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 Help... i think i've eaten poisonous shrooms.
#2025967 - 10/20/03 01:56 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Apologies if this is in the wrong section, or i haven't searched. But i really need an answer fast as i'm pretty worried. It would be apprecated if this isn't moved or closed for the moment
Took 30 liberty caps in the UK yesterday at 4pm, 30 mins i was coming up but felt very ill... after that i was tripping, they were definitely magic.
Next morning i got up early for work and had to call in sick, had diareah (spelling wrong i know) stomach pains, felt pretty ill.
Went to see doctor, didnt tell him about shrooms eaten... he gave me the once over and said "it's probably a stomach bug".
After that (24 hours after consumption) i was feeling well again....now at 10 o clock (about 30 hours of consumption) my chest feels weird, heart rate going very slow to quite fast... very hot and pains in stomach. breathing slightly difficult also.. and my head feels pretty weird.
Can anyone give me any insight into if i have eaten poisonous shrooms? my friend who ate them with me is fine, so chances are it was one or 2 poisonous ones i consumed...which grow in grass and look like liberty caps.
Thanks in advance for any help.
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Re: Help... i think i've eaten poisonous shrooms. [Re: Tremor1127]
#2025997 - 10/20/03 02:06 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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You should have told the doctor ... I'd be calling him back or going to the emergency room if not getting better!
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Re: Help... i think i've eaten poisonous shrooms. [Re: Tremor1127]
#2025998 - 10/20/03 02:07 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Be honest with your doctor. It's confidential, no one's going to get in trouble. Tell him/her exactly what happened, especially in a situation like this. Do you have anymore of the suspect shrooms?
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Re: Help... i think i've eaten poisonous shrooms. [Re: one800chiapet]
#2026012 - 10/20/03 02:13 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Just tell the doctor you consumed the mushrooms because you believed they were harmless edibles to add to your salad. Don't tell him you were after magic mushrooms.
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Re: Help... i think i've eaten poisonous shrooms. [Re: one800chiapet]
#2026017 - 10/20/03 02:14 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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No. The doctor is out the question as the surgery has shut. My only other option is to tell Parents i'ev been taking magic mushrooms, and be taken to casualty... which is something i really don't want to do and will try to avoid unless i get a lot worse.
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Re: Help... i think i've eaten poisonous shrooms. [Re: raas]
#2026028 - 10/20/03 02:18 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Dude if you are sick and worried about the chances of being poisoned Fess up and get it taken care of what would your parents rather do; bury their child or bring him to the hospital because he was munchin on some cubies? Do the math...
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Re: Help... i think i've eaten poisonous shrooms. [Re: AmazonMatt]
#2026049 - 10/20/03 02:25 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Here is a picture of the type of shroom i ate, "Liberty cap". Found in the UK. (it's dry now, i ate them fresh) I suspect possibly one of the small ones could have been poisonous, yet undistinguishable to a liberty cap as it wasn't fully grown.
http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2003-9/382428/Picture12.jpg
http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2003-9/382428/Picture13.jpg
Thanks again for any help/advice.
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Re: Help... i think i've eaten poisonous shrooms. [Re: raas]
#2026073 - 10/20/03 02:32 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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You might actually be better off if this thread WAS moved to the mushroom hunting forum. Hunters would know about poisonous lookalikes, and they do a lot of IDing over there on that forum.
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Hi how's it going, wanna kick Heroin basically painlessly on your own, in your own house, without any government "help" ,or the "help" of a crazy condescending, judgmental medical doctor? Read this:
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php?Cat=0&Board=42&Number=7342616&page=0&fpart=all
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Re: Help... i think i've eaten poisonous shrooms. [Re: raas]
#2026157 - 10/20/03 03:00 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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There aren't a whole lot of deadly mushrooms that look like liberty caps. The only deadly mushrooms that come to mind as far as Lib look alikes go are Inocybes. Chances are probably one of these things or a combination of a few of them:
1. You ate an old, rotting mushroom and got food poisoning from it.
2. You picked some other kind of poisonous mushroom.
3. Your stomach might be upset by fertilizers that could have been absorbed by/sprayed on the mushrooms.
4. Your stomach just doesn't fare well with Libs. I always get diarrhea if I eat Panaeolus mushrooms. Different people react differently.
