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bodhisatta
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Mini monotub/ Shoebox bulk bricks in SGFC 2
#18857907 - 09/18/13 12:54 PM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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Tubs that will fit 2quarts(spawn+sub) to a 4 inch depth are always not tall enough to account for the fruits. So for a mini-mini monotub like this would it be better to just fruit as a tray in a SGFC or could you attach another tub of the same size upside down over the top of the substrate tub and tape it and turn that into a mono?
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I went with a shoebox size plastic bin. 2 quarts rye spawn to 2 quarts properly pasteurized coir+verm with some coffee water. This result in a colonized block which was removed from the tub and put into a SGFC on a piece of foil. The brick was not "rolled" in verm, but I might try that later. The grains were not dunked prior to spawning because I forgot, but I'll be trying the Frank's grain dunk TEK next time. This particular block is AA+
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blthirteenre said: I found that one brick of coir + 4.5 quarts of water + 1-1.5 quarts of verm + 6 quarts of spawn was perfect for (3) 6 quart shoeboxes. i have also just weighed out ~215 grams of coir + 1.5 quarts of water + 0.5 quarts of verm + 2 quarts of spawn for one shoebox OR for a 16 quart minitub.
9.22.13
I used a huge salad mixing bowl to mix the spawn and sub before putting into the shoe box.
9.24.13
Coming along quite quickly
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In the SGFC on some foil.
Hopefully pins soon.
10.3.13
Still no pins yet. No biggie.
10.7.13
A few big pins a lot of really small hard to see pins and tones of knots. Most of the action is on the side and not the top.
10.8.13
100's of pins and about 64 good sized ones that are easily countable at a glance.
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10.11.13 Closeups edition
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About 130g wet. part of the first flush.
Edited by Trusted cuItivator (10/19/13 07:07 AM)
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Re: Mini monotub opinions needed [Re: bodhisatta]
#18857930 - 09/18/13 01:00 PM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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I make bricks of coir similar to what you're describing. I fruit them in a SGFC with ease. I take them out of the tray, set them of foil on top of perlite and treat them like BRF cakes minus the dunk and roll (i dunk for 60 minutes after each flush, but never before the first).
Mine are double the size you're looking to do, but same concept. Here is a pic, usual yields 2-4 oz per flush per brick. I could get better yields but this is usually made of my left overs I did not grain to grain.
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Re: Mini monotub opinions needed [Re: tbagtag]
#18857983 - 09/18/13 01:09 PM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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haha this is great. I was looking for 1-2oz yields. I dunk my grains prior to spawning now thanks to Frank so I don't do any dunk before the first flush either. I guess why not waist the SGFC I have from cake days and besides testing cultures with cakes I can just put them right in too.
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Re: Mini monotub opinions needed [Re: tbagtag]
#18858043 - 09/18/13 01:23 PM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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tbagtag said: I make bricks of coir similar to what you're describing. I fruit them in a SGFC with ease. I take them out of the tray, set them of foil on top of perlite and treat them like BRF cakes minus the dunk and roll (i dunk for 60 minutes after each flush, but never before the first).
Mine are double the size you're looking to do, but same concept. Here is a pic, usual yields 2-4 oz per flush per brick. I could get better yields but this is usually made of my left overs I did not grain to grain.
Does taking up so much room on foil in an SGFC hurt your humidity? I feel like it would be hard for water off the perlite to evaporate with such large areas covered. I guess since the block is so big it probably helps feed its own humidity?
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Re: Mini monotub opinions needed [Re: bodhisatta]
#18858051 - 09/18/13 01:25 PM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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I have some pics of my Mini monotubs, they are 16qt totes.
They were done at a 1:2 ratio with 2qts of spawn and 4 qts of bulk substrate (50/50 coir and vermiculite with a bit of gypsum)each. Substrate death was around 3 inches.
Edited by Sagescruffy (09/18/13 02:04 PM)
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Re: Mini monotub opinions needed [Re: Mush4Brains]
#18861674 - 09/19/13 05:36 AM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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Mush4Brains said:
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tbagtag said: I make bricks of coir similar to what you're describing. I fruit them in a SGFC with ease. I take them out of the tray, set them of foil on top of perlite and treat them like BRF cakes minus the dunk and roll (i dunk for 60 minutes after each flush, but never before the first).
Mine are double the size you're looking to do, but same concept. Here is a pic, usual yields 2-4 oz per flush per brick. I could get better yields but this is usually made of my left overs I did not grain to grain.
Does taking up so much room on foil in an SGFC hurt your humidity? I feel like it would be hard for water off the perlite to evaporate with such large areas covered. I guess since the block is so big it probably helps feed its own humidity?
Well, its hard for me to gauge properly on the humidity. My mycology area is an old indoor herbal garden so its designed for massive amounts of air flow (2 ac units, central overhead fan and an exhaust). So for me I have to mist 3-4 times a day if I use a SGFC, I would imagine under normal circumstances twice a day should be fine, especially with the type of substrate used to make these bricks (coir and verm).
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Re: Mini monotub opinions needed [Re: tbagtag]
#18861908 - 09/19/13 08:06 AM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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I have done this with both 6 quart shoeboxes and am doing it now with a 16 quart minitub. For whatever reason, I decided to make holes in it like a SGFC. Here is a thread with pics of a 6q shoebox I used with cocoa husk. I was getting a dry oz. off each flush with nice strong fruits.
