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Re: Are there any out-and-proud Socialists in this forum? [Re: Celestica]
    #19792505 - 04/03/14 11:06 PM (9 years, 11 months ago)

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I can proudly call myself a socialist.

I like the communist manifesto as a whole, atleast. Though there is some issues with gender equality in it. And yes, it's an old book. and some things aren't accurate anymore. Still the Bible is like ten times as old and people believe in that shit. Also I would say I am more liberal on social and personal issues that most socialists (and Mr Marx).

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1) what is equal about gender?  There are some things men do better than women, and some things women do better.  That's a fact.  Or let me put it this way.....MEN AND WOMEN ARE DIFFERENT.  the equality is in different ways than what is being force fed us by political correctness.

The Communist manifesto?  Its an interesting philosophical argument.  And I wipe my ass with it.


The hippy communes of the 60's where a great experiment in communism.  What happened?  They worked until the freeloaders came, the bums who just wanted to fuck and take drugs, and didn't contribute to the society. 

My opinion is that communism will work in a very tightly knit community small enough so all the members are forced to be responsible.

It won't work on a large scale, say, a country like Russia, or the united states.  Because 1) too many freeloaders leech on the system.

2) There is too much cultural diversity.  One size doesn't fit all.  What is good for a group of people in say, new York, isn't necessarily the best thing for a population in Arizona, or Montana, etc.  That's true of any big Federalist type of government.

3) When you have a 'socialist' society, with an authoritarian government, what happens?  You get a group of elites running the show that don't have to follow the same rules as everyone else, and make the rules so it favors them. 

That's what's happening in the US.  And don't tell me 'well, the Republicans Capitalist system isn't working...


FUCK THE REPUBLICANS.  They aren't running a capitalist system, they are running a crony capitalist--AKA Facist system--just like the Democrats are.  They just have different cronies they give the money too.


You want to know who has the best ideas for the US?  Just look at who the mainstream republican and democrat parties attack.  They attack people like Rand Paul and Ted Cruz claiming they want to let people die and shit.  What a load of fucking horseshit. 

They want to get the goddamn government under control and manage the programs so there is something left for everyone in another 25 years.

The reason they are under attack is because they threaten the good ole boy crony capitalist system.

Leave it up to the states.  And if you dont like what a state does, vote for a change.  your vote is a lot stronger in a state when there are 5 million people than in a nation with 350 million people. 

And if you are still satisfied, move to a state that does what you want.

I mean, that is why I'm sure people are flocking to california and New York and not texas or other states with more conservative idealism. :smirk:


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Re: Are there any out-and-proud Socialists in this forum? [Re: psyconaught]
    #19794750 - 04/04/14 02:03 PM (9 years, 11 months ago)



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Re: Are there any out-and-proud Socialists in this forum? [Re: zappaisgod]
    #19805631 - 04/06/14 09:14 PM (9 years, 11 months ago)

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A masters in bullshit and a minor in lesser bullshit. 



so if it's bullshit, why do you argue about it and try and set the definition for your country's proper political agenda?

why do you philosophize so much about it all? methinks you're either bullshitting yourself, or just trying to bullshit us.

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Re: Are there any out-and-proud Socialists in this forum? [Re: my3rdeye]
    #19805683 - 04/06/14 09:25 PM (9 years, 11 months ago)

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Socialism is a proven failure time after time.  The shitstorm is coming for most of Europe like it has already devastated Greece, Spain and Portugal.




Capitalism is a failure too so what? You people have wars to cram it down other nations throats. Maybe you should try minding your own fucking business about what other nations are doing. America is great too, unless you are in the dark skinned underclass. I don't have black or mexican ghettos in my nation since we are criticizing other countries.
I say fuck capitalism. Please explain why we are raping our planet for money? I live in oil country and i fail to understand this big rush to drill it all and sell it to China. Why? What is the point of this, when everything is gone do you expect to eat the money? Whats wrong with leaving stuff in the ground for our grand children? Capitalism has no grand plan, unless consume everything until it is all gone is a plan. The market will not magically fix it itself or whatever else you pie in the sky conservatives think. Capitalism is not some perfect system, it just manged to force itself on the world via Amerikkan war machine. I look forward to it's collapse.