Some questions:
Where were these mushrooms growing that you picked and ate?
Are you sure that your heartrate has decreased, or could it just be placebo induced by paranoia?
Are you having any issues with urinating(not able to, smells funny, blood in urine)?
Do you have a fever?
Have you been vomiting?
Sweating?
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Re: Help... i think i've eaten poisonous shrooms. [Re: Gumby]
#2026189 - 10/20/03 03:11 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Thanks for the info GumbyDude, it's appreciated.
In reply to the questions, the mushrooms were picked in a grass field. I havent been sweating, but i sometimes get very hot flushes. I haven't vomited.. although i thought i was going too a few times. My urine is fine, although colourless.
The most interesting thing is that i keep going into remission - I'm actually feeling perfectly normal again, although i don't doubt the symptoms will return later.
As for asking about paranoia, i'm not paranoid but i ponder if anxiety could be in the equation. I have suffered bad anxiety and panic attacks in the past after using some strong ecstasy pills.
However, needing to vomit and having the shits isn't really a symptom of anxiety. I am definitely ill.
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Re: Help... i think i've eaten poisonous shrooms. [Re: raas]
#2026208 - 10/20/03 03:19 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Tell your parents, if you are poisoned, they will find out anyway.
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Re: Help... i think i've eaten poisonous shrooms. [Re: one800chiapet]
#2026272 - 10/20/03 03:39 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Take some liquids man,chances are you didn't absorb too much of anything.Keep the water,NOT caffine,volume high,preferably SPRING water.Tommorrow go to your health food store and get either/or-AND;Dr.Gillian McKeith's energy drink (large bottle),"DE-TOX cordial" (and spring water it's a CORDIAL),carrot juice,an energy drink.Foods like bananas to get your energy up once you FEEL like it!Just keep the fluid level high for now BUT try not to bloat the bladder!Also go to the hospital under your own steam if need be OR talk to your folks,it's your call man....
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Re: Help... i think i've eaten poisonous shrooms. [Re: one800chiapet]
#2026282 - 10/20/03 03:42 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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People! Tell your doctor the truth! Believe it or not they're more concerned with your wellbeing than with the drug war.
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Re: Help... i think i've eaten poisonous shrooms. [Re: one800chiapet]
#2026299 - 10/20/03 03:46 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Hrm... Tricky situation. It's still possible that this could be a case of Amatoxin poisoning. I'm not really the one to make the call here, that would be ToxicMan... he knows a lot more about this stuff than I do.
One scary thing about Amatoxin poisoning is that you'll get sick about 6-12 hours after eating the mushroom, that'll last about a day or two. Once the pain and sickness goes away, the person feels good for 4-8 days, meanwhile their liver and/or kydneys is slowly starting to fail. About 10 days later they can go into a coma due to liver failure... Not to scare ya, but that's how it goes with Amatoxins.
Is it at all possible for you to collect more of the mushrooms you ate and take a spore print and do some more tests for us?
Read some of these links about mushroom poisoning and see what you think...
http://www.ansci.cornell.edu/plants/toxicagents/amanita/amanita.html#symptoms
http://www.germology.com/mushrooms.htm
http://www.bluewillowpages.com/mushroomexpert/deadly_toxins.html
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Re: Help... i think i've eaten poisonous shrooms. [Re: Silverwolf]
#2026304 - 10/20/03 03:47 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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The effects you were suffering from have probably surpassed by now but if you were that worried why didn't you just go to the nearest A & E and have some tests done? Would have been a logical thing to do.