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/18630845
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Re: Mini monotub opinions needed [Re: blthirteenre]
#18861914 - 09/19/13 08:07 AM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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Re: Mini monotub opinions needed [Re: blthirteenre]
#18861922 - 09/19/13 08:10 AM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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Here is a picture of a 6q shoebox filled with coir/verm/spawn to the top,colonized, then put in a SGFC. That is probably the best option for yield purposes except it is very messy. It falls apart very easily.
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Re: Mini monotub opinions needed [Re: blthirteenre]
#18862079 - 09/19/13 09:10 AM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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Re: Mini monotub opinions needed [Re: blthirteenre]
#18862103 - 09/19/13 09:17 AM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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blthirteenre said: Here is a picture of a 6q shoebox filled with coir/verm/spawn to the top,colonized, then put in a SGFC. That is probably the best option for yield purposes except it is very messy. It falls apart very easily.
I usually wait till it's fully colonized or at least 95% if I get invitro pinning. Sometimes the sub will shrink before full colonization depending on spawn ratio leaving that micro climate. These work great without liners as you'll get pins all over the place.
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Re: Mini monotub opinions needed [Re: tbagtag]
#18862129 - 09/19/13 09:23 AM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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yeah, this is 100% but it was hard to mix everything around properly in the 6q shoebox so there was like chunks of coir that wouldn't colonize. i think the two pictures are different cakes... i had one that i had no room for and i had to leave it for 2-3 weeks in the shoebox and it got covered in pins and i believe that one worked better... bulk cakes are definitely superior to pf cakes in many ways... i would have just stuck to these bulk cakes and forgot about pf cakes if it weren't for all of the 4/8 oz. jars i have left over.
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Re: Mini monotub opinions needed [Re: blthirteenre]
#18862140 - 09/19/13 09:26 AM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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blthirteenre said: yeah, this is 100% but it was hard to mix everything around properly in the 6q shoebox so there was like chunks of coir that wouldn't colonize. i think the two pictures are different cakes... i had one that i had no room for and i had to leave it for 2-3 weeks in the shoebox and it got covered in pins and i believe that one worked better... bulk cakes are definitely superior to pf cakes in many ways... i would have just stuck to these bulk cakes and forgot about pf cakes if it weren't for all of the 4/8 oz. jars i have left over.
Use them for inoculation. I actually switched to half quart jars for inoculation.
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Re: Mini monotub opinions needed [Re: tbagtag]
#18862165 - 09/19/13 09:32 AM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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All of this is awesome. I'm going to give the 6quart shoe box grain cakes a try.
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Re: Mini monotub opinions needed [Re: blthirteenre]
#18862284 - 09/19/13 09:59 AM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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blthirteenre said: yeah, this is 100% but it was hard to mix everything around properly in the 6q shoebox so there was like chunks of coir that wouldn't colonize. i think the two pictures are different cakes... i had one that i had no room for and i had to leave it for 2-3 weeks in the shoebox and it got covered in pins and i believe that one worked better... bulk cakes are definitely superior to pf cakes in many ways... i would have just stuck to these bulk cakes and forgot about pf cakes if it weren't for all of the 4/8 oz. jars i have left over.
This is also a problem, it is hard to properly and evenly mix in these little boxes.
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Re: Mini monotub opinions needed [Re: tbagtag]
#18862351 - 09/19/13 10:14 AM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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Mix in a large salad bowl pour into tubs?
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Re: Mini monotub opinions needed [Re: bodhisatta]
#18862362 - 09/19/13 10:17 AM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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bodhisatta said: Mix in a large salad bowl pour into tubs?
Worth a try, 2 and 2 gives you around 4ish inches, 1 and 2 gives you about 3.5 ish inches.
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Re: Mini monotub opinions needed [Re: tbagtag]
#18862502 - 09/19/13 10:57 AM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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actually, what i did eventually was (using the bucket pasteurization tek) once the coir was cooled within the bucket, i would put all the spawn in the bucket with the substrate. i found that one brick of coir + 4.5 quarts of water + 1-1.5 quarts of verm + 6 quarts of spawn was perfect for (3) 6 quart shoeboxes. i have also just weighed out ~215 grams of coir + 1.5 quarts of water + 0.5 quarts of verm + 2 quarts of spawn for one shoebox OR for a 16 quart minitub. Here is a picture of my SGFC/minitub hybrid:
if you have a limited amount of space, like if you can only fit like (8) 18 gallon tubs in your closet or grown room or whatever, the minitubs are good because you can squeeze them in somewhere without having to sacrifice one of your regular size tubs
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Re: Mini monotub opinions needed [Re: blthirteenre]
#18862519 - 09/19/13 11:01 AM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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You read my mind. Just now I was doing the math to do 1 or two of those shoe boxes and trying to figure out how to cut up the coir.
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Re: Mini monotub opinions needed [Re: bodhisatta]
#18864853 - 09/19/13 08:03 PM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/17813589/fpart/1/vc/1
probably a lot smaller than yours but I love these things. I grew enough to last me awhile. I stll have like a half ounce. Granted I am not a hardcore shroomer, but still; there is some good info
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