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erallen
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Re: How TL Makes a Mono Tub (W/ Tips for a 1 Flush Wonder Mono Using Coir) [Re: 13shrooms]
#20164678 - 06/21/14 04:04 PM (9 years, 9 months ago) |
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Do you ever do a horse manure/coir substrate? If so, how did it go or compare with just the coir substrate?
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Re: How TL Makes a Mono Tub (W/ Tips for a 1 Flush Wonder Mono Using Coir) [Re: erallen]
#20164873 - 06/21/14 04:51 PM (9 years, 9 months ago) |
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i feel like you will get a million answers on that man. its grower preference, and ppl will argue both sides till the bitter end. Ultimately, you should try it urself and see, because opinions on substrates like this (not facts about them, but preferences for their use) are just words on a screen, u will learn way more about mixing poo/coir by watching it perform in a tub. just be more careful about watching ur temps when u pasteurize with poo.
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Re: How TL Makes a Mono Tub (W/ Tips for a 1 Flush Wonder Mono Using Coir) [Re: blindingleaf]
#20173445 - 06/23/14 02:10 PM (9 years, 9 months ago) |
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while adding manure will benefit your mushies with a larger variety of nutrients TL likes to keep things simple and go with D5050s elementary coir (5gal bucket prep) tek with corm/verm only every time so you dont have to worry about proper pasteurization etc. fast and easy, thats TL all the way
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Re: How TL Makes a Mono Tub (W/ Tips for a 1 Flush Wonder Mono Using Coir) [Re: 13shrooms]
#20670704 - 10/07/14 10:36 AM (9 years, 5 months ago) |
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What size Jars dI'd you use and what size pressure cooker ?thanks
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mrmrmrmr
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Re: How TL Makes a Mono Tub (W/ Tips for a 1 Flush Wonder Mono Using Coir) [Re: mrmrmrmr]
#20670721 - 10/07/14 10:39 AM (9 years, 5 months ago) |
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Also how would you sterilize the polyfill ,would soaking it in iso (91%) and them dry work ?
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Josh.0
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Re: How TL Makes a Mono Tub (W/ Tips for a 1 Flush Wonder Mono Using Coir) [Re: mrmrmrmr]
#20670735 - 10/07/14 10:42 AM (9 years, 5 months ago) |
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AA925X / AA930 filled with Qt jars
put your poly inside a grain jar and PC it for 20-30mins may I ask why you are wanting to sterilize the poly?
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mrmrmrmr
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Re: How TL Makes a Mono Tub (W/ Tips for a 1 Flush Wonder Mono Using Coir) [Re: Josh.0]
#20670753 - 10/07/14 10:46 AM (9 years, 5 months ago) |
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That's what the OP suggested ?I bought mine from wally world
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Josh.0
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Re: How TL Makes a Mono Tub (W/ Tips for a 1 Flush Wonder Mono Using Coir) [Re: mrmrmrmr]
#20670781 - 10/07/14 10:54 AM (9 years, 5 months ago) |
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I see, well if the polyfill is new right outta the bag/pillow theres no need to sterilize it.. fruiting tubs is not a sterile procedure.. if you have used the poly a few times i dont see what it would hurt..to just use new wads or sterilize it
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13shrooms
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Re: How TL Makes a Mono Tub (W/ Tips for a 1 Flush Wonder Mono Using Coir) [Re: Josh.0]
#20670840 - 10/07/14 11:19 AM (9 years, 5 months ago) |
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Josh.0 said: AA925X / AA930 filled with Qt jars
put your poly inside a grain jar and PC it for 20-30mins may I ask why you are wanting to sterilize the poly?
because after harvest your sub gets exposed and clean poly is just an added bonus, better safe than sorry.
poly sits on store shelves for a long time, no need to intro a bunch of dust and random who knows what to your grow space..
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mrmrmrmr
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Re: How TL Makes a Mono Tub (W/ Tips for a 1 Flush Wonder Mono Using Coir) [Re: 13shrooms]
#20671046 - 10/07/14 12:28 PM (9 years, 5 months ago) |
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So how are you sterilizing the poly? And I just got the indoor outdoor humidity/temp from radioshack ,where is the best place to put it ?
