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 First MDMA next weekend, advice needed
#1918894 - 09/15/03 03:59 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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Hey fellas, haven't posted for awhile.
Been busy with school, and have put the hobby on hold after my first grow.
anyway, i scored my first X night before last. blue with white specles and a 5 pointed star. cut with heroin supposedly, which being an opiate lover im ok with
I have been putting MDMA off for awhile, because supposedly the first time is the best and its all downhill from there. A friend gave me a good discount so i bought three   , traded one for a buetiful glass sherlock.
The remaining 2 unfortunutly got crushed in my wallet.
I entend to try it next weekend with a very close friend. I am going to use the oportunity to lay some heavy imotional stuff on her that i'v been holding in for a year or 2. this is the only thing i have planned. I don't know where or how i am going to do it yet.
what do you guys recomend?
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 Re: First MDMA next weekend, advice needed [Re: Dreamer987]
#1918897 - 09/15/03 04:01 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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Say goodbye to your brain. *bye bye*
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Re: First MDMA next weekend, advice needed [Re: Dreamer987]
#1918932 - 09/15/03 04:12 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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they dont cut MDMA with herion,
thats a stupid urban legend.....
you may NOT want to unload a bunch of emotional stuff on a sober person while u are on E..
you WILL look like an "E-tard"
if she is gonna be on E as well, the u are ok.....
stay away from people who arent on E
you will say/do things that you may regret
basically MDMA is a sure thing, you will have a great time..
but it gets boring after a while, its always the same... MDMA never changes..
i havnt done it in 2 years now.... i jsut haev no desire to.. i know exactly what will happen, step by step...\
good luck....
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Re: First MDMA next weekend, advice needed [Re: hyper_dermic]
#1918942 - 09/15/03 04:15 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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Its not a urban legend up here. They call it "trail mix".
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taking it once isnt that bad, its just when you start using it consecutive days in a row that you have to start worrying.
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Re: First MDMA next weekend, advice needed [Re: Infrared]
#1918969 - 09/15/03 04:23 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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Want your 5-HT receptors fried out in your brain for your whole life? E is good for that...
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Further proof you don't know what your talking about _shifting_
Herion is not in fuckin beans bitch
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Re: First MDMA next weekend, advice needed [Re: John]
#1919016 - 09/15/03 04:37 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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Traces of H are found up here in Canada inside E...
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get drunk before you pop your tab(s). it'll make the blow up a little easier. smoking pot is also good beforehand. you'll probably be nervous about your first time and the speedy blowup doesnt help the anxiety. just keep calm and dont think about it too much. get some 5-htp for after your roll. you could take some before and during, just to give your brain a little boost. gather some nice tunes for the experience. sex is amazing. hope you have fun. i wouldnt recommend unleashing all your emotions on her. i mean, you're already gonna be a little *too* nice on the e. you run the risk of crying or acting like a baby in front of her, is that what you want? afterwards she may think you're an idiot and cant handle your e. or you may totally ruin her roll. just turn the music on, dance like no ones watching, have the time of your life, have sex, chill out. oh... flexeril is really nice with e. too bad i cant roll anymore.
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Just say fuck it and smoke some weed.
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drinking and taking mdma is not a good idea, and what anxiety? hes not taking shrooms or acid, its e. there is absolutely no anxiety with e in my oppinoin but just the opposite.
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Quote:
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Traces of H are found up here in Canada inside E...
Show some proof! You don't know what your talking about. Out of all the pills confiscated or sent into labs for testing, not one pill has been found to contain herion and MDMA. What would be the logic behind it? Gee I have some MDMA which will blow you mind if you take it by it's self, but I have this herion around so I guess I'll just put it in these pills for the hell of it. Fuck no. People do things to increase there profit, not dramatically cut it down. Do you know that herion is rather expensive, and to put enough in a pill to actually be active would be a complete waste of money? Please stop talking out of your ass.
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Re: First MDMA next weekend, advice needed [Re: John]
#1919430 - 09/15/03 06:38 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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go to dancesafe.com and u found your answer
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Re: First MDMA next weekend, advice needed [Re: showcivic17]
#1919464 - 09/15/03 06:52 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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i'm talking about the blow up not the roll itself. imo, the blow up is always speedy, i always liked to do k or drink(or both) before eating rolls. without them i'd get so hyped up about the roll and end up gettin shaky and shit. that's how I react to e. and that's how i make it better. i'm not saying get piss drunk. that would be dumb. just a nice warm buzz. my rolls were always more loved up with alcohol/k.
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Re: First MDMA next weekend, advice needed [Re: showcivic17]
#1919474 - 09/15/03 06:54 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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Okay I go to dancesafe, go through many pages to find I'm still right.
I found one pill that contained herion, look at what it contained...