There are not any people in the position of power that has the best interest of the country and stabilizing the foundation that made the country. Things are being retaught twisted and people training to the outlook as its own people are the enemy. When I go outside for a family BBQ or taking the lil ones bike riding I look up....and what do I see 98% of my days outside? Planes spraying chemical's in grid formation and no one notices. Something is very wrong, even worse than it was 20 or 10 yrs ago. There is nothing anyone can do about it either, we gave the keys to the corrupt treasonous few and they don't work for us. Be it left or right.

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Re: Are there any out-and-proud Socialists in this forum? [Re: Lostkey]
    #19805702 - 04/06/14 09:30 PM (9 years, 11 months ago)

PS: nothing commonly works as it should in this world, especially in these days where everything and everyone is connected and receiving punctual information on every widely regarded topic, whether they are fit to pertain to it or not; and especially with how things are run a mass scale and with little accountability nor real education or teaching or proper funding for what is ultimately important for a well run state and institution.

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Re: Are there any out-and-proud Socialists in this forum? [Re: akira_akuma]
    #19807303 - 04/07/14 09:26 AM (9 years, 11 months ago)

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zappaisgod said:
A masters in bullshit and a minor in lesser bullshit. 



so if it's bullshit, why do you argue about it and try and set the definition for your country's proper political agenda?

why do you philosophize so much about it all? methinks you're either bullshitting yourself, or just trying to bullshit us.




I am not philosophizing.  I am very nuts and bolts on the issue of governance.


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Re: Are there any out-and-proud Socialists in this forum? [Re: zappaisgod] * 1
    #19809075 - 04/07/14 05:17 PM (9 years, 11 months ago)

that may be very well true. it just doesn't seem that way to me, because you are so apt to fight to the death with people who maybe ARE philosophizing. :sadyes:

but then again, maybe like i'd presume, you're just sick and tired of being sick and tired. i sorta know the approximate feeling. you just wanna shake some by their head and go "point 1 ect ect point 2 ect ect ect" all the way up to point 79 and you want them to fucking get it through their heads already without their silly preponderances.

though, for you, maybe it's not as dilettante as it is for them.

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Re: Are there any out-and-proud Socialists in this forum? [Re: akira_akuma]
    #19809305 - 04/07/14 06:08 PM (9 years, 11 months ago)

The things I am trying to teach here are the elementary ABCs of life.  Like in Animal House when the dean tells Flounder,

"Fat, drunk and stupid is no way to go through life, son."


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Re: Are there any out-and-proud Socialists in this forum? [Re: zappaisgod]
    #19809405 - 04/07/14 06:23 PM (9 years, 11 months ago)

alot of this shit is interesting to the purveyor but not to the purveyed. but the purveyed have to include themselves in this because it's all-encompassing in the ways we turn on this planet nowadays.

economy, sociology and the like... it's all for purveyors.

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Re: Are there any out-and-proud Socialists in this forum? [Re: akira_akuma]
    #19809702 - 04/07/14 07:19 PM (9 years, 11 months ago)

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Re: Are there any out-and-proud Socialists in this forum? [Re: zappaisgod]
    #19809842 - 04/07/14 07:44 PM (9 years, 11 months ago)

never said i didn't. what i don't like is everyone's attitudes.

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Re: Are there any out-and-proud Socialists in this forum? [Re: akira_akuma]
    #19810011 - 04/07/14 08:19 PM (9 years, 11 months ago)

Everyone?  Or just mine?


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Re: Are there any out-and-proud Socialists in this forum? [Re: zappaisgod]
    #19810139 - 04/07/14 08:54 PM (9 years, 11 months ago)

everyone's.

but then again nobody is perfect. my attitude can be blundering just the same.

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