I was also thinking the same Gumby (Amatoxins), but he/she said it were "liberty caps", which don't have any "Amanita" look-a-likes. The mind wonders...
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Re: Help... i think i've eaten poisonous shrooms. [Re: raas]
#2026587 - 10/20/03 05:35 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Let's start by getting a concise list of symptoms and when they started, relative to when you ate the mushrooms.
About 30 minutes after eating them you seem to have shown symptoms of nausea, stomach cramps, and diarrhea. Please confirm how long it took before the symptoms occurred and what your symptoms were.
You mention your chest "feeling funny" (altered heart rate?). The next time (if there is a next time) you feel that, take your pulse and let us know if your pulse is higher or lower than normal. Take your pulse now so you have something to compare it to.
The next time you start to feel ill, check your eyes in the mirror. See if your pupils are bigger or smaller than normal. Again, take a look now so you have something to compare to.
From your description so far, you could have any of a variety of toxins. Answers to the above questions should help narrow it down a bit.
On the negative side, it's way more than 4 hours since you ate the mushrooms. That means you've absorbed whatever toxins you're going to and there's no way to minimize that any more.
The medical treatment for poisoning at this point consists of supportive care. That is, making sure you have enough water and food so you don't get sick from a lack of them. Any other serious symptoms need to be treated by a medical doctor.
If you begin to show any more serious symptoms than nausea, stomach cramps, vomiting, and diarrhea (or if they become severe enough to cause a dehydration risk), you should seek medical assistance immediately. This time, tell them that you ate some wild mushrooms and may have eaten some poisonous ones. They have blood tests they can do that will tell them if you've been poisoned by the deadliest toxins.
The mushroom poisonings with less than a 4 hour onset can be severe and unpleasant, but they are very rarely fatal. The possible problem is that you may have multiple different types of poisoning.
Even with the worst toxins, the survival rate (with medical treatment) is about 90% or better (without, the rates are *much* worse). Again, if your condition significantly worsens, seek medical attention.
Happy mushrooming!
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Re: Help... i think i've eaten poisonous shrooms. [Re: ToxicMan]
#2026965 - 10/20/03 08:07 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Are you sure all the Liberty caps looked the same? perhaps you ate some real lib caps....tripped off them....then the toxin of some other species of mushroom began to show up. If you are still feeling shitty but concluded you are ok eneouph to not seek medical attention...then you should try this to make you feel better. Sit in tub and just chug green tea. This will help flush toxins out of your body quicker. I've done this when I accidentally injested a molyblite and it worked really well----Even though it was'nt the best decision. Definaltey go to the hospital if you think your health might be in jeopordy.
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Re: Help... i think i've eaten poisonous shrooms. [Re: orizon]
#2027423 - 10/20/03 11:01 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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And may I add the question if you have recently taken presription or OTC medication? Sorry to butt in this way, those things I described have powerful interactions and long lasting repercussions.....?
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Re: Help... i think i've eaten poisonous shrooms. [Re: Washroomer]
#2027743 - 10/21/03 01:14 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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I ate the wrong shrooms once... that's why I haven't posted here in a while (year and an half to two)
when I was in the ER they just gave my thorazine (sp?) and fluids
they brought in an expert and he said that all the could really be done was makeing me feel better. "There either going to kill you, or not. there's nothing we can really do about it now"
I was very dehydrated and it turns out that was the only thing that could have done me in. If you start having uncontrolable diarrhea coupled with vomiting tell the rents, it could kill you even if the shrooms don't...
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Re: Help... i think i've eaten poisonous shrooms. [Re: ToxicMan]
#2028261 - 10/21/03 08:55 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Thanks again for the help. it is very appreciated.
ToxicMan, here's the quickstory.
60 fresh Liberty Caps picked in a UK field, all shrooms consumed had thin stalks, and a cap of a brown/yellow colour. Ate 30 each with a friend.