Heroin (21.4%)
Aspirin (71.4%)
Fluoxetine (7.1%)
I said no dealer in his right mind would mix herion into an already active pill, and notice this dosn't have any MDMA, or MDA in it. That kid said the pills in canada have MDMA with herion in them, which I haven't yet seen to be true. So before you try to prove me wrong, read my post correctly. kthnx
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Re: First MDMA next weekend, advice needed [Re: John]
#1919532 - 09/15/03 07:12 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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I heard it on the news sorry...
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 Re: First MDMA next weekend, advice needed [Re: Dreamer987]
#1919997 - 09/15/03 09:22 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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Wow, thanx for all the replys.
just so's you know, this chick is my best friend and will be rolling with me.
While heroin in E may be rare, i'v heard stranger things. I'll tell you how it feels next weekend.
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Re: First MDMA next weekend, advice needed [Re: Dreamer987]
#1920033 - 09/15/03 09:31 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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you guys will be more than best friends after you roll together, i can guarantee that.
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Re: First MDMA next weekend, advice needed [Re: Infrared]
#1920067 - 09/15/03 09:42 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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You might get ket or some shit...
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You might get ket or some shit...
what????????????
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 Re: First MDMA next weekend, advice needed [Re: Infrared]
#1920106 - 09/15/03 09:56 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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Think he means ketamine, which is a potentially fatal mix with mdma, right?
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Re: First MDMA next weekend, advice needed [Re: Dreamer987]
#1920119 - 09/15/03 10:02 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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i dunno, i wish i had some ketamine, that stuff is awesome. id take that over rolls any day, but thats me.
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Want your 5-HT receptors fried out in your brain for your whole life? E is good for that...
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theshiftingwalls said:
Say goodbye to your brain. *bye bye*
That's complete BS. I can't believe you are stupid enough to believe that anti-drug propaganda. Sure heavy E use will cause some damage to the serotonin system, but moderate usage won't. Heavy drug use is always bad. Do some research.
Even when there's damage, they haven't proven that it affects your mental health yet.
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Re: First MDMA next weekend, advice needed [Re: hyper_dermic]
#1920769 - 09/16/03 05:23 AM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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basically MDMA is a sure thing, you will have a great time..
but it gets boring after a while, its always the same... MDMA never changes..
Yep, E never changes. It jus got boring to me. Please, friend, don't get into the habit of doing this particular drug all the time. It's not worth the depression and being ate up afterwards. Then it takes a couple days to recover fully from it.
Get a chew toy.
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Re: First MDMA next weekend, advice needed [Re: Cracka_X]
#1922005 - 09/16/03 02:35 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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"E never changes. It jus got boring to me"
Hmmm... this sounds worrying.. I've just done it once, but, how can it become boring to be extremely happy and feel so much beautiful feelings for everyone and everything? Doesn't those feelings matter for real either, without E? In that case, my first pill was my last.
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Re: First MDMA next weekend, advice needed [Re: Infrared]
#1922486 - 09/16/03 04:43 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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Do a search and get a list of roll tricks to try (especially the "falling through the floor" one, and melting into each other). Go to bluelight.nu and do a search.
DO NOT ROLL WITH ANY SOBER PEOPLE!! They will think you're annoying as shit and will probably give you looks, and you'll be worried and paranoid that they're mad at you. It will fuck up your roll big time.
Smoke weed on the comedown, but do NOT drink alcohol before/during/after the roll.
Oh, and good luck trying to pee. You'll see what I mean.
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Re: First MDMA next weekend, advice needed [Re: Superbowl Bob]
#1922496 - 09/16/03 04:45 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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And don't eat too much candy. The sugar will eat the fuck out of your mouth and tongue. Hurts like hell.
I think everyone should roll at least once in their lifetime. I did it 6 times spaced out 1.5 months each. I'm done with it and moved on. It tended to make me depressed after a while, and I felt "cracked out".
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Re: First MDMA next weekend, advice needed [Re: Superbowl Bob]
#1922550 - 09/16/03 04:57 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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E is a waste of time... Bottom line...
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Re: First MDMA next weekend, advice needed [Re: Infrared]
#1922657 - 09/16/03 05:21 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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Quote:
DEep24blue said:
you guys will be more than best friends after you roll together, i can guarantee that.
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Re: First MDMA next weekend, advice needed [Re: domite]
#1922668 - 09/16/03 05:23 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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Most people who do MDMA are homosexual...
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have you ever done MDMA shifting?
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Re: First MDMA next weekend, advice needed [Re: Help on the Way]
#1922811 - 09/16/03 05:56 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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No, but lots of my friends have. Now their half retarded... Its a sad thing really... My buddy only did it once, now he can not spell good...
He got As in high school also...
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i dont understand how you can say E is a waste of time if you have never done it.
That's almost as crazy as saying LSD isn't deep or pure compared to woodrose
Anyways Dreamer...i would recommend trying to search the pill online to make sure it is okay to take
If it is then have fun...when you come up on E the first time you take it its fucking incredible
And as long as you keep it very rare, contrary to what is being said, you will be fine
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Re: First MDMA next weekend, advice needed [Re: Help on the Way]
#1922839 - 09/16/03 06:04 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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oh yea and i wouldnt drink before it
E dehydrates you and so does alcohol so its not the best idea
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Re: First MDMA next weekend, advice needed [Re: Help on the Way]
#1922998 - 09/16/03 06:57 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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Then why is my friend sooo fucked up now? The only hard drug he did was pure E. He only did it once. Now he stops thinking and goes blank once in awhile. His brain is shot...
