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It's not the world that's depressing, but it is we who are depressed * 2
    #19037519 - 10/26/13 10:00 PM (1 year, 4 days ago)

Realising the cognition in your brain is not separate from the information called reality 'outside' of it, is an exceptionally liberating realisation. The world will conform to the limitations you impose on it.

If everything sucks in life and it's meaningless, it's really an outcry for some better mood.

A better mood seemingly projects itself onto the visible world. If you can really spruce your mood up (with or without psychoactives), you're going to end up not with answers, not with less questions, but in a world in which everything takes on a certain significance and your quality of life will improve dramatically.

Discuss.


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Re: It's not the world that's depressing, but it is we who are depressed [Re: circastes]
    #19037760 - 10/26/13 10:46 PM (1 year, 4 days ago)

I'd say that what you are saying is 'right', that the world doesn't inherently contain these qualities that are depressing, not everyone can walk up to a naked stone you used to mark the grave of someone you loved and feel depressed.

I think the things that have a tendency to depress us as human beings are often somewhat universal and when looked at can tell us a lot about ourselves and our species.

Better moods and fouler moods alike shape what we see and how we feel about it.


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Re: It's not the world that's depressing, but it is we who are depressed [Re: Raven Gnosis]
    #19039445 - 10/27/13 07:49 AM (1 year, 3 days ago)

The culture that points their children nowhere is the world is it not? Those intelligent enough to notice that they are going nowhere get depressed right? I say the world is pretty damned depressing. I don't find that the information of outside reality not being separate from my brain particularly liberating at all. I'm still an animal that shits, fucks everything up and then dies.


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Re: It's not the world that's depressing, but it is we who are depressed [Re: usulpsychonaut] * 2
    #19039462 - 10/27/13 08:15 AM (1 year, 3 days ago)

This is true.  I study the OPs overall posts and he invests a lot of energy in trying to prove that we can be physically immortal.  So his POV is based in fear of impermanence imo and without realism or balance and perspective. 

The issue imo is how to balance the wonder of life with the terror of life and so make your way through life on your feet so to speak.


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Re: It's not the world that's depressing, but it is we who are depressed [Re: Icelander]
    #19039518 - 10/27/13 09:07 AM (1 year, 3 days ago)

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and without realism or balance and perspective.




Please support these claims... you do make a case for the observations on the POV of OP but don't explain why this POV would be lacking realism, balance and perspective. Seems a bit unfair... :shrug:


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Re: It's not the world that's depressing, but it is we who are depressed [Re: GoldenEye]
    #19039740 - 10/27/13 10:51 AM (1 year, 3 days ago)

I did explain and it's plain as day right there in my post.


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Re: It's not the world that's depressing, but it is we who are depressed [Re: usulpsychonaut]
    #19040014 - 10/27/13 12:02 PM (1 year, 3 days ago)

Why place the blame on culture as if it is at fault for the nature of things? There was never anywhere to go to begin with...
I think as the pattern seeking/making primates we are, culture is our futile response to this entropy that permeates all aspects of most known things.

Those 'intelligent' enough to see through it often suffer IMO because of how heavily invested most of humanity is to their groups specific cult of collective delusion.
Although one cannot not be a part of it after having been raised in it, such knowledge can move you to the fringes looking in, creating a sense of isolation.

I often feel very alone and desolate because of this, it's why I feel more akin to the sound of barren skeletons of trees gently swaying in the biting wind that hauntingly whistles through their branches than the cacophony of human conversation in a crowded space...


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Re: It's not the world that's depressing, but it is we who are depressed [Re: circastes]
    #19040267 - 10/27/13 01:11 PM (1 year, 3 days ago)

I tend to agree with your OP to some degree. The world isn't depressing. It just is, and doesn't give a shit about us. The world's amoral.
We're the ones who make it depressing, and we're the one's who are upset with it. But at the same time, I wouldn't want to just be an emotional rock that doesn't experience sadness. I don't think one can have this supreme bliss without some form of sadness. Not only do I think that it's inhuman, but I also think that's impossible to achieve.
Maybe we can dissolve this feeling that we're separate from nature, but I feel that'd take a lot of work because we've kind of naturally been set up to feel as if we are someone separate from nature. (or at the very least, our culture promotes that) But who knows? :shrug: I understand it intellectually, and it makes sense, but it's real hard to connect that to my everyday experience of a human who can feel naked and alone in this vast and epic universe.


