it does happen.


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Re: GOP Congressman Warns Of The Real Social Ill Destroying American Values: Marijuana [Re: XTCentral]
    #20634792 - 09/29/14 11:21 AM (9 years, 5 months ago)

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Besides, it's not fair for a child to be raised in poverty because their parents don't have a job and they're not getting enough benefits. That causes serious physical and mental illness to children. Have some compassion, stop wasting all the money on military, bombing and neo-mcarthyism and shit and there's plenty to invest to make everyone happy.




What's not fair is requiring/expecting others to take care of kids that aren't theirs.

Take them away from parents too stupid to realize they can't afford kids. Give them to someone who can.

Problem solved.


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Re: GOP Congressman Warns Of The Real Social Ill Destroying American Values: Marijuana [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #20634801 - 09/29/14 11:26 AM (9 years, 5 months ago)

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XTCentral said:
Besides, it's not fair for a child to be raised in poverty because their parents don't have a job and they're not getting enough benefits. That causes serious physical and mental illness to children. Have some compassion, stop wasting all the money on military, bombing and neo-mcarthyism and shit and there's plenty to invest to make everyone happy.




What's not fair is requiring/expecting others to take care of kids that aren't theirs.

Take them away from parents too stupid to realize they can't afford kids. Give them to someone who can.

Problem solved.



We also should offer cash incentives for sterilization procedures could cut down considerably on unwanted children.


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Re: GOP Congressman Warns Of The Real Social Ill Destroying American Values: Marijuana [Re: Gilgamesh18]
    #20634835 - 09/29/14 11:36 AM (9 years, 5 months ago)

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XTCentral said:
Besides, it's not fair for a child to be raised in poverty because their parents don't have a job and they're not getting enough benefits. That causes serious physical and mental illness to children. Have some compassion, stop wasting all the money on military, bombing and neo-mcarthyism and shit and there's plenty to invest to make everyone happy.




What's not fair is requiring/expecting others to take care of kids that aren't theirs.

Take them away from parents too stupid to realize they can't afford kids. Give them to someone who can.

Problem solved.



We also should offer cash incentives for sterilization procedures could cut down considerably on unwanted children.




Cut welfare then take advantage of everyone's extreme poverty by forcing them to sterilize themselves to stay afloat . . . Conservative ideology is so ugly.

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Re: GOP Congressman Warns Of The Real Social Ill Destroying American Values: Marijuana [Re: XTCentral]
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Gilgamesh18 said:
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luvdemshrooms said:
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XTCentral said:
Besides, it's not fair for a child to be raised in poverty because their parents don't have a job and they're not getting enough benefits. That causes serious physical and mental illness to children. Have some compassion, stop wasting all the money on military, bombing and neo-mcarthyism and shit and there's plenty to invest to make everyone happy.




What's not fair is requiring/expecting others to take care of kids that aren't theirs.

Take them away from parents too stupid to realize they can't afford kids. Give them to someone who can.

Problem solved.



We also should offer cash incentives for sterilization procedures could cut down considerably on unwanted children.




Cut welfare then take advantage of everyone's extreme poverty by forcing them to sterilize themselves to stay afloat . . . Conservative ideology is so ugly.



The only reason we need generous welfare is a weak economy. Get more jobs and the need for government aid will decrease. Programs like unemployment social security are fine because people pay into them. However if you are in poverty and keep popping out kids you are a drain on society a cash incentive would help those in need and reduce unwanted children.


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Re: GOP Congressman Warns Of The Real Social Ill Destroying American Values: Marijuana [Re: Gilgamesh18]
    #20634890 - 09/29/14 11:54 AM (9 years, 5 months ago)

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The only reason we need generous welfare is a weak economy. Get more jobs and the need for government aid will decrease. Programs like unemployment social security are fine because people pay into them. However if you are in poverty and keep popping out kids you are a drain on society a cash incentive would help those in need and reduce unwanted children.




and further the increasingly rising income inequality in America and foster an underclass of absolute poverty.


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Re: GOP Congressman Warns Of The Real Social Ill Destroying American Values: Marijuana [Re: XTCentral]
    #20634908 - 09/29/14 11:58 AM (9 years, 5 months ago)

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Gilgamesh18 said:

The only reason we need generous welfare is a weak economy. Get more jobs and the need for government aid will decrease. Programs like unemployment social security are fine because people pay into them. However if you are in poverty and keep popping out kids you are a drain on society a cash incentive would help those in need and reduce unwanted children.




and further the increasingly rising income inequality in America and foster an underclass of absolute poverty.



I'm confused how would having less children increase poverty? Children are expensive to raise and having less of them would help the poor the most. Also rising income inequality won't matter with a strong economy and tight labor market everyone benefits if the economic picture is good.


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Re: GOP Congressman Warns Of The Real Social Ill Destroying American Values: Marijuana [Re: trampis]
    #20635113 - 09/29/14 12:55 PM (9 years, 5 months ago)

I think it's pretty funny that they're so dedicated to demonizing marijuana. But not really. It's pretty despicable and anyone who thinks marijuana is bad should be fired immediately and no, I don't think that's too harsh or unreasonable. They should be fired.

Marijuana will bring this country together and help everyone. That's what they're afraid of because it will diminish the profits they make from the problems caused by marijuana being illegal. If only the public would realize this.

Instead they're all too wrapped up in nonsense to even think straight.


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Re: GOP Congressman Warns Of The Real Social Ill Destroying American Values: Marijuana [Re: thirtygoats]
    #20635744 - 09/29/14 02:54 PM (9 years, 5 months ago)

Or somebody is lining their pockets with money from big pharma and the private prison industry.  Look at where the man hails from.  LA- a state with one of the highest prison populations IN THE WORLD! 

Guess what I'm almost certain most of the prisons in Louisiana are privately run operations.  No wonder this guys got such a problem with legalized cannabis.

They'd lose all the modern slave labor they've been getting away with in Louisiana.


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Re: GOP Congressman Warns Of The Real Social Ill Destroying American Values: Marijuana [Re: TheGreenArrow]
    #20638064 - 09/29/14 10:23 PM (9 years, 5 months ago)

Kick out ALL congressmen, you can't let yourself be rules by a bunch of greedy kids!


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Re: GOP Congressman Warns Of The Real Social Ill Destroying American Values: Marijuana [Re: Turtletotem]
    #20641261 - 09/30/14 05:32 PM (9 years, 5 months ago)

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Kick out ALL congressmen, you can't let yourself be rules by a bunch of greedy kids!



Seriously everyone in the goverment shouldnt be paid more then min wage lol

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Re: GOP Congressman Warns Of The Real Social Ill Destroying American Values: Marijuana [Re: trampis]
    #20643915 - 10/01/14 11:07 AM (9 years, 5 months ago)

Larger homeless population?





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Re: GOP Congressman Warns Of The Real Social Ill Destroying American Values: Marijuana [Re: Toe_Jam]
    #20644527 - 10/01/14 02:26 PM (9 years, 5 months ago)

Hell perhaps if we legalize cannabis the Mexicans cartels will take over the white house.  Middle aged White women everywhere!  What will they do?  Blood will run the streets and people will catch and eat babies raw as their breakfast, lunch, and dinner.

If cannabis is legal the world will go to shit you guise...:deepman:


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