Look the long term side-effects are the most worst thing. It fucks you up. My fucked friend told me to never touch E or it will fuck you up when its 10 years later.
It might feel good in the now... But the far past is what bites...
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Re: First MDMA next weekend, advice needed [Re: starfungi]
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"E never changes. It jus got boring to me"
Hmmm... this sounds worrying.. I've just done it once, but, how can it become boring to be extremely happy and feel so much beautiful feelings for everyone and everything? Doesn't those feelings matter for real either, without E? In that case, my first pill was my last.
Dude, I used to roll every fucking weekend b/c I loved that feeling sooooo damn much. Then it just got old and I just got really ate up.
Do it once to experience it and leave it along b/c you'll be wasting you time, money, mind, and body doing that crap.
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maybe his problems are caused by something else and he's just blaming it on his one time use of ecstasy
or maybe he is a fluke occurence
i rarely did it and i am fine, and pretty much everybody else i knwo who rarely did it is also fine
the only people who got fucked are the ones who did it all time
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Re: First MDMA next weekend, advice needed [Re: Help on the Way]
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there are people who are spaced out and fucked up who havent even taken any drugs, that proves nothing. i regret a lot of the times i used x, but as long as you dont use it a lot, it shouldnt be a big deal.
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Re: First MDMA next weekend, advice needed [Re: Infrared]
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I have done alot of MDMA and MDA in my time and I'm getting my Ph.D. so I don't think it will make you stupid if you only use it occasionaly.
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Re: First MDMA next weekend, advice needed [Re: John]
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Occasional use is the key - much like with everything else we talk about here 
I roll about 3x a year... I might like to do it a bit more often, but at that rate, I really really get to look forward to it, and plan to have a GREAT time when I do. So it's no skin off my teeth that I don't get to do it more.
Just make sure you've got plenty of water, some chewing gum, some great music, some comfey chairs/sofas/beanbags... I don't know if you're going out or staying in, but prepare to smile. Hard.
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Re: First MDMA next weekend, advice needed [Re: GernBlanston]
#1923787 - 09/16/03 10:40 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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if you dont have a pure pill then its fucking gay
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Re: First MDMA next weekend, advice needed [Re: Dreamer987]
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Dreamer...
I did E once, but that one time changed my life. At the time, I was doing some pretty hearty drinking every night, hurting those around me and even considering suicide. I got the opportunity to take E one night, and I chowed it down, expecting to get the 'fucked up' feeling that alcohol gave me. (I was very drug inexperienced)
Wow, my life completley changed for the better. I saw how terribly I was taking advantage of those I loved, putting them through hell and I really opened up to my boyfriend that night and told him everything I was feeling, how sorry I was for putting him through that hell.
There was laughter and tears, but since then I have hardly dranken at all, and I make sure never *ever* to take anyone in my life for granted. That was what E opened me up to...allowing me to see how special and how fragile life is, and how I should cherish every moment I have with my loved ones.
I haven't done it since, and really don't want to. I've never had such an eye opening experience with any other drug except maybe a shroom experience or two.
I say just enjoy your experience and let it take you where it will.
Good luck
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Re: First MDMA next weekend, advice needed [Re: Dreamer987]
#1923816 - 09/16/03 10:51 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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my advice: don't do it.
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Re: First MDMA next weekend, advice needed [Re: Cracka_X]
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It's stupid to do it every weekend. You should've known that.
But I don't think there's anything wrong with using ecstasy 3-4 times a year. You won't lose the magic and you won't get depressed, especially if you take some 5-htp afterward.
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Re: First MDMA next weekend, advice needed [Re: John]
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I did it once every 1.5 months, 6 times in a row. I'm about to graduate with a 3.45 GPA. Hasn't hindered me one bit. It did make me depressed and moody after it was all said and done, but that was my fault for not doing it 2-3x/year.
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Re: First MDMA next weekend, advice needed [Re: Superbowl Bob]
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If it was me, I wouldn't do it :P
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Re: First MDMA next weekend, advice needed [Re: GanjaManDan]
#1925629 - 09/17/03 02:27 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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its a good experience to have, but not one to repeat often. looking back on all the times ive done it, I regret most of them.
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No, but lots of my friends have. Now their half retarded... Its a sad thing really... My buddy only did it once, now he can not spell good...
Are you sure you've never rolled? 