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Re: It's not the world that's depressing, but it is we who are depressed [Re: r72rock]
    #19040695 - 10/27/13 03:02 PM (1 year, 3 days ago)

I think I've been misread.

When I say the world I don't mean the human world, I mean the perceived world.


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Re: It's not the world that's depressing, but it is we who are depressed [Re: circastes]
    #19041044 - 10/27/13 04:16 PM (1 year, 3 days ago)

I agree that we are not separate from the world perceived or otherwise. This being the case, how could the world not be depressing? Everyone in depression is just as much in and of the world as everything else, if the world is not depressing then depression is somehow separate to the world?


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Re: It's not the world that's depressing, but it is we who are depressed [Re: usulpsychonaut]
    #19041108 - 10/27/13 04:30 PM (1 year, 3 days ago)

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I agree that we are not separate from the world perceived or otherwise. This being the case, how could the world not be depressing? Everyone in depression is just as much in and of the world as everything else, if the world is not depressing then depression is somehow separate to the world?




Ohh! That's an interesting idea... damn. :strokebeard: Never thought about that before. I like it.


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Re: It's not the world that's depressing, but it is we who are depressed [Re: usulpsychonaut]
    #19041154 - 10/27/13 04:40 PM (1 year, 3 days ago)

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I agree that we are not separate from the world perceived or otherwise. This being the case, how could the world not be depressing? Everyone in depression is just as much in and of the world as everything else, if the world is not depressing then depression is somehow separate to the world?




Came here to say this.


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Re: It's not the world that's depressing, but it is we who are depressed [Re: usulpsychonaut]
    #19041573 - 10/27/13 06:26 PM (1 year, 3 days ago)

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I agree that we are not separate from the world perceived or otherwise. This being the case, how could the world not be depressing? Everyone in depression is just as much in and of the world as everything else, if the world is not depressing then depression is somehow separate to the world?




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Re: It's not the world that's depressing, but it is we who are depressed [Re: Icelander] * 1
    #19042038 - 10/27/13 08:39 PM (1 year, 3 days ago)

All these responses are so uninspiring. I feel ya, Circastes


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Re: It's not the world that's depressing, but it is we who are depressed [Re: usulpsychonaut]
    #19045477 - 10/28/13 12:47 PM (1 year, 2 days ago)

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I agree that we are not separate from the world perceived or otherwise. This being the case, how could the world not be depressing? Everyone in depression is just as much in and of the world as everything else, if the world is not depressing then depression is somehow separate to the world?





By that logic, isn't the world pretty much anything? Its depressing because depressed people experience it as so, its fantastic because happy people experience it as so. So maybe Depressing= just one facet of the world?


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Re: It's not the world that's depressing, but it is we who are depressed [Re: jimiandtheshroom27]
    #19045492 - 10/28/13 12:52 PM (1 year, 2 days ago)

of course  although it's not black and white like you make that out.


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Re: It's not the world that's depressing, but it is we who are depressed [Re: Icelander]
    #19045626 - 10/28/13 01:27 PM (1 year, 2 days ago)

Wasn't intentional, i know there are intermediate values between strong happiness and strong depression. I think Circastes makes a good point. Knowing how one's reality is so linked with one's mood can be liberating.    Knowing that what you believe to be the truth can actually just be a feeling you are projecting onto the world is helpful.


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Re: It's not the world that's depressing, but it is we who are depressed [Re: jimiandtheshroom27]
    #19047125 - 10/28/13 06:54 PM (1 year, 2 days ago)

And I agree as far as that goes.


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Re: It's not the world that's depressing, but it is we who are depressed [Re: Icelander]
    #19050136 - 10/29/13 04:14 AM (1 year, 1 day ago)

Well I mean if I sit at this computer long enough, what I see out the window in the backyard actually changes its nature or its depth of field, because during my stay at the computer my mood has changed. Reality and you are dynamic like this.


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Re: It's not the world that's depressing, but it is we who are depressed [Re: circastes]
    #19050740 - 10/29/13 09:04 AM (1 year, 1 day ago)

tired eyes. :shrug:

But of course mood effects perception and there are other things influencing the process. Mood does not necessarily alter physical reality and usually not or never directly.


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