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OfflineLukeSitewalker
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Re: Self healing lid TEK [Re: scatmanrav] * 1
    #17001559 - 10/09/12 09:15 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

Thank you, thats what I thought, but I wasnt sure and wanted to hear from someone with more experience. Im going to do this lid tek, but with plastic lids, I think its the way to go.


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Re: Self healing lid TEK [Re: LukeSitewalker]
    #17051637 - 10/17/12 10:29 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

Great Tek. I was thinking today about this and wondering if tyvek on both sides would prevent contamination and work for grain, lc, and pf jars. After reading all of the way through, I've found this to be true.

I've been running into slow colonization times. Thinking I've used too much in the line of filters. On a bunch of grain to grain quarts I did two weeks ago, only one is fully colonized. I just shook the rest two days ago and still haven't seen growth. I have tyvek under the lid, polyfil in holes, tyvek over the lid, and doubled coffee filters rubberbanded on top.

Would this most likely be my problem?

Also had some jars a while back where i had tyvek under the lid and a single polyfil inoculation site, covered again with coffee filters. Most of them contamed and appears to have come from the polyfil.

Would this most likely be my problem?

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Re: Self healing lid TEK [Re: MatthewLMoriarity]
    #17052821 - 10/18/12 05:28 AM (11 years, 5 months ago)

Going to make some lids using your tek been using polyfill before but this self healing lid tek is a much better way to go.

Thanks :bow2:


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Re: Self healing lid TEK [Re: NuttyProfessor]
    #17052871 - 10/18/12 06:01 AM (11 years, 5 months ago)

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Going to make some lids using your tek been using polyfill before but this self healing lid tek is a much better way to go.

Thanks :bow2:




following this tek to the "T" will work great, but just thought i would give ya a little friendly advice, with no disrespect to citric :wink:.

it works exactly the same but if you want your lids to look a little better try using some pre-fabbed self healing ports.  although this costs a tad more, i really like the way it looks.

you can get 24 for $2 from here... the blue ones are the only ones that i have used but the red ones look pretty spiffy as well...

http://www.sciplus.com/category.cfm/subsection/4/category/50

a 1/2" hole is the perfect size for these badboys.  also i like to add some rtv/silicone (of whatever you are using) to the hollow inside of the plug.  if you add the rtv to it, it will last you longer than a metal lid would, seriously.


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Re: Self healing lid TEK [Re: IamYou]
    #17052931 - 10/18/12 06:21 AM (11 years, 5 months ago)

yeah it does seems a bit better i will order some of those Rubber Plugs in the near future. thnx
Going to make some like Citric at first i already have some rtv and tyvek at home.


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Re: Self healing lid TEK [Re: MatthewLMoriarity]
    #17053602 - 10/18/12 09:42 AM (11 years, 5 months ago)

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I've been running into slow colonization times. Thinking I've used too much in the line of filters. On a bunch of grain to grain quarts I did two weeks ago, only one is fully colonized. I just shook the rest two days ago and still haven't seen growth. I have tyvek under the lid, polyfil in holes, tyvek over the lid, and doubled coffee filters rubberbanded on top.

Would this most likely be my problem?

Also had some jars a while back where i had tyvek under the lid and a single polyfil inoculation site, covered again with coffee filters. Most of them contamed and appears to have come from the polyfil.

Would this most likely be my problem?




Yes, and maybe.

Why are you using tyvek and polyfil? Just use two layers of tyvek, one under the lid and one over. No more. One layer under or over works fine but I like two better. Polyfils awful.


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Re: Self healing lid TEK [Re: scatmanrav]
    #17054502 - 10/18/12 12:36 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

im totally biased towards SFD's... creature of habit i guess


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Re: Self healing lid TEK [Re: scatmanrav]
    #17055305 - 10/18/12 02:23 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

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Polyfils awful.




I have to respectfully disagree with this, I have done 100s of jars with polyfill and never had a problem...it just sucks having to replace it every time, but for $3 a bag who can complain...

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Re: Self healing lid TEK [Re: PussyFart]
    #17057625 - 10/18/12 08:22 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

To each his own,I find it to be a mess.


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Re: Self healing lid TEK [Re: scatmanrav]
    #17057640 - 10/18/12 08:24 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

Will polyfil work?  Sure.  Hell way back people use to use cotton!

However, Polyfil provides FAE, which could lead to drying out your substrate if there is a lot of air current.  I strongly suggest using SFD's, tyvek, or at the minimum micropore tape.