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Re: First MDMA next weekend, advice needed [Re: Noviseer]
#1925714 - 09/17/03 02:43 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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he cant spell good because of rolls huh? thats the biggest crock of shit ive ever heard, there is absolutely no way you can substantiate the correlation between mdma usage and the ability to spell. mmmkay
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Re: First MDMA next weekend, advice needed [Re: Infrared]
#1925786 - 09/17/03 02:58 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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DEep24blue said:
he cant spell good because of rolls huh? thats the biggest crock of shit ive ever heard, there is absolutely no way you can substantiate the correlation between mdma usage and the ability to spell. mmmkay
HAHAHAHahaha .
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i know, your ignorance is hillarious to me too.
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Re: First MDMA next weekend, advice needed [Re: Infrared]
#1925812 - 09/17/03 03:06 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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If it's good pure stuff there are no tips becauseit's absolutley impossible to have a bad trip on that stuff..
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Re: First MDMA next weekend, advice needed [Re: Infrared]
#1925841 - 09/17/03 03:20 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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DEep24blue said:
i know, your ignorance is hillarious to me too.
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thanx 4 all the insights. I'm still sitting on my pills waiting for a special occasion, and to anyone concerned i have a strong beliefe in moderation
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Re: First MDMA next weekend, advice needed [Re: Dreamer987]
#1950042 - 09/24/03 10:39 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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I wouldn't take it
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Re: First MDMA next weekend, advice needed [Re: Dreamer987]
#1950515 - 09/25/03 05:57 AM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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Just scanning thru, i didn't see anyone suggest you look at the pill reports at dancesafe.org. go for it. there's no guarantee that it will be the same, but it might be worth looking into.
pill tests is the page i was referring to. useful wheather or not you will be dancing while using the pill.
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Re: First MDMA next weekend, advice needed [Re: seraphim]
#1950574 - 09/25/03 07:08 AM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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>> Sure heavy E use will cause some damage to the serotonin system, but moderate usage won't. Heavy drug use is always bad. Do some research. Even when there's damage, they haven't proven that it affects your mental health yet.
Everybody is different, and will respond differently to forced serotonin release. Some people recover quickly, others don't. Serotonin is generally considered to be a "rubber" system, in that it is flexible and takes a long time to gather itself once it's balance has been disturbed. Dopamine on the other hand, is considered a "robust" system in the psychiatric community, in that sudden changes in dopamine balance are quickly corrected.
More people will follow this curve than won't. Many people can experience extreme difficulty from just a few doses over a long period of time, while others can dose frequently over a short period of time and not notice any undesirable effects. It is not reasonable to apply a cut and dry rule to the harmful effects of MDMA on the human brain.
And, of all drugs, MDMA carries many more harmful effects than most.
Myself and my girlfriend are perfect examples. During the days of my ecstasy use (which I enjoyed immensely), I had limited myself, for my own protection, to no more than one pill per month. The rule was that no matter how weak that pill may be, I would never double dose. These rules ensured I put my money on properly researched doses, and that I didn't use too much ecstasy. I also applied all the self-protection techniques illustrated all throughout the internet: 5-HTP, B Vitamins, Vitamin E, Alpha Lipoic Acid, SSRI post-loading, etc.
It wasn't long before I found myself in searing depression. I use the word "searing" because that's how it felt, like there was a hot iron of horrible feelings being pressed into my brain. I lost control of myself in a big way, was suicidal for a long period, and ended up locking myself in the closet for the duration. I gradually picked myself up again, and have abstained from ecstasy use since.
My girlfriend, on the other hand, not being aware of the dangers of ecstasy, has eaten upwards of a dozen pills in the span of one week, and continued weekly or biweekly dosing after that. I can count the amount of pills I've eaten on one hand, while she has lost track completely. She has yet to experience any noticible difficulty. She has told me of some temporary memory problems, though they cleared up for her with a week of abstinence.
It is up to the individual to regulate ecstasy use. I think that the individual should be just as informed about themselves as they are about their substances. Be very careful when using ecstasy.
In my opinion, ecstasy is too much to juggle and too little reward to reap. But Jesus, those Blue Versace's were good:
Just looking at that pic brings me back to some wonderful times. May 15, 2002 -- Mauro Picotto @ The Whiskey, Calgary ..what a party.
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Re: First MDMA next weekend, advice needed [Re: seraphim]
#1950576 - 09/25/03 07:08 AM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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seraphim said:
Just scanning thru, i didn't see anyone suggest you look at the pill reports at dancesafe.org. go for it. there's no guarantee that it will be the same, but it might be worth looking into.
pill tests is the page i was referring to. useful wheather or not you will be dancing while using the pill.
good call, pillreports.org is also good.
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Re: First MDMA next weekend, advice needed [Re: hyper_dermic]
#1950585 - 09/25/03 07:14 AM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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hyper_dermic said:
they dont cut MDMA with herion,
thats a stupid urban legend.....
i thought so too but you REALLY cant tell unless its tested.
take a look at this...granted, this is the only pill w/ heroin ive seen.
dance safe search
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Re: First MDMA next weekend, advice needed [Re: Twista]
#1950641 - 09/25/03 07:56 AM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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That's a beautifully pressed pill! I've never seen one like that. Usually it's just something imprinted on the pill, but never that detailed border. Sweet!
