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jordan87
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First try at PFtek
#20309587 - 07/22/14 03:19 AM (9 years, 8 months ago) |
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Hello all, this is my first post and first of many grows. this is one of 3 jars i inoculated about 3 months ago, didn't keep in very warm conditions so took ages, this is the only jar that made it. And is it normal for mycelium to grow so far up the jar, its even growing on the dry verm layer??
And here are a couple of pics of some jars a inoculated last Tuesday and have been kept in warm conditions from the start. I did 6 jars on tuesday and all are looking good. I need to decide on what sort of fruiting chamber to build. Any ideas?
These are Cambodian cubensis grown on BRF and Verm.
Edited by jordan87 (07/22/14 03:22 AM)
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Re: First try at PFtek [Re: jordan87]
#20309595 - 07/22/14 03:26 AM (9 years, 8 months ago) |
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SGFC!!!!
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Re: First try at PFtek [Re: jordan87]
#20309605 - 07/22/14 03:34 AM (9 years, 8 months ago) |
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You inoculated those 3 months ago? That's a long time, wow. It doesn't even look finished yet. The bottom right corner of that top right picture, it's not colonize in that spot, is it? You can always crumble off uncolonized parts of that old cake and try to fruit it. With a cake that old, you really need to make sure you dunk for 24 hours and roll in dry verm, then mist the verm.
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is it normal for mycelium to grow so far up the jar, its even growing on the dry verm layer??
It can happen, especially when the dry verm layer gets wet. It's not a problem, but hopefully that verm isn't too wet or it can cause contamination. If the cake that is 3 months old is the one with mycelium growing into the dry verm layer, it's most likely because the mycelium is searching for food(assuming that the cake is fully colonized).
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I need to decide on what sort of fruiting chamber to build.
Build a Shotgun Fruiting Chamber(sgfc).
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TheEaglesGift
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jordan87
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You inoculated those 3 months ago? That's a long time, wow. It doesn't even look finished yet. The bottom right corner of that top right picture, it's not colonize in that spot, is it? You can always crumble off uncolonized parts of that old cake and try to fruit it. With a cake that old, you really need to make sure you dunk for 24 hours and roll in dry verm, then mist the verm.
Just over half the first jar is colonized and is growing very fast now its more established, the spores i used for these were old. i assume that's why it took so long. And i might birth early, if growth looks too stall in next week or so then i will, would be nice to get all the cakes in the fruiting chamber at the same time
Edited by jordan87 (07/22/14 03:49 AM)
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Re: First try at PFtek [Re: jordan87]
#20309624 - 07/22/14 03:58 AM (9 years, 8 months ago) |
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If you birth them early they probably won't even fruit due to instant contams. It has to be 100% colonized.
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Re: First try at PFtek [Re: jordan87]
#20309634 - 07/22/14 04:10 AM (9 years, 8 months ago) |
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I try to wait till there are 15-20 pins on my cake in the jars before I birth. I only birth before that if there is a very fast developing individual pin that is breaking the verm barrier.
Draw sharpie on the area you think might be stalling to have some form of measurement rather than eyeballing it.
Good luck, first runs are exciing. Definitely do a SGFC with coarse perlite.
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Edited by BCW (07/22/14 04:11 AM)
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jordan87
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Re: First try at PFtek [Re: BCW]
#20309822 - 07/22/14 06:37 AM (9 years, 8 months ago) |
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so i just been doing more reading on some of the threads on here , should i not keep my colonizing jars in a shoebox on top of wardrobe? should i just sit them on the shelf so they get light?
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Re: First try at PFtek [Re: jordan87]
#20310200 - 07/22/14 09:09 AM (9 years, 8 months ago) |
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Yes.
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TheEaglesGift
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I try to wait till there are 15-20 pins on my cake in the jars before I birth. I only birth before that if there is a very fast developing individual pin that is breaking the verm barrier.
If this technique works for you that's fine, but it's not the rule.
A week of consolidation past full colonization is sufficient.
My cakes never fruit invitro, and my tubs rarely pin before I introduce fruiting conditions.