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Re: Self healing lid TEK [Re: Citric]
    #17057716 - 10/18/12 08:38 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

i use polyfil for  GE on lids...never had the first problem
it's cheap ...easy...i reuse the same lids many times before i replace

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Re: Self healing lid TEK [Re: penhed]
    #17057788 - 10/18/12 08:52 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

Just made 24 of them they turned out great.  Thanks for the idea, lots of good posts and info citric


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Re: Self healing lid TEK [Re: Greenskybluegrass7]
    #17058811 - 10/18/12 11:35 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

everything mushrooms uses polyfill for their lids. 

yes it works, but SFD's just look cleaner and prob are cleaner as far as contam penetration resistant, but who knows? maybe noT?


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Re: Self Healing lid tek [Re: nexus1946]
    #19869171 - 04/19/14 03:46 AM (9 years, 11 months ago)

WHy do you put the tyvek on the bottom of the lid and not the top?


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Re: Self Healing lid tek [Re: Bigrigg92]
    #20955899 - 12/10/14 03:07 AM (9 years, 3 months ago)

This looks like it should be pretty contam proof. Thanks for the tek.

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Re: Self Healing lid tek [Re: Snow]
    #21078190 - 01/06/15 05:11 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

just wondering if this tek is for pint jars and if the hole size is dependant upon jar size

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Re: Self healing lid TEK [Re: Citric]
    #22830276 - 01/27/16 11:47 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

thank you for the tutorial

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Re: Self Healing lid tek - Tyvek discussion [Re: Citric]
    #23961419 - 12/27/16 09:30 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Citric said:
Quote:

hamloaf said:
Due to the intense heat of the PC. The intense heat of the PC melts the micron sized holes shut. After the second PC'ing. They are closed. No longer allowing for gases to exchange. After 2 times through the PC. Your tyvek filters will need to be replaced.

Remove and replace envelope tyvek after each run through the PC. Do you have a painters supply outlet near you? Better then envelope tyvek is to use painter cover alls tyvek, cut into squares, as tyvek gas exchange filters. They can go through the PC twice before needing to be replaced and can be adhered with micropore tape for easy removal and replacing.

Best tyvek, medical grade tyvek. Medical grade tyvek is designed to be repeatedly PC'ed. For, the sterilization, then disposal of bio hazardous, medical waste.
HL




I've used those lids time and time again without replacing the tyvek.  I had no contams, nor any difference in colonization speed.




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Which lids? Research with painter cover alls tyvek. Currently that's being conducted. Has found the opposite. Three or more times through the PC and mycelium stalls. I used to glue the the tyvek with silicone. To the lids, thinking I could use them over and over again. Until, I began to notice. After repeated uses with the lids. Mycelium growth would stall. I always blamed the spores. Unitl I was advised that the tyvek closes after 2 times through the PC.

I switched from gluing the tyvek to the lids with silicone. To, using micropore tape to adhere tyvek. For quick and easy filter replacement to the lids like this.

Tyvek.
Micropore tape.
Tyvek.
Micropore tape.

Since, I have never had a problem with stalled mycelium in my tyvek gas exchange filter lids. You think I only have one method for lid/gas exchange? It truly is amazing how one thing that works for one person in this hobby. Genuinely does not works for another person. I replace my tyvek cover all material, that has been cut into squares, every 2 times through the PC.
HL




I am bringing up this old gold thread to continue a discussion on this Tyvek issue. What are your experiences with Tyvek? Would enevelope Tyvek be OK and could you thereby seal it to the jar lid with silicone. Or would you seal the Tyvek to the lid with micropore tape? (Unless you had some medical quality tyvek, as stated in the HL qoute)
Shedding light on this would mean that I/we could avoid having to change the Tyvek sealed with silicone. (I do not have access to SFD's)

I'm curious because I wanna do this nice PF lid TEK of Shea25.

Did 4 jars about 2 weeks ago. Actually had really nice myc growth in all of them, but have already lost two cause of contamination.. The Verm layer had begun to fall down the sides of cake in the jar, because weirdly enough, my cakes had shrunken after PC'ing, causing the layer of verm to descent at the edges of the jar/cake. I now have only 2 jars left, with 1 looking a little suspect.. Keeping an eye on it.

So what are your 2 cents on the Tyvek issues? :smile:

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Re: Self healing lid TEK ** Update 10.17.17 ** [Re: Citric]
    #24717033 - 10/17/17 02:45 PM (6 years, 5 months ago)

:thumbup: thats how I do mine, cept I use clear silicone. nice write up


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Re: Self healing lid TEK ** Update 10.17.17 ** [Re: Ziran]
    #24717052 - 10/17/17 02:55 PM (6 years, 5 months ago)

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:thumbup: thats how I do mine, cept I use clear silicone. nice write up




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