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NumeroEno
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Re: Monotub, a few questions [Re: PussyFart]
#20474353 - 08/25/14 11:41 AM (9 years, 7 months ago) |
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Nice. Frank's teks are the shit. FWIW I use a thermometer in my stock pot and turn the oven off once it hits 150. Kind of like cooking a big roast -- it needs to rest to get the right temp. The jars in the hot water bath is a great idea. I just figured my method to be a more controlled version of the bucket tek. I will give a liner a second go on my next tub, but my little ones have these corners that stick out. Stuffing a liner in there made it really hard to trim and it kept the substrate away from those corners. Maybe I should look into a liner material that sticks to and shrinks with the substrate better than a trash bag.
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spacechildo
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Re: Monotub, a few questions [Re: NumeroEno]
#20474392 - 08/25/14 11:56 AM (9 years, 7 months ago) |
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I use black trash bags.
for my std size tubs I rip the bag open and fold it so I have a double layer to support the sub weight. 27qt tubs I only use 1 layer.
as long as you dont tape the bag to your tub walls it should sink with the sub for the 1st flush.
I dont trim mine until I've spawned, I do cut it down in size but have maybe half a foot extra on all sides and then I trim it down with a scissor after 've spawned. easy peasy!
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Dataa2
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Re: Monotub, a few questions [Re: spacechildo]
#20474410 - 08/25/14 12:01 PM (9 years, 7 months ago) |
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Find if i sterilize i get SW contam if i pasteurize that doesn't happen .... its strange but i go with what works
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MudaFuka
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Re: Monotub, a few questions [Re: Dataa2]
#20474506 - 08/25/14 12:28 PM (9 years, 7 months ago) |
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I use clear bags so I can see the bottom of the sub. I tape mine to the sides while I mix in my spawn then I take off the tape and trim the liner before I put on the lid. I also leave a little extra liner on each side to pick up the sub with for harvesting.
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spacechildo
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Re: Monotub, a few questions [Re: MudaFuka]
#20474572 - 08/25/14 12:45 PM (9 years, 7 months ago) |
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IMO+IME the bottom doesn't matter when you use a liner.
there wont be any airflow there whether the tub is in fruiting or not
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MudaFuka
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Re: Monotub, a few questions [Re: spacechildo]
#20474578 - 08/25/14 12:47 PM (9 years, 7 months ago) |
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I just like to see if it fully colonised or not.
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spacechildo
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Re: Monotub, a few questions [Re: MudaFuka]
#20474593 - 08/25/14 12:51 PM (9 years, 7 months ago) |
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I've actually found out I'm more comfortable layering the spawn, before I did liners I could see that I didn't do a good job spreading the grains out.
I haven't done enough to say the ones without colonized bottoms did just as well as the ones I could see was 100% all over, but I haven't noticed any difference as long as the top is 100%. Maybe if you do a worse job than me in spreading the grains but..
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MudaFuka
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Re: Monotub, a few questions [Re: spacechildo]
#20474606 - 08/25/14 12:53 PM (9 years, 7 months ago) |
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It hasn't been a problem I just like to see it. It has more to do with my inquisitive nature than anything practical.
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Asura
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Re: Monotub, a few questions [Re: Pastywhyte]
#20475741 - 08/25/14 05:09 PM (9 years, 7 months ago) |
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Pastywhyte said: Bucket tek works fine
I don't know, man. For me, when it works, it works great. Problem is that it doesn't always work. Frank's pasteurization tek takes longer, but I have had zero issues since I switched.
Why do you think proper pasteurization works better
I see people claim that proper pasteurization is better but they can never explain why. I have had success with both, I have also had both shit the bed.
Maybe my bucket tek skills suck I have pulled shitloads of shrooms with Damion5050's tek and I absolutely think it's a great tek...but my failure rate was 20% or so. Maybe I'm just lucky, but Frank's tek hasn't let me down yet. Still haven't had a failure with it.
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spacechildo
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Re: Monotub, a few questions [Re: Asura]
#20475758 - 08/25/14 05:13 PM (9 years, 7 months ago) |
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20%
have you tried going back to the bucket? I think your spawn is just cleaner as your overall cultivation and sterile tech skills increases.