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Re: How TL Makes a Mono Tub (W/ Tips for a 1 Flush Wonder Mono Using Coir) [Re: mrmrmrmr]
#20672969 - 10/07/14 08:25 PM (9 years, 5 months ago) |
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I am very sad right now. I started using this tek last spring as my first grow. It worked amazingly the first few times. But since then every single tub has contaminated with trich. I mean dozens of them over the course of months. Not one single good mushroom but many many tears of frustration.
Here is what happens: I follow all steps for colonizing 10 jars of albino A+, letting them consolidate an extra week just to be sure.
I bucket tek exactly 650 grams of (eco earth) coir and 2-3 quarts of verm (depending on how fine it is)using 1 gallon boiling water.
I spawn them into a clean, trash bag lined monotub (the exact tub from the photos in the tek) wearing sterilized gloves in a clean room with the AC off.
I leave the holes taped and maintain 68-74 degree temperature. I watch the tubs colonize completely (my A+ usually does so in about 7 days)
Then i wait eagerly (with the tape still on the holes) while knots, then pins form. Everything looks great, then... Whammo! Trichoderma!
I dont mean a little bit either- the trich just explodes, covering the whole thing is snow white in 24 hours, then blooms green the next day.
occasionally I even get one to start fruiting before the green monster shows up but id say 9/10 of them contam the very day when i was ABOUT to put them in fruiting- right when the first dozen or so pins show up.
I have tried fruiting the same A+ culture invitro and it works just fine. Flushes over and over til its all dried out and still no contam.
Please, anyone at all. Words cannot describe my desperation.
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eatyualive
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Re: How TL Makes a Mono Tub (W/ Tips for a 1 Flush Wonder Mono Using Coir) [Re: FragileBastard]
#20673164 - 10/07/14 09:20 PM (9 years, 5 months ago) |
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i understand the one and done concept but i have two tubs on third flush. ive pulled 5z dry first flush, also pulled 4oz dry off two separate tubs 2nd flushes. third flushes looking close on both tubs. if you supplement. you can get fairly consistent yield past one flush with coir/verm. even dunking boosts he yield in later flushes for me. thats only multispore were talking. clone has much better results. and its less work than making a new tub. don't get me wrong ive always done a huge 2 flush rotation. but since i have some time between tubs this round. i let them go another flush or two. and its definitely worth the wait.
Edited by eatyualive (10/07/14 09:23 PM)
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dodgem
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Re: How TL Makes a Mono Tub (W/ Tips for a 1 Flush Wonder Mono Using Coir) [Re: FragileBastard]
#20674575 - 10/08/14 09:56 AM (9 years, 5 months ago) |
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FragileBastard said: I am very sad right now. I started using this tek last spring as my first grow. It worked amazingly the first few times. But since then every single tub has contaminated with trich. I mean dozens of them over the course of months. Not one single good mushroom but many many tears of frustration.
Here is what happens: I follow all steps for colonizing 10 jars of albino A+, letting them consolidate an extra week just to be sure.
I bucket tek exactly 650 grams of (eco earth) coir and 2-3 quarts of verm (depending on how fine it is)using 1 gallon boiling water.
I spawn them into a clean, trash bag lined monotub (the exact tub from the photos in the tek) wearing sterilized gloves in a clean room with the AC off.
I leave the holes taped and maintain 68-74 degree temperature. I watch the tubs colonize completely (my A+ usually does so in about 7 days)
Then i wait eagerly (with the tape still on the holes) while knots, then pins form. Everything looks great, then... Whammo! Trichoderma!
I dont mean a little bit either- the trich just explodes, covering the whole thing is snow white in 24 hours, then blooms green the next day.
occasionally I even get one to start fruiting before the green monster shows up but id say 9/10 of them contam the very day when i was ABOUT to put them in fruiting- right when the first dozen or so pins show up.
I have tried fruiting the same A+ culture invitro and it works just fine. Flushes over and over til its all dried out and still no contam.
Please, anyone at all. Words cannot describe my desperation.
How have you been expanding your albino A+ spawn? G2G over and over? Working with agar wedges? ...?