If I waited for pins, I'd be waiting a long time. I don't see the benefit this would bring.
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TheEaglesGift said:
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I try to wait till there are 15-20 pins on my cake in the jars before I birth. I only birth before that if there is a very fast developing individual pin that is breaking the verm barrier.
If this technique works for you that's fine, but it's not the rule.
A week of consolidation past full colonization is sufficient.
My cakes never fruit invitro, and my tubs rarely pin before I introduce fruiting conditions.
If I waited for pins, I'd be waiting a long time. I don't see the benefit this would bring.
I'm with this guy. 15-20 pins invitro may NEVER happen for some people. I have never seen an invitro pin in my entire time cultivating mushrooms, and that spans about 6 years so far.
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jordan87
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Re: First try at PFtek [Re: Inocuole]
#20325224 - 07/25/14 04:17 AM (9 years, 8 months ago) |
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ok, so that first cake is defo stunted i think, i drew round the growth with a sharpie like suggested and 4 days later nothing. any suggestions as too what i should do with it, should i birth early or is there some way to trigger it to start growing again, its not dry because i can see moisture in there and when i open the lid it smells really good.
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Re: First try at PFtek [Re: jordan87]
#20325248 - 07/25/14 04:26 AM (9 years, 8 months ago) |
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Probably because you're opening the lid!! even if it is cakes with a protective verm layer NEVER open you jar til it's ready to be used.
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jordan87
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PsiloBeast said: Probably because you're opening the lid!! even if it is cakes with a protective verm layer NEVER open you jar til it's ready to be used.
i only opened the lid too check for bad smells. opened in a clean area. there are holes in the lid anyways so !!
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Re: First try at PFtek [Re: jordan87]
#20325315 - 07/25/14 05:03 AM (9 years, 8 months ago) |
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Holes for GE man not for fresh air exchange. Don't open the lid. If your jar is stalled it could be quite a number of things. Contams are my first guess. Even though it smells fine there may be interior bacteria colonizing and stalling your myc. Give it a couple more days, if no more growth appears? Toss it. Start over sad I know, but I do hope everything works out for youu!
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jordan87
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ok so my jars are all looking good apart from the first one which is still stalled, gonna discard of this tomorrow, i decided i am gonna spawn to hpoo, i am struggling too find gypsum in my area would using this be ok?? http://www.british-gypsum.com/~/media/Files/British-Gypsum/Data-Sheets/SDS-Thistle-Multi-Finish.pdf or if any alternatives can be used. any help
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jordan87
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Re: First try at PFtek [Re: jordan87]
#20354066 - 07/31/14 02:23 AM (9 years, 7 months ago) |
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ok so the first jar i suspected had stalled still hasnt had any growth while all the others are at about 60%. so i decided to chuck it out,after close inspection i think i may have done my brf/verm mix a bit dry because the cake was so so dry, explains why the mycelium stopped growing, i have decided to dunk it for 12 hours and crumble in to a little tray with hpoo. i figure there is no harm in seeing if it will do anything.
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Re: First try at PFtek [Re: jordan87]
#20354123 - 07/31/14 02:46 AM (9 years, 7 months ago) |
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New User's Guide and Pasteurize the hpoo.... Hpoo prep Pasteurization but it likely will not work and likely contam because of the sterile brf that hasn't colonised. try to cut off the uncolonised portion if possible. This is all if the cake is not actually so dry that the Myc died
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Edited by tombosley8 (07/31/14 03:03 AM)
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jordan87
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yea it did feel way too dry too still be alive, i did clean off the uncolonized parts. worth a try tho.
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jordan87
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Re: First try at PFtek [Re: jordan87]
#20457548 - 08/22/14 02:21 AM (9 years, 7 months ago) |
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ok , just an update, all the jars i inoculated the second time round either haven't colonized or stalled again , think it is either due to fluctuation in temperature because i am in old Victorian house or it down to my substrate drying out, but because the temp is so up and down think its just been taking a lot longer , so i am gonna try and construct a simple incubation box, and try again. Do any other uk growers suffer with problems like these??
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