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Asura
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Re: Monotub, a few questions [Re: spacechildo]
#20475794 - 08/25/14 05:19 PM (9 years, 7 months ago) |
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I just did my first grow in 2 years a few months ago. Did the bucket first and got trich. That's when I started reading more. Once I got over the fact that Frank and I basically started growing at the same time and kicked my eqo to the curb, I just started following his methods. His shit works for me.
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Re: Monotub, a few questions [Re: Asura]
#20483573 - 08/27/14 10:58 AM (9 years, 6 months ago) |
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As far as proper pastuerization, I do the whole 140-160 at 60 min thing, but I know people who do get away with either fully PCing all the coir/verm/gyp, and they say it works really well anyway. I still follow the technique and just pasteurize. Does the bacteria in coir help the mushies? Or is it that coir contains goodies that are destroying by 15psi or what's the reason for past. And not sterilization in the first place?
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Fractal420
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Re: Monotub, a few questions [Re: Fractal420]
#20483584 - 08/27/14 11:02 AM (9 years, 6 months ago) |
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So I'm trying to make a mono for just one jar, as it finished way ahead of everything else. Is that worth it? I could just make a small SGFC just for that brick. It's full of contam liquid and I wanna get it out of there. Or should I try to make a little tub for that one quart? (I suppose I'll mix with like 2 qts CVG)
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MastaBlastar
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Re: Monotub, a few questions [Re: Fractal420]
#20485756 - 08/27/14 07:46 PM (9 years, 6 months ago) |
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Fractal420 said: So I'm trying to make a mono for just one jar, as it finished way ahead of everything else. Is that worth it? I could just make a small SGFC just for that brick. It's full of contam liquid and I wanna get it out of there. Or should I try to make a little tub for that one quart? (I suppose I'll mix with like 2 qts CVG)
Sounds like you should toss it. Probably contaminated. And pasteurization time is 90 min, not 60.
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azur
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Fractal420 said: So I'm trying to make a mono for just one jar, as it finished way ahead of everything else. Is that worth it? I could just make a small SGFC just for that brick. It's full of contam liquid and I wanna get it out of there. Or should I try to make a little tub for that one quart? (I suppose I'll mix with like 2 qts CVG)
Sounds like you should toss it. Probably contaminated. And pasteurization time is 90 min, not 60.
I pasteurize poo and the like for 60 minutes. Anywhere between 60 & 120 is good
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Fractal420
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Re: Monotub, a few questions [Re: azur]
#20487736 - 08/28/14 07:09 AM (9 years, 6 months ago) |
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Lol why would I toss it just because it's done faster? MS is always different like that. Why would that have anything to do with contamination? Seems pretty clean to me
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Fractal420
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Re: Monotub, a few questions [Re: Fractal420]
#20487750 - 08/28/14 07:12 AM (9 years, 6 months ago) |
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Oh hahah I said "contam liquid". I meant "metab liquid". Sorry.
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MastaBlastar
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Re: Monotub, a few questions [Re: Fractal420]
#20487975 - 08/28/14 08:23 AM (9 years, 6 months ago) |
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Fractal420 said: Oh hahah I said "contam liquid". I meant "metab liquid". Sorry.
Mycelium uses metabolites to fight off contamination.
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Fractal420
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^yes! Also to break down food and such. I birthed the thing I was talking about. Decided since it was just one jar and the rest wouldn't be finished for a while, I made it into to a CVG shoebox brick for the SGFC. The others will be fruited in a mono because they should (looks like) all be done around the same time
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Fractal420
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Re: Monotub, a few questions [Re: Fractal420]
#20513836 - 09/03/14 10:36 AM (9 years, 6 months ago) |
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I was wondering, so the spawn+cvg I have doing the spawn run in a Rubbermaid shoebox-sizecontainer, I'm used to taking out the bricks and fruiting in SGFC, but since there was one qt that finished early, I just decided to use more coir than usual and make a brick, though it may be a bit smaller than usual.
the question: does the sub have to be put in a monotub from the beginning? If not, can you transfer sub to a monotub after it's already done colonizing and ready for fruiting?
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