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 Osker246
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 Re: post your advanced setup [Re: ]
#1861198 - 08/28/03 10:26 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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Yea, but cleaning it would sure be a bitch.
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DanKnugget
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Re: post your advanced setup [Re: Osker246]
#1861739 - 08/29/03 02:10 AM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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why grow more than you need? overkill IMO
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poke smot!
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Re: post your advanced setup [Re: DanKnugget]
#1861950 - 08/29/03 06:09 AM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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exactly... my friend said he wanted to be able to swap casings in and out like that. by working that ecosystem deal around those containers, new casings with the same container could be easily plopped in.
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Diploid
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Re: post your advanced setup [Re: ]
#1861980 - 08/29/03 06:18 AM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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All of that for those two dinky little casings????? WHAT A WASTE!!!!!!!!!!!
I wouldn't call it a waste. Some people enjoy tinkering with hardware, and by combining two interests, computer control and mycology, they get a lot more enjoyment out of their hobbies. I can understand that.
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poke smot!
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Re: post your advanced setup [Re: Diploid]
#1862012 - 08/29/03 06:31 AM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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Diploids got the idea. I really enjoy toying with the electronics end, and then writing software to operate it. I know a good deal about mycology, and although I do not grow myself I have someone test out my system with their grow.
IMO you can do bulk without it looking like bulk, anyhow.
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enacid
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Re: post your advanced setup [Re: poke smot!]
#1867685 - 08/31/03 01:47 AM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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yea dood unless you redesign the inside of that tank to accomodate a sea of casings rather than just 2
possibly even double layer that tank and grow on 2 levels?
then i think that would top off the l33tness of the design, because with just 2 casings?!?! it seems far from efficient
all else its fucking cool, you should go all fuckin out
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poke smot!
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Re: post your advanced setup [Re: enacid]
#1867884 - 08/31/03 07:40 AM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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I'm more interested in the looks, than producing shitloads or packing the area with lots of casings. If I wanted to do that, I'de do this:
But obviously I don't, because that pic is a FOAF's a WHILE ago setup (which is no longer setup). So with the OPTION of doing the above, this aquaintance of mine chose the higher class fish-tank style.
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 acidhead1279
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Re: post your advanced setup [Re: poke smot!]
#1869909 - 08/31/03 11:00 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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i just finished assembling mine so as soon as i get a digi cam ill post it
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chambers
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Re: post your advanced setup [Re: acidhead1279]
#1878788 - 09/03/03 06:12 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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I dont know why anyone would ever use anything but perlite it is just so much easier. Those two closets pictured above could just have a large pan with about two inches of perlite at the bottom I bet it could humidify the whole thing.
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Re: post your advanced setup [Re: chambers]
#1878843 - 09/03/03 06:34 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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Those tents leak a lot of air. Plus, you would still need good air circulation.
A loooong time ago, before there were two tents, the single smaller tent had an upper tray. The person with the tent said they tried placing a large tray with perilite in the top of the chamber, but this did not really humidify the whole chamber.
Perilite adds another place for contams to brew. Plus, it does not provide air circulation in itself. If you think about it, the casings inside would give off co2 that falls to the bottom, then escaping through the loosely sealed bottom. This could drag out humidity as well.
The other reason for using an ultrasonic humidifier, was so that the relative humidity inside the chamber could be accurately controlled. Also, the ultrasonic introduces fresh room air into the chamber, whenever it is on.
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Re: post your advanced setup [Re: poke smot!]
#1886193 - 09/05/03 04:36 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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Did you find it a lot more advantageous using the ultrsonic because when fruits started forming you could lower it to the 87%-95% range which is optimal for fruiting? I find with perlite its hard to keep it anything but 99%. You say that the ultrasonic puts fresh air into the chamber when it is on. You dont leave it on all the time? Also, does it have some sort of filtration system to keep contams from entering chamber through the humidifier? I am curious because I am thinking of starting a setup very similar to the one above with the tents and debating on whether to use perlite or not. I thought that If I put a large tray of perlite at the bottom and another maybe midway to the top? that It could probably humidify the whole thing with a air pump next to a hepa that could provide for fresh air exchange. Do you have any suggestions? Oh yeah I can kinda see in that second tent a plastic shelving system that I will probably use from home depot. good durable cheap and plastic I like it
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Re: post your advanced setup [Re: chambers]
#1886570 - 09/05/03 07:03 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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Great questions, chambers.
