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 Re: Do Libertarians Seem As Crazy As Feminists?  [Re: The Ecstatic]
#20601211 - 09/22/14 01:33 PM (9 years, 6 months ago) |
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communism cannot exist without the state.
com·mu·nism noun \ˈkäm-yə-ˌni-zəm, -yü-\
: a way of organizing a society in which the government owns the things that are used to make and transport products (such as land, oil, factories, ships, etc.) and there is no privately owned property
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/communism
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Re: Do Libertarians Seem As Crazy As Feminists? [Re: The Ecstatic]
#20601548 - 09/22/14 02:59 PM (9 years, 6 months ago) |
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Libertarianism is at the other end of the unfeasible spectrum from communism.
Wait, what? You do realize that the libertarian party supports income tax, right?
What you're talking about is anarchy, not libertarianism.
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Re: Do Libertarians Seem As Crazy As Feminists? [Re: DieCommie]
#20601688 - 09/22/14 03:25 PM (9 years, 6 months ago) |
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In my experience, feminism is rarely about equality though it might purport to be. It is infact often about man hating and society hating. The latter of which is very similar to libertarianism.
True about the feminazis but libertarians are totally different. They want govt off our backs. Gop talks about it but does nothing.
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Re: Do Libertarians Seem As Crazy As Feminists? [Re: BlackWidow]
#20602074 - 09/22/14 04:44 PM (9 years, 6 months ago) |
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Neither feminism nor libertarianism has a firm definition.
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Re: Do Libertarians Seem As Crazy As Feminists? [Re: BlackWidow]
#20603175 - 09/22/14 07:55 PM (9 years, 6 months ago) |
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The movement I see is the new law in California. They have changed consent laws to no means no to yes means yes. Sounds good? Not really. Been married for 10 years and want to have sex with the wife? You have to ask her verbally for consent for everything you do or it's legally considered rape. This means every time you have sex you must ask; Can I finger you? Can I go down on you? Can I put it in? Every fucking time you want to have sex with your wife, or you are technically "raping" her.
This is, of course, complete bullshit that you pulled out of your ass.
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Re: Do Libertarians Seem As Crazy As Feminists? [Re: Enlil]
#20603188 - 09/22/14 07:59 PM (9 years, 6 months ago) |
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This is, of course, complete bullshit that you pulled out of your ass.
What the fuck?! I thought I copywrited that sentence. You're gonna hear from my lawyers, Dewey, Cheatem & Howe.
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Re: Do Libertarians Seem As Crazy As Feminists? [Re: zappaisgod]
#20603227 - 09/22/14 08:06 PM (9 years, 6 months ago) |
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You did copywrite it. Unfortunately, you should have copyrighted it instead.
Next time, hire a professional.
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Re: Do Libertarians Seem As Crazy As Feminists? [Re: Enlil]
#20603279 - 09/22/14 08:15 PM (9 years, 6 months ago) |
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You did copywrite it. Unfortunately, you should have copyrighted it instead.
Next time, hire a professional.
 Dammit. Do you know any?
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Re: Do Libertarians Seem As Crazy As Feminists? [Re: Enlil]
#20603447 - 09/22/14 08:51 PM (9 years, 6 months ago) |
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Enlil said:
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BlackWidow said:
The movement I see is the new law in California. They have changed consent laws to no means no to yes means yes. Sounds good? Not really. Been married for 10 years and want to have sex with the wife? You have to ask her verbally for consent for everything you do or it's legally considered rape. This means every time you have sex you must ask; Can I finger you? Can I go down on you? Can I put it in? Every fucking time you want to have sex with your wife, or you are technically "raping" her.
This is, of course, complete bullshit that you pulled out of your ass.
http://www.cnn.com/2014/09/03/living/affirmative-consent-school-policy/
Read, my young padawan.
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Re: Do Libertarians Seem As Crazy As Feminists? [Re: BlackWidow]
#20603571 - 09/22/14 09:13 PM (9 years, 6 months ago) |
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BlackWidow said:
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Enlil said:
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BlackWidow said:
The movement I see is the new law in California. They have changed consent laws to no means no to yes means yes. Sounds good? Not really. Been married for 10 years and want to have sex with the wife? You have to ask her verbally for consent for everything you do or it's legally considered rape. This means every time you have sex you must ask; Can I finger you? Can I go down on you? Can I put it in? Every fucking time you want to have sex with your wife, or you are technically "raping" her.
This is, of course, complete bullshit that you pulled out of your ass.
http://www.cnn.com/2014/09/03/living/affirmative-consent-school-policy/
Read, my young padawan.
That doesn't look like a law
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Re: Do Libertarians Seem As Crazy As Feminists? [Re: zappaisgod]
#20603759 - 09/22/14 09:45 PM (9 years, 6 months ago) |
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zappaisgod said:
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BlackWidow said:
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Enlil said:
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BlackWidow said:
The movement I see is the new law in California. They have changed consent laws to no means no to yes means yes. Sounds good? Not really. Been married for 10 years and want to have sex with the wife? You have to ask her verbally for consent for everything you do or it's legally considered rape. This means every time you have sex you must ask; Can I finger you? Can I go down on you? Can I put it in? Every fucking time you want to have sex with your wife, or you are technically "raping" her.