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 Re: First MDMA next weekend, advice needed [Re: Ped]
#1953042 - 09/25/03 10:59 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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That is a beautiful pill, Ped... and a very nice post to go along with it. I enjoyed your perspective and objective view of the drug immensely. You hit it home when you brought up the very important realization that the individual should be just as informed about themselves as they are about their substances 
BTW, I was without home internet access for over a week - but I'm back now, so (and this does not apply to everyone as most of you can vibe with the peace) make sure you keep these ridiculous argument style flames out of Trip Tips (lookin' in theshiftingwall's direction here, amongst retaliators). I was on my way to close this thread when I came across this gem of an ending and thanks to it-- I'll leave this bitch open.. but only so long as discussion is respectful and on topic 
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Re: First MDMA next weekend, advice needed [Re: geokills]
#1953257 - 09/26/03 12:51 AM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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Thanks Geo
I still have one of those pills. It is even more beautiful in person. I could never bring myself to eat it, or sell it. My thought was that I would have it irradiated, rendered inactive (and therefore legal), and encased inside a pendant which I could wear around my neck for sentimental value.
It's sentimental value is through the roof indeed. I was lucky enough to eat a Blue Versace as my first dose of ecstasy almost two years ago. They are as excellent on the inside as they are on the outside. It was a smooth, long roll, filled with many warm and gentle feelings. There was not a delerious rush as with many pills available these days.
I can remember when the pill first took effect, those crashing waves of calm and bliss, the sudden presence of moment. Then the come down, laying on the bed looking up at the cieling, listening to my friends converse among eachother, just basking in the joy of being alive and experiencing the phenomenon of simple experience itself. I coasted on a euphoric cloud for days after that experience. Those days shine bright in my memory.
MDMA, I think, is just the prescription for a culture and global society that has forgotten what it means to be happy, and to be alive. It seems to have arrived in just the nick of time. As I said, though. Be careful.
Fantastic.
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Re: First MDMA next weekend, advice needed [Re: Ped]
#1953365 - 09/26/03 01:52 AM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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Take half and find out...
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Re: First MDMA next weekend, advice needed [Re: Infrared]
#1953879 - 09/26/03 08:16 AM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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i have eatin over 300 pills, and i was sent to the hospital 3 times because of MDA, i am on high honor roll at school and have been for the past year, i think mdma and mda effects people differently(obviously) its kinda like any hard drug, maby the old saying it only takes one time is true, but then agin it might be like flipping a coin, you never really know what is going to happen...and i dont think that we are going to see alot of long term problems with mdma/mda use for atleast10-15 years, when alot of the useres are older.
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Re: First MDMA next weekend, advice needed [Re: Dreamer987]
#1954010 - 09/26/03 09:31 AM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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i suggest talking with your friend before taking the E, about how you feel, or else it'l be on your mind while your rolling, and now that people have told you not to talk to her about it while rolling cause youll come off as crazy (you prolly will), you'll be conflicted the entire night. Get stuff off your chest before rolling. You'll feel better as a result anyways
As to the H in the rolls, jtryptamine, you didnt say H was not found in already active pills:
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Do you know that herion is rather expensive, and to put enough in a pill to actually be active would be a complete waste of money? Please stop talking out of your ass.
You said putting H in a pill to make it active owuld be a waste of money. but it was done anyways. Given, E can be cheaper, but maybe they want to sell H. You atrent the drug dealer, so don't assume you know everything going on. Stop bitching at shiftingwalls when your facts are skewed. Dancesafe doesnt list all pills in the world, so the fact that there is one pill with H means that its likely that there are more.
And E is pretty safe, maybe somethng else happened to your friend? I doubt all he did was E. Research consistently shows pure E is safe
, but there IS damage to serotonin receptors. Some people will argue you have infinite reserves of serotonin. You may produce serotonin after you roll, and for long periods of time, but you don't keep producing serotonin for the rest of your life. So my bio lab teacher told me, and no, she wasnt spreading voernment propoganda. She's super cool too (and kinda cute).
Dreamer, be careful with rolling, don't do it too often. It only looses its magic if you do it often, I think. Maybe it's a psychological thing, although there is the physiological effect of not having produced enough serotonin since your last roll. Give yourself time between rolls. Take nice walks in the morning. Excercise. Get a pet maybe. Spread out your rolls
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Re: First MDMA next weekend, advice needed [Re: entiformatie]
#1954528 - 09/26/03 12:36 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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Plz read my posts in entirity before you decide to critize me here ya go...
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As to the H in the rolls, jtryptamine, you didnt say H was not found in already active pills:
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Do you know that herion is rather expensive, and to put enough in a pill to actually be active would be a complete waste of money? Please stop talking out of your ass.
You said putting H in a pill to make it active owuld be a waste of money. but it was done anyways. Given, E can be cheaper, but maybe they want to sell H. You atrent the drug dealer, so don't assume you know everything going on. Stop bitching at shiftingwalls when your facts are skewed. Dancesafe doesnt list all pills in the world, so the fact that there is one pill with H means that its likely that there are more.