30 Minutes after consumption, i am feeling pretty ill but friend is fine. I rarely puke or get ill on drugs, i've had experience with pills, speed, coke, weed etc and rarely get nausious, unless on high doses. For about 20/30 minutes generally feeling like i have an upset stomach, had to take it easy and sit down.
For 1 hour after i was feeling fine, the shrooms were great.. Gave a happy/euphoric yet very stimulating effect(Similar to ecstasy), after that i felt very insecure, emotionally unstable and anxious during the trip.
I woke up the next day (14 hours of consumption) feeling okish, but then pretty ill when i got up.
My eyes are fine, no discolouration or abnormal pupil size. Although during the trip apparantly my pupils were "massive", i assume this normal? Pulse was low and heart beating very softly at one point.
I'm feeling a lot better today ... apart from my chest is feeling mildy soar and occasionly i get twitches inside. im tempted to get some tests done on liver and kidney. I will if i get ill in the next few days.
Edited by raas (10/21/03 09:00 AM)
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Re: Help... i think i've eaten poisonous shrooms. [Re: bigfatdork]
#2028263 - 10/21/03 08:56 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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there should be no worrys about coming clean with the doctor about taking shrooms in the UK coz its 100% legal as long as u ate them fresh, if your parents freak and they also drink alcohol ask them to shut their hypocritical mouths lol
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Re: Help... i think i've eaten poisonous shrooms. [Re: raas]
#2028460 - 10/21/03 10:25 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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If you did eat mushrooms with amatoxins, then the outcome depends on how much. The fact that you became ill within 30 minutes suggests very strongly that amatoxins are not involved. The minimum time for amatoxins to show symptoms is about 6 hours (and that's for massive doses). It's usually 8 - 12 hours.
Symptoms showing within 30 minutes is fairly unusual among mushroom toxins. Muscarine and psilocybin are some of the very few that work that quickly. Most toxins take a couple hours.
It sounds like you probably got some miscellaneous Mycenas mixed in with your Liberty Caps. Some species of Mycena are known to contain muscarine. Muscarine causes very unpleasant symptoms, and most victims seek medical attention because of them. On the positive side, muscarine *very* rarely is fatal.
If you actually did eat something with amatoxins, you will become ill again, and it is likely to be much worse than before. The primary symptoms will be watery, bloody diarrhea and jaundice. If you begin to show those symptoms, seek immediate medical attention and be sure to tell the doctor about your consumption of mushrooms.
Hopefully this lesson won't end up being too expensive.
Before you eat any more mushrooms you find you should probably study a bit more. In particular, you should realize that different, similar looking mushrooms can grow side by side. Be sure to look each and every individual mushroom over critically to see if they really are the same, or just similar.
For future reference, if you eat mushrooms and you start to feel sick within 2 hours (or even 4 hours), empty your stomach. Ipecac is one of the best things around for that. By emptying your stomach, you can prevent any further absorption of whatever toxins are making you feel ill.
Happy mushrooming!
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 Re: Help... i think i've eaten poisonous shrooms. [Re: ToxicMan]
#2028510 - 10/21/03 10:38 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Your advice sounds great. I enjoy reading informed and helpful posts.
Thank you.
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Re: Help... i think i've eaten poisonous shrooms. [Re: Joshua]
#2030803 - 10/21/03 09:23 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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I was just at the NW Wild Mushroom Show in Seattle and during a chat with one of their experts, he said that taking a lot of Alpha Lipoic Acid, which you can buy at a healthfood store, will protect your liver and kidneys from some mushroom toxins that can otherwise kill you. Not a bad idea to have a bottle on hand. He also said that some of the most dangerous poisons often have no symptoms until it is too late.
I hope you are better by now. Each and every mushroom must be inspected and pass before you eat.
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Re: Help... i think i've eaten poisonous shrooms. [Re: nightowl]
#2030861 - 10/21/03 09:37 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Milk Thistle is also said to help out the liver a good deal.