This is, of course, complete bullshit that you pulled out of your ass.
http://www.cnn.com/2014/09/03/living/affirmative-consent-school-policy/
Read, my young padawan.
That doesn't look like a law
I stand corrected. It isn't law yet. Once Gov. brown signs this, it will be turned into law.
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Re: Do Libertarians Seem As Crazy As Feminists? [Re: BlackWidow]
#20603826 - 09/22/14 09:56 PM (9 years, 6 months ago) |
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Read, my young padawan.
Maybe you should take your own advice before I make you look and feel stupid. I rarely fire warning shots, so I'd advise you to take this opportunity to avoid an intellectual beating.
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Re: Do Libertarians Seem As Crazy As Feminists? [Re: Enlil]
#20603894 - 09/22/14 10:08 PM (9 years, 6 months ago) |
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Read, my young padawan.
Maybe you should take your own advice before I make you look and feel stupid. I rarely fire warning shots, so I'd advise you to take this opportunity to avoid an intellectual beating.
Explain, lawyer. Explain this likely-to-become-law to me.
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Re: Do Libertarians Seem As Crazy As Feminists? [Re: BlackWidow]
#20603933 - 09/22/14 10:15 PM (9 years, 6 months ago) |
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Fine. Contrary to your claims, it doesn't alter California rape law. All it does is require schools that take state money to evaluate sexual assault complaints using an affirmative consent standard. It has zero applicability to criminal prosecutions and has no effect on married couples.
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Re: Do Libertarians Seem As Crazy As Feminists? [Re: Enlil]
#20603970 - 09/22/14 10:20 PM (9 years, 6 months ago) |
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Fine. Contrary to your claims, it doesn't alter California rape law. All it does is require schools that take state money to evaluate sexual assault complaints using an affirmative consent standard. It has zero applicability to criminal prosecutions and has no effect on married couples.
Yeah, this is probably why I shouldn't get my info from the news. The entertainment of your irritated posts are like no other though. 
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Re: Do Libertarians Seem As Crazy As Feminists? [Re: BlackWidow]
#20603997 - 09/22/14 10:24 PM (9 years, 6 months ago) |
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Lol...It takes much more than that to irritate me.
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Re: Do Libertarians Seem As Crazy As Feminists? [Re: BlackWidow]
#20605684 - 09/23/14 11:30 AM (9 years, 6 months ago) |
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communism cannot exist without the state.
com·mu·nism noun \ˈkäm-yə-ˌni-zəm, -yü-\
: a way of organizing a society in which the government owns the things that are used to make and transport products (such as land, oil, factories, ships, etc.) and there is no privately owned property
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/communism
Communism can most definitely exist without a state.
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Communism (from Latin communis – common, universal)[1][2] is a socioeconomic system structured upon common ownership of the means of production and characterized by the absence of social classes, money,[3][4] and the state
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Libertarianism is at the other end of the unfeasible spectrum from communism.
Wait, what? You do realize that the libertarian party supports income tax, right?
What you're talking about is anarchy, not libertarianism.
I never even mentioned the income tax. wtf?
Also, the Libertarian Party doesn't decide what libertarianism is anymore than the Communist Party of China decides what communism is.
All I said is that libertarianism and communism are at opposite ends of the philosophic spectrum. Take your prepackaged rebuttals back to the Ron Paul Revolution forum.
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Re: Do Libertarians Seem As Crazy As Feminists? [Re: The Ecstatic]
#20605852 - 09/23/14 12:13 PM (9 years, 6 months ago) |
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The Ecstatic said:
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psyconaught said:
communism cannot exist without the state.
com·mu·nism noun \ˈkäm-yə-ˌni-zəm, -yü-\
: a way of organizing a society in which the government owns the things that are used to make and transport products (such as land, oil, factories, ships, etc.) and there is no privately owned property
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/communism
Communism can most definitely exist without a state.
from Wikipedia:
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Communism (from Latin communis – common, universal)[1][2] is a socioeconomic system structured upon common ownership of the means of production and characterized by the absence of social classes, money,[3][4] and the state
Hmm i cite merriam webster and you cite wikipedia.
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Re: Do Libertarians Seem As Crazy As Feminists? [Re: psyconaught]
#20606068 - 09/23/14 01:07 PM (9 years, 6 months ago) |
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I sincerely doubt Wikipedia is wrong about your claim that communism cannot exist without a state, especially considering its contrary to communism's main tenets.
Common ownership =/= government
And FWIW, Marx believed in a mostly linear evolution of socioeconomic progress, which goes as follows (in order): feudalism, capitalism, socialism, communism.
Socialism is an extremely "tame" version of communism, and according to Marx, will eventually lead to a communist system, in which the state no longer exists.
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Re: Do Libertarians Seem As Crazy As Feminists? [Re: The Ecstatic]
#20606293 - 09/23/14 01:51 PM (9 years, 6 months ago) |
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Communism cannot exist without coercion and the agent of that coercion is a state. I suspect that wikipedia is defining "state" too narrowly. Consider a food coop of hippie dippy loons. At some point there is a governing group that decides what is expected of the members. If the members fail they are expelled. That is state like behavior.
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