But if you read the whole post and not just pull out pieces to prove me wrong....
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Out of all the pills confiscated or sent into labs for testing, not one pill has been found to contain herion and MDMA. What would be the logic behind it? Gee I have some MDMA which will blow you mind if you take it by it's self, but I have this herion around so I guess I'll just put it in these pills for the hell of it. Fuck no. People do things to increase there profit, not dramatically cut it down. Do you know that herion is rather expensive, and to put enough in a pill to actually be active would be a complete waste of money? Please stop talking out of your ass.
Here are the contents of the only pill that contained herion...
Heroin (21.4%)
Aspirin (71.4%)
Fluoxetine (7.1%)
I said no dealer in his right mind would mix herion into an already active pill, and notice this dosn't have any MDMA, or MDA in it. That kid said the pills in canada have MDMA with herion in them, which I haven't yet seen to be true. So before you try to prove me wrong, read my post correctly. kthnx
And you don't know me, you don't understand why I say the things I do, ok. Your not going to find any mass produced pill that contains MDMA and herion I guarante it, Granted you might find a pill here or there that has some herion in it, that some local jackass pressed himself (and before you say, most ppl can't press there own pills read my '$5 pill press' post in ODD) theshiftingwalls came off like it was common pratice in his area, and I was being harsh because he is very misinforming. I have seen numerous post where he has given deadly comboniations of drugs and said it was a good mix.
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Re: First MDMA next weekend, advice needed [Re: John]
#1958066 - 09/27/03 06:19 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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btw, i didnt mean to come off as critical of you. you're right, i really don't know you. i was just defending shifting. i know H isnt going to be mass produced in pills, but the fact is that there are pills with some H, and i think that might have been what he was referring to. And yes, i did notice he posts some misinformation, but i think he's trying to contribute. Of course, I can't be sure. Just, I don't really see the point in flaming him.
Sorry if i came off as critical,
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Re: First MDMA next weekend, advice needed [Re: entiformatie]
#1958341 - 09/27/03 08:15 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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All is good =]
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Re: First MDMA next weekend, advice needed [Re: John]
#1958355 - 09/27/03 08:22 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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well, i got impatient waiting for my friend to find some time to do it, so i went ahead without her, and took one and a half pills anally 40 min ago.
I'll let everybody know how it goes
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Re: First MDMA next weekend, advice needed [Re: Dreamer987]
#1958638 - 09/27/03 10:49 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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It was fun, the pills were hella weak though. It didn't feel like it was cut with anything, definately not heroin
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Re: First MDMA next weekend, advice needed [Re: Dreamer987]
#1958658 - 09/27/03 11:06 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Damn they must have been shite if you back here in 2hrs, I wish your first experience was a better one. Alot of pills going around nowadays are bullshit, I dunno why, I guess no one has any respect for drugs anymore, a glance at that pill testing site almost made me cry seeing all the shit they put in them things, AFOAFOAFOAF  used to press 150mg MDA+150mg Niacin(binder/filler) pills that would blow you mind but that was some time ago since it's so risky to mess with that shit now or so I hear.
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Re: First MDMA next weekend, advice needed [Re: John]
#1959465 - 09/28/03 10:09 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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I LIKE TOAST
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Re: First MDMA next weekend, advice needed [Re: Oook]
#1960783 - 09/28/03 06:25 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Has there been any research with MDA? Most/all of the research seem to be with pure MDMA, but in real life you won't get that very often.
Also, I wonder how relevant the destruction of serotonin brain cells associated with MDMA usage really is...? I mean, alcohol destroys a LOT of brain cells (fuck, just living kills braincells), but unless you have a reallly bad drinking habit, you're fine.
And to those that say that E is useless/not worth it etc and haven't taken it themselves. What a bunch of bullshit. I think almost everyone gets something out of it, especially the first few times. It sure opened my eyes, and it has helped me change for the better. Especially for someone with a bad self image, it's the ultimate therapeutic tool - Miracle medecine quite frankly!
Only problem (and cause for ALL problems we have today) is that moderation is something we humans never have been very good at...
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Re: First MDMA next weekend, advice needed [Re: starfungi]
#1961097 - 09/28/03 08:06 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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im still trying to figure it out completely, and i would really appreciate it if somebody could check this for me, and point out any errors. my bio teacher and bio lab ta have both agreed to go over it. this is, so far, what i have of mdma on the brain. i realize there might be mistakes, or spelling errors, so please don't flame me for those. i'm copying and pasting something i wrote, and i'll include references i used at the bottom:
serotonin (aka 5-ht) is synthesized by 5-ht neurons. it is then stored in synaptic vesicles. serotonin is released into synaptic clefts in response to the firing of 5-ht neurons. in the synaptic cleft, serotonin "excerts its action on both pre- and post- synaptic receptor sites (sites on the 5-ht neuron itself, and on the neuron which it is communicating with)." Serotonin is then reabsorbed into the 5-ht neuron (a process which is called "reuptake"), to once again be stored.