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Re: Help... i think i've eaten poisonous shrooms. [Re: nightowl]
#2030868 - 10/21/03 09:39 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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alpha amanatin, it's relatives and orraline, due to the nature of their actions, will do irreversable damage to your liver and kidneys and the first effects of the damage are symptomatic of complications from the organ dysfunction, so any damage caused by them will be permanant. treatment for thses toxins is entirely supportive and unreliable. everyone who eats wild mushrooms should fully familiarize themselves with these toxins, their effects, and all species in their areas taht contain them.
[edit: fixed typo. heh... alph is a river in greek mythology i think.]
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bevause if we had any mre warnings about eh potential dangers of mis/non identification it'd become cluttered.
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 Re: Help... i think i've eaten poisonous shrooms. [Re: canid]
#2031860 - 10/22/03 08:20 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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...about the jittery, uncomfortable part. It is important, to me anyway, that if you do mushrooms to do them in an atmosphere you feel completely comfortable in, in a mood you feel completely comfortable in, and if you are with others, people you feel completely comfortable with. I believe this is true because it has been my experience that mushrooms are amplifiers along with being concentraters, in the way of a quartz crystal. Not only will your current situation/mind set be amplified, but you will see it with much more clarity, and if your mood or situation is uncomfortable, then.... do you see what I mean? If you choose not to follow that way, then be prepared to face up!
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Re: Help... i think i've eaten poisonous shrooms. [Re: windyoceanmoon]
#2031942 - 10/22/03 08:53 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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That all made sense up untill this point:
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I believe this is true because it has been my experience that mushrooms are amplifiers along with being concentraters, in the way of a quartz crystal. Not only will your current situation/mind set be amplified, but you will see it with much more clarity, and if your mood or situation is uncomfortable, then.... do you see what I mean? If you choose not to follow that way, then be prepared to face up!
WTF?
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Re: Help... i think i've eaten poisonous shrooms. [Re: Gumby]
#2032771 - 10/22/03 01:43 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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^^ I think i made sense of it. He/She is saying the mushrooms will amplify your mood, be it a bad/anxious one it can create a bad trip.
Anyway, back to my ill health. I was going to call in hospital yesterday but never did as i still think it's unlikely i'm poisoned considering the type of shrooms consumed. Although nausia and sickness has gone, i have an aching pain in the right side of my body under the rib cage - near where the appendix is. Any ideas?
If i consumed a poisonous mushroom, it would have been a small brown one growing on grassland.. looking very similar to a liberty cap.
My question is, does anyone know of any "little brown mushrooms" in grassland which are poisonous? and if so, how poisonous? I'm guessing some contain Muscarine as ToxicMan pointed out.
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Re: Help... i think i've eaten poisonous shrooms. [Re: raas]
#2032935 - 10/22/03 02:27 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Sorry but the last posts explain a whole lot of information but I feel the need to break it down into plain English for people that don't quite understand, so here goes...
Amatoxins = Toxins from certain species of "Amanita" eg, Phalloides, that your liver tries to eliminate but can't and whilst trying to do this the liver receives major damage. The toxins therefore leak back into the bloodstream only to complete another cycle and reach the liver again resulting in more damage and on and on. The whole process can take weeks at most and result in death due to liver & kidney failure unless medical attention is seeked very early on, in most cases a transplant(s) and a blood transfusion are needed for the individual to survive.
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Re: Help... i think i've eaten poisonous shrooms. [Re: Xenophobic]
#2033018 - 10/22/03 02:45 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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^^ I've learnt what Amatoxins are. Can they be found in Small Brown grass mushrooms?
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Re: Help... i think i've eaten poisonous shrooms. [Re: raas]
#2033097 - 10/22/03 03:12 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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There are a few species of Galerina which contain amatoxins. The deadly Galerinas are usually found on rotting wood, which could be buried. Buried wood can include, for example, dead tree roots. Galerina venenata has been found in lawns.