I found that after many many rounds of G2G my tubs started to contam much more often. I have read something long ago mentioning 1st, 2nd, etc. generation of 'strains' and how as they get further down the line the become 'weaker'/less resistant to contams.
If someone else with more knowledge could confirm or bring some light to this topic that would be grand.
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mrmrmrmr
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Re: How TL Makes a Mono Tub (W/ Tips for a 1 Flush Wonder Mono Using Coir) [Re: dodgem]
#20675067 - 10/08/14 11:56 AM (9 years, 5 months ago) |
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This post goes out to anyone who can help me. I've poured over this tek (thanks so much to the OP for making it ) and I have some questions. For the spawn jars he suggests using silicone applied to a synthetic filter disc to put on top of the lid. Does this eliminate the need to put poly in there when you PCB the jars ? Also how far away should the fan be. My monotub would be in a small closet. I'm going to have a wemo connected to turn the lights on and off every 12 hours. I think I've read through each step enough to get the hang of it. With the saran wrapped lid ,if I have a Lear I don't need to bother with that,step throughout the whole,process do I ?thanks so,much guys I'm learning so much on here and can't wait to start fruiting some mushies. My first strain will be golden teachers hopefully they turn out good.
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Re: How TL Makes a Mono Tub (W/ Tips for a 1 Flush Wonder Mono Using Coir) [Re: mrmrmrmr]
#20680810 - 10/09/14 05:04 PM (9 years, 5 months ago) |
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Is the saran wrap lid required for colonization or fruiting ?all other teks I've seen have used them but TL says it's only necessary if the lid is colored
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SpitballJedi
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Re: How TL Makes a Mono Tub (W/ Tips for a 1 Flush Wonder Mono Using Coir) [Re: mrmrmrmr]
#20680876 - 10/09/14 05:20 PM (9 years, 5 months ago) |
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NO. Not necessary. Nor do you need to tape the bottom to keep light out. Just use a clear tub with a clear lid instead and a plastic liner instead of taping the bottom.
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mrmrmrmr
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Re: How TL Makes a Mono Tub (W/ Tips for a 1 Flush Wonder Mono Using Coir) [Re: SpitballJedi]
#20681245 - 10/09/14 06:36 PM (9 years, 5 months ago) |
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Plastic liner on the substrate level in place of tape correct ?
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SpitballJedi
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Re: How TL Makes a Mono Tub (W/ Tips for a 1 Flush Wonder Mono Using Coir) [Re: mrmrmrmr]
#20681262 - 10/09/14 06:39 PM (9 years, 5 months ago) |
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Out of respect, I don't want to hijack TL's thread, so just look in my signature for links or do a search for "liner".
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13shrooms
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Re: How TL Makes a Mono Tub (W/ Tips for a 1 Flush Wonder Mono Using Coir) [Re: SpitballJedi]
#20682103 - 10/09/14 10:13 PM (9 years, 5 months ago) |
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SpitballJedi said: Out of respect, I don't want to hijack TL's thread, so just look in my signature for links or do a search for "liner".
its ok he wont be around for some time, life got in the way and he doesnt have time for shroomery. I live near him and we are in contact but he wont be around here any time soon...
hes all good just a different path in life at the moment..
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Re: How TL Makes a Mono Tub (W/ Tips for a 1 Flush Wonder Mono Using Coir) [Re: 13shrooms]
#21668553 - 05/12/15 04:51 AM (8 years, 10 months ago) |
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13shrooms said:
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code_molly said: What exactly would you say is the best then for spawn jars?
wide mouth anything that will withstand the high temps of the pressure cooker during sterilizing.
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PussyFart said: The mouth of the jar is irrelevant for spawn, since all we do with it is pour the grains out anyways........
Regular mouthed (70mm) lids are best for grain spawn running due the smaller opening. The smaller the opening to your receiving media vessels, the less of a path for contaminates to invade. Every little bit counts/helps. Not saying that wide mouths won't work for grain spawn running, because they do, but to say that the width of the opening on jars is irrelevant, and/or that wide mouth (90mm) is better than regular mouth (70mm) for the running of grain spawn in the matter of which jars are best to use as grain spawning media vessels is not correct. Please don't be mad.
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