serotonin is metabolized by MAOs into 5-hiaa. it is protected from MAOs while it is in the synaptic vesicles. (there are studies showing a correlation between low levels of 5-hiaa and violent suicides)
mdma enters the 5-ht neuron, and causes the release of serotonin, but independently of the firing of 5-ht neurons. it seems that the seratonin comes from cytoplasmic stores rather than synaptic vesicles. the seratonin enters the synaptic cleft, but MDMA prevents a reuptake of seratonin.
mdma also interacts with serotonin 5-ht2, muscarinic m1, alpha-2 adrenergic and histamine h1 receptors. many psychedelics interact with 5-ht2, which could explain ecstasy's psychedelic effects. cardiovascular effects are likely the result of interaction with alpha-2 adrenergic receptors.
mdma releases releases dopamine. preventing the release of dopamine also prevents mdma neurotoxicity in animals. products similar to mdma but with non-dopaminergic effects do not have the psychological effects of mdma. "MDMA tends to indirectly *inhibit* the firing and release of dopamine in nigrostriatal dopamine neurons (neurons projecting from the substantia nigra to the striatum) due to local 5-HT release."
mdma seems to reduce levels of tryptophan hydroxylase, a rate-limiting enzyme in the synthesis of seratonin. this would mean that mdma makes 5-ht neurons synthesize seratonin at a faster rate. this may be the result of oxidative stress that mdma places on 5-ht neurons. oxidative stress leads to neurodegenerative destruction of 5-ht axons in high doses of mdma. "Anti-oxidants, anti-dopaminergic agents, agents which block intracellular calcium increases and pre- or post- treatment (up to 6 hours) with fluoxetine all block MDMA's neurotoxicity."
mdma prevents the brain from reuptaking serotonin. does this mean increased serotonergic effects?
mdma also releases serotonin independently of the firing 5-ht neurons. does this mean more serotonin inside the synaptic clefts?
are synaptic vesicles inside the 5-ht neuron? is serotonin is stored inside 5-ht neuron?
an enzyme in the brain, called 5-htp decarboxylase turns 5-htp into serotonin, making 5-htp a good thing to take after mdma.
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my bio lab teacher explained to me we dont have infinite reserves of serotonin, rather, we keep producing serotonin until our 5-ht neurons just cant make anymore. mdma depletes your serotonin, because there is no reuptake. your body will produce more, however, eventually, it is possible to run out of serotonin, or have extremely low levels. i wonder if 5-htp can actually make us produce more serotonin though. also, i remember having heard somewhere that mdma can stress the 5-ht neurons, causing them to "mutate." i haven't really looked into that though.
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http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/mdma/mdma_info7.shtm
http://www.humboldt.edu/~morgan/ecstacy/MDMArachelc.html
http://web.ask.com/redir?bpg=http%3a%2f%...harmacology.htm
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Re: First MDMA next weekend, advice needed [Re: Dreamer987]
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took one and a half pills anally 40 min ago.
I'll let everybody know how it goes
correct me if im wrong, but,
did he just say he shoved the pills up his ASS?
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Then why is my friend sooo fucked up now? The only hard drug he did was pure E. He only did it once. Now he stops thinking and goes blank once in awhile. His brain is shot...
Look the long term side-effects are the most worst thing. It fucks you up. My fucked friend told me to never touch E or it will fuck you up when its 10 years later.
It might feel good in the now... But the far past is what bites...
U are completly out of your mind and talking out of your ass. If he only had drugs once there is no way in hell he got damaged from that tho i?ve seen people how can?t handle chemiclas well do some nasty shit but hey after the pill worked out they all returned to normal so... E isn?t a bad drug as long as u use over longer periods of time. Like 3 times a year is super and very helpfull. Also the long term effect only happens when u use e for a year every fokin day.
I?ve read lots of your posts specially the hwbr and i cannot believe that u could be this stupid and gulable do some research or don?t speak.
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Yes i did shove the pills up my ass! Not pleasant, but better than getting sick. My only advice is don't skimp on the lube 
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Re: First MDMA next weekend, advice needed [Re: Dreamer987]
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e eems svl to me idont no why but its like the darth vader of drugs in my mind
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Re: First MDMA next weekend, advice needed [Re: notapillow]
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TheShiftingWalls doesn't need to be defended in this thread... everything he's said has been straight out of his ass.
Maybe people who get their drug information from "friends", "bio teachers", and a heaping dose of drug propaghanda should stick to the woodrose threads.
Taking E one, or even several times, will have no long term effects on you besides possibly a fresh outlook on life and a stronger friendship with whoever you take it with. MDMA is one of the safest phenethylamines. Taking too much E will have negative social consequences well before it has serious health effects.