Galerinas are easily told from Psilocybes by their spore prints. Galerina spore prints are rusty brown. They are one of the best reasons to make spore prints of your finds.
Another genus of mushrooms, Conocybe, also includes species with amatoxins. These also have rusty brown spore prints.
Of course, the majority of mushrooms have not been studied. There are almost certainly other species of mushroom yet to be found which contain amatoxins.
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Re: Help... i think i've eaten poisonous shrooms. [Re: ToxicMan]
#2033343 - 10/22/03 04:16 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Is there any chance it could have been a reaction with a coprinus and alcohol from previous days? If they were eaten fresh they may not have delliquessed and could be mistaken as Libs. This may also explain the different reactions between the two friends. Just a thought.
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Re: Help... i think i've eaten poisonous shrooms. [Re: @cro]
#2033564 - 10/22/03 05:25 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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This definitely needs to be addressed:
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i have an aching pain in the right side of my body under the rib cage - near where the appendix is. Any ideas?
Sounds serious...for all I know about anatomy (not much at all), it would be the liver.
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Re: Help... i think i've eaten poisonous shrooms. [Re: Wiener]
#2033646 - 10/22/03 05:54 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Isn't it entirely possible that:
"i've had experience with pills, speed, coke, weed etc and rarely get nausious, unless on high doses."
is causing your discomfort and not mushrooms. Maybe you just need to be nicer to your body and be more moderate in activities for awhile. Cleanse.
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Re: Help... i think i've eaten poisonous shrooms. [Re: davidg47]
#2033681 - 10/22/03 06:03 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Even if every person on this board were a doctor, every reply in the world would not help in practicality, what's so hard about going to the nearest A & E (to remain anonymous under a false name) or going to the doctors, even calling an ambulance if you feel it's that severe. Their's no costs involved within the medical system eg, ambulances, consultants, tests, everything, since you're in the UK. If this is a wind up raas then it's a very sad thing to do otherwise I'm sure you'de have seeked medical attention a long time ago.
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Re: Help... i think i've eaten poisonous shrooms. [Re: Xenophobic]
#2036206 - 10/23/03 11:39 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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^^^ Yes i'm going to hospital tommorow, today if i can't last.
I have all the symptoms for liver damage, and my kidney's are "twitching" which doesn't feel good.
I still prey i'm wrong about everything... but as time goes on it becomes claer i'm not.
I'll post an update after i've been to the hopsital tommorow/tonight. Here's hoping...
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Re: Help... i think i've eaten poisonous shrooms. [Re: raas]
#2036228 - 10/23/03 11:45 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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phone NHS direct on 0845 46 47 they have trained nurses who can tell you whether you need to go to the doctor, go to A+E, call an ambulance or stop worrying about.
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 Re: Help... i think i've eaten poisonous shrooms. [Re: raas]
#2041477 - 10/25/03 12:52 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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I'll post an update after i've been to the hopsital tommorow/tonight. Here's hoping...
No update... Does that mean he didn't make it (from the hospital)?
Posts like this gives me the creeps. It must be horrible when you know amatoxin is inside your body.
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Re: Help... i think i've eaten poisonous shrooms. [Re: Quincunx]
#2041878 - 10/25/03 11:35 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Well it might mean he dd seek help and is in the hospital still getting treatment. Lets all for hes sake hope so.
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Re: Help... i think i've eaten poisonous shrooms. [Re: Bushdoctor]
#2042528 - 10/25/03 04:11 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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if he went in, he;ll be there for several days under supportive care.
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Re: Help... i think i've eaten poisonous shrooms. [Re: canid]
#2044385 - 10/26/03 08:33 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Oh well.
Anyway... It does seem strange to me, that (maybe) a galerina would grow among a batch of liberty caps...
