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Edmunters everything woodlovers -outdoor woodlover TEK- All you need to start your own patch * 1
    #19719628 - 03/19/14 04:33 PM (10 years, 11 days ago)

I would like to point out that this is a work in progress Tek an I would love any input, tips, ideas for improvements along the way as I can edit it so there is no bad info.  I am learning as I go also and will remove this section once proven a success.  I have read up on this subject and this is my hypothesis.

This tek should work for any wood loving mushrooms.

So firstly the area where you are going to put the patch is very important.  I am going to put it in an area that doesnt have the midday sun and is partly shaded by a tree most of the rest of the time. Secondly the timing is also important.  For example when I test this I will be using Psilocybe Cyans which fruit at a low temp 10-13 C / 50-55 F.  Where I live It hits those temps in September so I need to give the patch time to be fully colonised and ready to fruit by then.  If I miss that window it will fruit the next year.

Substrate prep (You can find videos on this in my signature)

-Inoculate grain(jars/bags)
-Pasteurise 4 kgs of wood chippings(small)/wood shavings(smaller)
-Once 100% colonised Spawn Wood chippings
* I am assuming that if you are trying this you understand how to do all this basic stuff, but if not please ask and I can point you in the right direction.

Prep for outdoor patch(Once bags(4kg) are 100% colonised)

Using 1:4 spawn for outdoor substrate

In this case 4kg:16kg
12 Kg Woodchip
4 KG straw
Cardboard
There is no need to pasteurise the wood chip and straw here as nature will do its work from now on.  However I have used fermentation pasteurization with great effect and found the mycellium to grow faster when I used this method.  I will be using this from now on.



-Place the cardboard over the entire area you want to patch.
-Add a few handfulls of spawn to make a thin layer
-Add layer of woodchip and straw
-Add a layer of spawn
-Add a layer of Woodchip and straw
-Do this until all the spawn is used
- You should aim for a height of 10-20 cm

Tending to the patch

Water the patch occasionally. If there is no rain or when needed.
Cover with cardboard in the summer so it stays humid and keeps some of the moisture in.

After first harvest

Add more woodchips and mix up with colonised patch to expand it for next years harvest, hopefully bigger and better.. You want to do this before the first frost to let it get a hold.

If you want to grow along you are very welcome.



10th November 2019

Update 5 years later and ive managed to get round to it thanks to a friend.

I have 2 species at the moment.  P.Cyan in a patch that has fruited really well and hasnt stopped yet even though its frosty every night.  Plus P.Cyan in boxes, 1 which has fruited ok and 1 which hasn't fruited at all.  Ive heard they can sometimes fruit after the winter in this case but im not sure.

The second species is Allenni and this is a beautiful waxy fruit that grows in big clusters.  I have only got these in one box but will be expanding to a patch next year.

I have  a tun of allenii spore prints which are available for swapsies.

I have just germinated P.Azures on a plate so will be transferring to small bags and grains.

Love woodlovers!!!!



This is the grow boxes I use for outdoor household projects.

https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/26533842



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Re: Edmunters outdoor wood TEK [Re: Edmunter]
    #19719669 - 03/19/14 04:40 PM (10 years, 11 days ago)

I am inoculating 4 jars of grains.  I only have 5cl in a syringe of psilocybe cyanescens and need to make it stretch.  I think you can miss this stage and go st8 for inoculating woodchip/sawdust bags(RR has a great tek on this in his videos) but I am confident i can do the job with grain so am sticking to this.

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Re: Edmunters outdoor wood TEK [Re: Edmunter]
    #19719691 - 03/19/14 04:43 PM (10 years, 11 days ago)

5cl would knock up 200+ grain jars.
5ml would knock up 20+

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Re: Edmunters outdoor wood TEK [Re: Edmunter]
    #19719738 - 03/19/14 04:52 PM (10 years, 11 days ago)

Please amend your thread title.  Don't use the word TEK until you have a proved method.  What you should be saying is outdoor wood experiment, or outdoor wood project.
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Re: Edmunters outdoor wood TEK [Re: bodhisatta]
    #19719750 - 03/19/14 04:53 PM (10 years, 11 days ago)

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5cl would knock up 200+ grain jars.
5ml would knock up 20+




Ha ha very good point.  I blame it on the fact I had a general anaesthetic today and it fried my brain

Lets have another go......

I am inoculating 4 jars of grains.  I only have 5ml in a syringe of psilocybe cyanescens and need to make it stretch.  I think you can miss this stage and go st8 for inoculating woodchip/sawdust bags(RR has a great tek on this in his videos) but I am confident I can do the job with grain so am sticking to this.