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Re: First MDMA next weekend, advice needed [Re: bluedolphin]
#1975615 - 10/03/03 08:09 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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you just admitted it yourself. taking too much E can be unhealthy for you. The fact is, there is only a limited production of serotonin. Some people will be perfectly fine after a year of weekly pill taking simply because of brain chemistry. They have less rate-limiting enzymes for serotonin, and a longer period of time in which they can produce serotonin. People have different brain chemistry. People react differently to drugs. What made one person depressed might be alright for another person. Although I totally agree the social consequences are gonna get to you faster than the health ones. Regardless though, irresponsible and premature ecstasy use doesn't necessarily lead to a better outlook on life. I think it depends more on set/setting, although even if you have a bad mindset, ecstasy can help you very much. It's just that ecstasy can also plunge you into a world of self-manipulation, if only because of an addictive personality (Take that from me ;-) )
I'm curious as to the details of serotonin production, and when it ends. Anybody know anything about this?
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Re: First MDMA next weekend, advice needed [Re: entiformatie]
#1975707 - 10/03/03 08:42 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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entiformatie -- your summary of MDMA's effects and potentials is absolutely accurate, pardon some of the terminology. You've got the picture very well.
MDMA can cause over-exictiation of 5-HT neurons, which can cause them to cease to temporarily their functions. This is called receptor down-regulation. A neuron which finds itself over-exerted will retract from the synapse and remain quiet for some time. A down-regulated receptor will not produce serotonin. The presence of more MDMA in the days and weeks after down-regulation will disallow the neuron to restore it's function. Eventually it will die.
In cases like these, the introduction of 5-HTP, ALA, and even fluoxetine will not block depressive effects which arise from serotonin depletion with excessive MDMA use.
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Re: First MDMA next weekend, advice needed [Re: Ped]
#1976156 - 10/03/03 11:13 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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thank you very much Ped :-) I just wanted to be sure I wasn't spreading any misinformation. Much appreciation, and 5 shrooms :-)
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Re: First MDMA next weekend, advice needed [Re: entiformatie]
#1976174 - 10/03/03 11:17 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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crap, I gave you 5 shrooms already. Wish I could give you more tho, lol.
What I was gonna include under comments:
thank you very much for helping me out with the science of MDMA. i find it somewhat hard to learn, and your post accelerated my learning process. Thanks :-)
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Re: First MDMA next weekend, advice needed [Re: entiformatie]
#1983671 - 10/06/03 10:18 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Five shrooms.
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Re: First MDMA next weekend, advice needed [Re: Kid_Orgo]
#1983921 - 10/06/03 12:03 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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so is the general concensus that, if the correct preventative measures are taken, and extreme moderation is practiced, very very rare use of MDMA can be ok?
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Re: First MDMA next weekend, advice needed [Re: Kid_Orgo]
#1984749 - 10/06/03 05:43 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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why thank you :-)
and yes, mdma is safe if used very moderately. typical recommendations seem to be 1 1/2 to 2 months, i suggest 3, because everybody is different, and sobriety is a good way to integrate drug experiences into sober life.
one idea tho, take 5htp, before and after, and maybe even during your roll. 5htp is a precursor for serotonin, sold at most GNC stores
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Re: First MDMA next weekend, advice needed [Re: entiformatie]
#2756033 - 06/02/04 06:48 AM (7 years, 11 months ago) |
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Ive been on MDMA for less than a year now, taking it every weekend (almost religiously) probably around 30 pills in 3 days, up to 12 pills a night + coke and shrooms (Friday-Sunday). While I did notice a huge increase in tolerance (on a few occasions I took good amount of decent pills but did not get any great effect, it kept me awake, but I werent high at all), I did not notice any great mental handicap - I get days of pure apathy, some where memory goes a little bad and a few moodswings, but nothing that cant be controled. I think theres a lot of anti-MDMA propaganda out there, or maybe I just didnt come across any people with any major damage from it (I think more chronic weed smokers are way more retarded than MDMA users).
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Re: First MDMA next weekend, advice needed [Re: arcticjoe]
#2757306 - 06/02/04 02:17 PM (7 years, 11 months ago) |
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IMO moderation is the key!!!
you eat to much you get fat
you work to much you get tired
you smoke to many cigs you get cancer
you take to much x you lose its magic and suffer from the ill effects (all discussed in this thread already)
p.s. you can smoke as much weed as you want tho!!! 
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Re: First MDMA next weekend, advice needed [Re: Dreamer987]
#2757447 - 06/02/04 02:58 PM (7 years, 11 months ago) |
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I wish i had another off white omega that i could carry around as a reminder of my first roll. Its not the pretties ecstasy pill out there but its the absolute most beautiful thing to me!
For all the skeptics and believers of ecstasy WATCH THIS (if you havn't already):
http://www.pot-tv.net/archive/shows/pottvshowse-2610.html
watch it from start to finish with an open mind and without any interruptions.
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Re: First MDMA next weekend, advice needed [Re: Dreamer987]
#2759466 - 06/03/04 12:47 AM (7 years, 11 months ago) |
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fuck pills, molly shard is the only way to ingest mdma.
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