Where i live, liberty caps grow in abudance on pastures at elevation from 700-1500 meters, but i've never noticed something poisonus growing right amongst them. (And i hunt mushrooms from the age of 7 and liberty caps from the '93.)
But then again... Slovenian Alp mountain region is, i guess, quite different habitat for liberty caps than UK countryside...
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Re: Help... i think i've eaten poisonous shrooms. [Re: Quincunx]
#2044405 - 10/26/03 08:52 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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It is a different habitat Quincunx (apart from maybe mountainous parts, eg Wales) but I've never noticed any poisonous species growing with Liberty Caps over here either.
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Re: Help... i think i've eaten poisonous shrooms. [Re: Xenophobic]
#2046593 - 10/27/03 02:39 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Hey all. Soz for not posting earlier... anyway, here is my story for anyone who cares to read.
After a goodnight sleep (and some really fucked up dreams about dying), i actually felt better in the morning. I met up with a friend who came into A&E with me.
As i got there, the receptionist was a lady in her 50's, she asked "What's wrong with you", and i replied "Um... i think i might be poisoned.", she replied, "Poisoned! how?" and i said "er... it could be a mushroom". "What Mushroom!?" she replied. I looked at her for a second and then said "a poisonous one". She then told me to sit down and wait.
So i was finally lead into a room, with 3/4 staff hovering around me making it extremely awkward to announce "i've been taking magic mushrooms". They tested blood pressure, lungs, temperature and pulse.. all were fine. The doctor was eastern-european, it's wrong to judge but you just KNEW he'd never seen a drug in his life. When i said "My real concern here is that i've eaten a poisonous mushroom" he looked a mixture shocked, scared and disapproving. I haven't felt so awkward in years.
All he did was say, in bad english, "Maybe you have an ill stomach from bad mushroom, see ur GP if symptoms get worse". I REALLY needed a bloodtest to see if any kidney or liver damage was evident but was denied one. I don't even think he realized it was wild mushrooms being consumed.
That night, the muscles inside my chest and stomach were twitching a lot, i had great fatigue and kept going from very hot to very cold. I was sitting around my room saying to myself "shit im gonna die, shit im gonna die" and contemplated what to do.
Browsing health sites in what seemed a desperate attempt for help, i realized i had all the symptoms for General Anxiety Disorder.
I was definitely ill with some sort of stomachy-thing after the mushrooms were eaten, diareah etc... but somewhere i also collected a host of physical side-effects from anxiety. Which added to my concern and panic.
It's hard to say for sure what is wrong from self-diagnosis, but at the end of the day I am well again.
I'm not fucking with mushrooms again, although i read no research has shown any long-term problems, from the high, this anxiety and fucked up dreams they've evoked days after, they must be SERIOUSLY bad for your mental health.
I'm sticking to less head-fucking drugs like ecstasy and speed, which merely make u feel great for a few hours.. shit for a few more.. then back to normal again.
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Re: Help... i think i've eaten poisonous shrooms. [Re: raas]
#2046598 - 10/27/03 02:46 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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they must be SERIOUSLY bad for your mental health
what seems to have been really bad for your mental health is the painful awarenes that you may have eaten something that can kill you in a verry unpleasant manner, coupled with the uncertainty. this is not healthy at all and i understand.
if you choose to stay clear of mushrooms then it is not nessecarily a bad thing.
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Re: Help... i think i've eaten poisonous shrooms. [Re: raas]
#2046760 - 10/27/03 06:01 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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with 3/4 staff hovering around me making it extremely awkward to announce "i've been taking magic mushrooms"
Eh. If anyone would be poisoned with amatoxin there's no need for he/she to mention or explain anything about "magic mushrooms".
People pick and eat edible mushrooms every day. Mushroom poisoning is common to all mushroom hunters, not only to "magic mushroom" hunters.
