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 Star Larvae Hypothesis 
#20351402 - 07/30/14 02:51 PM (9 years, 8 months ago) |
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The Hypothesis:
1. Stars constitute a genus of organism.
2. The stellar life cycle includes a larval phase.
3. Biological life constitutes the larval phase of the stellar life cycle.
http://www.starlarvae.org/
This is a really thought provoking and well written body of work. Could it be true?
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Re: Star Larvae Hypothesis [Re: Revelation]
#20352793 - 07/30/14 07:50 PM (9 years, 8 months ago) |
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It's a lot to examine. Some of it might be overly speculative, but it is a hypothesis so I don't feel the need to debate all the details.
However, I will mention that an infinite heat death doesn't seem possible. Space and time are products of entanglement so as heat death approaches space and time will 'vanish' as the mass evaporates. This represents a de facto singularity, just as it was before the big bang.
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Re: Star Larvae Hypothesis [Re: Revelation]
#20352833 - 07/30/14 07:57 PM (9 years, 8 months ago) |
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Revelation, you should read this:
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Re: Star Larvae Hypothesis [Re: Revelation]
#20353179 - 07/30/14 09:28 PM (9 years, 8 months ago) |
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Quote:
Revelation said:
The Hypothesis:
1. Stars constitute a genus of organism.
2. The stellar life cycle includes a larval phase.
3. Biological life constitutes the larval phase of the stellar life cycle.
http://www.starlarvae.org/
This is a really thought provoking and well written body of work. Could it be true?
What do you mean true? This sounds like a completely semantic point. What actual predictions are made here? Doesn't sound like a hypothesis at all anymore than making up random words to define anything else is.
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Re: Star Larvae Hypothesis [Re: johnm214]
#20353357 - 07/30/14 10:12 PM (9 years, 8 months ago) |
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I just got home from a hard workout and I am starvaeing.
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Re: Star Larvae Hypothesis [Re: johnm214]
#20354013 - 07/31/14 01:57 AM (9 years, 8 months ago) |
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C'mon john I think we all know what the word true generally implies.
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The star larvae hypothesis lays out a set of predictions based on the principle of parallel evolution in similar environments: womb, ocean, and weightless space. The predictions cover morphology, particularly allometry, and developmental neurology and its concomitant psychology/phenomenology.
Highlight chapters:
challenging the myth of entropy:
http://www.starlarvae.org/Metabolic_Metaphysics_Entropy.html
metabolism, human and galactic:
http://www.starlarvae.org/Metabolic_Metaphysics_Metabolism.html
The Stellar Organism - gets right to the heart of the theory, stunning
http://www.starlarvae.org/Star_Larvae_The_Stellar_Organism.html
"Silicon and Biogenesis" one of the biggest headfucks in the collection
http://www.starlarvae.org/Star_Larvae_Silicon_and_Biogenesis.html
Neuroplasticity and Neurological Neoteny
http://www.starlarvae.org/Space_Brains_Neural_Neoteny.html
I was watching a BBC documentary called "Our Planet From The Air"... it ended up being a kind of statement about global warming and our plundering of natural resources, but it made me think that perhaps what humanity is doing is part of a higher order of an unfolding process. Techno society would appear to be unsustainable unless the end goal is actually to leave the planet, in which case it all begins to look quite purposeful.
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Re: Star Larvae Hypothesis [Re: Revelation]
#20354882 - 07/31/14 09:38 AM (9 years, 8 months ago) |
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Makes one wonder whether intelligence is really only contained within individual minds. It seems to me nature is intelligent on several levels.
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That sounds extremely vague and untestable. 
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Re: Star Larvae Hypothesis [Re: Revelation]
#20355147 - 07/31/14 10:57 AM (9 years, 8 months ago) |
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Quote:
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C'mon john I think we all know what the word true generally implies.
Yeah, and it doesn't seem to apply to labels. Is dog the true name of the creature we so-describe? What does that even mean? There is no such thing as a true name. Similarly, this hypothesis as you've described seems to be just semantics. If you want to call a star an organism you can, but so what? How does that make the idea anything more than a label?
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The star larvae hypothesis lays out a set of predictions based on the principle of parallel evolution in similar environments: womb, ocean, and weightless space. The predictions cover morphology, particularly allometry, and developmental neurology and its concomitant psychology/phenomenology.
Well I guess someone has asserted predictions are made. WHat's helpful is knowing what they are. Where are these predictions described here and how do they flow from the 'hypothesis'?
Highlight chapters:Quote:
challenging the myth of entropy:
http://www.starlarvae.org/Metabolic_Metaphysics_Entropy.html
metabolism, human and galactic:
http://www.starlarvae.org/Metabolic_Metaphysics_Metabolism.html
The Stellar Organism - gets right to the heart of the theory, stunning
http://www.starlarvae.org/Star_Larvae_The_Stellar_Organism.html
"Silicon and Biogenesis" one of the biggest headfucks in the collection
http://www.starlarvae.org/Star_Larvae_Silicon_and_Biogenesis.html
Neuroplasticity and Neurological Neoteny
http://www.starlarvae.org/Space_Brains_Neural_Neoteny.html
These descriptions reinforce the idea that this is just labeling something commonly known by one name as another and nothing more than that. If there is an actual idea here you're going to have to explain it, esp given the above: what's the hypothesis, what's the prediction, how does the later come from the former, what evidence, et cet.
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Quote:
OrgoneConclusion said:
That sounds extremely vague and untestable.
No doubt.
"Intelligence evolves when the occult and magical become the objective-scientific." --Timothy Leary
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Re: Star Larvae Hypothesis [Re: johnm214]
#20355419 - 07/31/14 12:21 PM (9 years, 8 months ago) |
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If all organisms have a life cycle, why shouldn't the universe as well?
The universe doesn't need saving. Let it die. 
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Re: Star Larvae Hypothesis [Re: Rahz]
#20356192 - 07/31/14 03:50 PM (9 years, 8 months ago) |
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The Universe already signed a "DO NOT RESUSCITATE" waiver.
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