So I could put 1/4 Ml in each jar? but im going to use 1 ml and use 1ml to make a liquid culture before I go to Agar

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Re: Edmunters outdoor wood TEK [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #19719756 - 03/19/14 04:54 PM (10 years, 11 days ago)

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Please amend your thread title.  Don't use the word TEK until you have a proved method.  What you should be saying is outdoor wood experiment.
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Re: Edmunters outdoor wood lover experiment [Re: Edmunter]
    #19719770 - 03/19/14 04:56 PM (10 years, 11 days ago)

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Re: Edmunters outdoor wood lover experiment [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #19719902 - 03/19/14 05:15 PM (10 years, 11 days ago)

you could put like two drops in each jar and be fine, but I would personally just use a 1/4ml.

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Re: Edmunters outdoor wood lover experiment [Re: bodhisatta]
    #19746638 - 03/25/14 06:46 PM (10 years, 5 days ago)

If i were to spawn a fully colonised wheat bran supplemented sawdust bag to chips in a tub indoors (and when i mean spawn indoors i mean to maximize my spawn not to fruit) would i need to pastuerize the chips or could i sterilize? and when spawning the sawdust do i brake it up as fine as i can and mix thoroughly with woodchips in a bin/tub/tote and let colonise and keep adding new chips once that colonises? and how thick of a layer when adding chips?


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Re: Edmunters outdoor wood lover experiment [Re: tombosley8]
    #19748784 - 03/26/14 04:14 AM (10 years, 5 days ago)

I have been advised to pasteurise when working indoors.  and I am going to mix as evenly as I can when bulking up my spawn.

How far are you on in the process?

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Re: Edmunters outdoor wood lover experiment [Re: Edmunter]
    #19748807 - 03/26/14 04:39 AM (10 years, 5 days ago)

Just thinking it out through and through and waiting on the damn mail for some spores. Though I know i'm late i'm going full throttle as soon as i have em. Worth a try for this year and definitely will help for next year. I swear i saw if you use only an inch to two layer of chips on top of your already colonized spawn that it will get colonised before it can contam as long as it's pasteurized OR sterilized though i can't find the info directly. Maybe i was dreaming  :5moreminutes:


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Re: Edmunters outdoor wood lover experiment [Re: tombosley8]
    #19748811 - 03/26/14 04:41 AM (10 years, 5 days ago)

Ok, please dig that info out.  I find pasteurisation really easy these days thanks to Frank......

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/17897163#17897163

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    #19748821 - 03/26/14 04:51 AM (10 years, 5 days ago)

Ya that is how to do it but it's a lot more work than sterilizing (and time) Just trying to cut it down as much as possible but i'll keep digging til i find somethin good :evildog:


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    #19748834 - 03/26/14 05:08 AM (10 years, 5 days ago)

I find if you get you sub to field capacity with water that puts the core temp up to 90F then all you have to do is again raise that core temp 6-8f befor cutting heat and it goes into the 140-160 range for an hour.

I had a mind block about it for a while but now im totally confident.

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Re: Edmunters outdoor wood lover experiment [Re: Edmunter]
    #19866339 - 04/18/14 04:18 PM (9 years, 11 months ago)

Jars 80% colonised.  Thoughts turning towards pasteurising woodchips.  As always a spanner was thrown in the works and somebody said it wasn't necessary. 

Please discuss.

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Re: Edmunters outdoor wood lover experiment [Re: bodhisatta]
    #19868884 - 04/19/14 01:05 AM (9 years, 11 months ago)

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you could put like two drops in each jar and be fine, but I would personally just use a 1/4ml.




is 1/4ml really enough? even for cubes? i guess i've been overdoing it a bit if so.

edmunter, i think you should try to expand your grain through g2g, you could really maximize your spawn then inoculate chips.  Jars only take a week and a half and you could 10x the amount


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Re: Edmunters outdoor wood lover experiment [Re: tombosley8]
    #19869704 - 04/19/14 08:36 AM (9 years, 11 months ago)

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you could put like two drops in each jar and be fine, but I would personally just use a 1/4ml.




is 1/4ml really enough? even for cubes? i guess i've been overdoing it a bit if so.

edmunter, i think you should try to expand your grain through g2g, you could really maximize your spawn then inoculate chips.  Jars only take a week and a half and you could 10x the amount



it's more than enough use somewhere between a few drops and 0.25ml.

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Re: Edmunters outdoor wood lover experiment [Re: bodhisatta]
    #19987065 - 05/14/14 01:16 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

So Ive finished pasterising my 4 kg wood chip verm mix and ive gone to look at my jars and they all have metabolites.  Any clues to why this is?  I still have to be careful at this stage to not get contams?

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Re: Edmunters outdoor wood lover experiment [Re: Edmunter]
    #19987093 - 05/14/14 01:22 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

yewp those are metabs, at least its for an outdoor project:thumbup:i don't see any visible signs of bacteria though, myabe they got too warm?


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