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 Re: Help... i think i've eaten poisonous shrooms. [Re: raas]
#2046884 - 10/27/03 07:48 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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I'm very glad to hear that you don't seem to have been seriously poisoned. As you noticed, anxiety about possibly being poisoned can produce some pretty distressing symptoms.
The doctor's advice about seeing if the symptoms get worse might sound like he was putting you off, but the really serious toxins would cause you to get *very* sick a few days later. As in sick enough that you'd have to be in a hopsital just to keep from dehydrating from the vomiting and diarrhea.
Unfortunately, there are no antidotes for mushroom toxins (except muscarine). So, if you are poisoned, they can only provide supportive care. If organ damage becomes serious enough to cause failure, organ transplants enter the picture. Fortunately, only a very few kinds of mushrooms cause anything as serious as organ damage. The vast majority cause irritation to the GI tract, causing you to vomit and have diarrhea until all the mushroom bits have been expelled (and sometimes a bit extra, just for fun).
Mushrooms can be eaten safely (I've been picking and eating wild mushrooms for over 25 years without once being poisoned), but it requires that you be *very* picky about which mushrooms you eat. Take the time and effort to learn how to accurately identify the mushroom(s) you're interested in. The only ones you eat are ones you're certain of. You can study the others you your heart's content, and you will learn to recognize more species you can safely eat through those studies.
If you intend to eat wild mushrooms (for whatever reason), it's a really good idea to learn all the deadly mushrooms. Then you can look over any mushrooms you intend to eat and make certain that you're not eating a mushroom known to be deadly, or even one that's similar. That way, if you get poisoned, you can at least calm yourself with the thought that you're only going to get sick for a few hours or days and then be OK.
One of the biggest reasons the numbers of poisonings and deaths due to mushroom poisoning in the US are so low is that society here spreads the idea that eating a wild mushroom will kill you. In Europe and Asia that belief is relatively nonexistent. In a bad year in Europe they will have as many or more mushroom poisoning deaths as the US has had in the last century. A high percentage of the fatal poisonings here are immigrants who don't have a taboo with eating wild mushrooms, and who sometimes mistake a deadly species here with an edible one from their original country.
As far as the street drug bit goes, you might look into ways of making sure that what you're buying is what it's supposed to be and not contaminated with something you don't want. There are altogether too many poisonings of people who got a bad batch of whatever.
Good luck and happy mushrooming!
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Re: Help... i think i've eaten poisonous shrooms. [Re: ToxicMan]
#2047308 - 10/27/03 11:15 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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I'm glad you did eventually go for medical attention raas, and I can sympathise with you in respect to all the foriegn doctors we seem to have (notably indian, pakistani, eastern european) that seem to have no idea of what they are talking about half of the time, I've experienced this many times with different problems, none relating to this though.
I totally agree with ToxicMan, and wish you all the luck for the future especially now that you seem to have the all clear. Remember.... knowledge is power. Research, research, research....... and this problem would have never arose.
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Re: Help... i think i've eaten poisonous shrooms. [Re: raas]
#11539097 - 11/27/09 05:26 PM (2 years, 5 months ago) |
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definetly tell your doctor
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Re: Help... i think i've eaten poisonous shrooms. [Re: o.0Sage0.o]
#11539098 - 11/27/09 05:27 PM (2 years, 5 months ago) |
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or take some pepto bismol hahaha
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Re: Help... i think i've eaten poisonous shrooms. [Re: o.0Sage0.o]
#11539123 - 11/27/09 05:31 PM (2 years, 5 months ago) |
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Way to make posts in a thread that's 6 years old.
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Re: Help... i think i've eaten poisonous shrooms. [Re: ToxicMan]
#11539129 - 11/27/09 05:31 PM (2 years, 5 months ago) |
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exactly what i thought lol
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Re: Help... i think i've eaten poisonous shrooms. [Re: dicky21]
#11540696 - 11/27/09 11:36 PM (2 years, 5 months ago) |
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wow fun read lmao.
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