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It is possible to change the humidity level, by entering the desired value into the "condition editor".
The condition editor is a simple user-created program that the control program runs on. It uses simple if-then-else statements and relay control commands, in a style similar to very basic BASIC (the programming language... er, scripting language, er... whatever it is).
The relay control command was designed with regulation in mind. The user specifies the interval the relay command takes, and how long during that interval the relay should be switched.
So, by picking apart the above program, you can understand its workings:
1. If ADC5 (the %RH sensor) is less than 92%, then:
a. Turn on the humidifier for 15 seconds, every 30 seconds. This translates to the humidifier being on for 15 seconds and off for 15 seconds, alternating. This allows the sensor to catch up - a sort of buffer.
(ELSE) 2. Turn off the humidifier for 4.5 minutes every 5 minutes. This translates into the humidifier being off for 4.5 minutes, and then on for 30 seconds. This just keeps the chamber fresh with humid air. (END IF)
3. If the time is between midnight and 6:55am, turn the lights off. Otherwise, turn them on.
This simple program takes care of turning off the lights at night, and keeping the chamber humidified. I'm not satisfied with the way my program handles time-based if statements, but if it ain't broken, why fix it?
Why a relative humidity of 92%? Well, the %RH sensor is wierd. When you blast humid air over it 24/7, condensation accumulates inside the sensor. This makes the sensor read higher than it should. The sensor in question is placed in a small box with desiccant, weekly, to pull out excess humidity.
The setup in question works very well with a setting of 92%. It could be lowered if needed, but whatever.
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Yes, the ultrasonic by itself adds fresh air into the chamber. But, as you can see, the ultrasonic is not on constantly. Simply, the USH's humid air is piped into a constant-airflow line. Take a close look at the humidifier piping in this pic:
That top black thing is a rotary blower. This is on 24/7. It is constantly piping room air into the chamber. Humidity is added into the loop when needed. Also, as you can see at the bottom, the horizontal pipe pulls air from the bottom of the aquarium, to outside.
Carbon dioxide is heavy, so it goes to the bottom of the sealed aquarium. By having this outflow pipe, any air in the bottom (including carbon dioxide) is pulled out of the chamber. The airflow is assisted by the positive pressure from the intake line.
You'll find that with an ultrasonic humidifier, the chamber you use would quickly get saturated with humidity if the humidifier is left on constantly. Some guides (namely the MMGG) reccomend a series of intermediate bottles to take down the level of humidity. This is a waste IMO. Rather, just pipe non-humidified air in, and dynamically add humid air when needed to keep the proper humidity level.
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About filtering and contams... Yes, you should optimally have filters. But an associate of mine had a setup go from January this year, until mid-summer, without any problems. By keeping the outside room clean and well-sealed, there wasn't a need for filtering. Unfortunately, towards the end of his experiments, mushroom flies made their way into the chamber, which was disastrous.
The current test setup (another person's) utilizing this automation, does not have a filter on the humidifier's air intake. It does have a paper towel covering the rotary blower intake, which protects from flies and such. I don't think it is a big risk, as mushroom flies go towards the smell of mushrooms. The intake wouldn't have any smell eminating, so the flies wouldn't go near the intake.
Still, if you want an added layer of protection, you could equip your humidifier with a filter, before the humidity is added. A wise idea is to keep clean conditions outside the chamber, so that no problem arises to start.
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As for perilite... Yes, it does work very well. But with such a large chamber, you should have lots of air circulation to spread that humid air around. You could also theoretically do a two-chamber system, using a smaller chamber for your perilite tray. Just circulate the air from the perilite bin into the larger chamber. This might not work as effectively as an ultrasonic humidifier, though.
The difficulty with perilite is keeping it at the right water level, especially if you lose a lot of air through the tent. An ultrasonic humidifier has an easy-to-fill resevoir that is tapped as it is needed.
As for those (everyone) without an automation setup, I'm sure you could run the ultrasonic 24/7 on low. Letting air escape some around the bottom will ensure humidity doesn't get too high. Hope that helps.
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ahel
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Re: post your advanced setup [Re: poke smot!]
#1886646 - 09/05/03 07:28 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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poke couldnt your friend just put a larger rubbermaid inside instead of 2 little casings?
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poke smot!
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Re: post your advanced setup [Re: ahel]
#1886716 - 09/05/03 07:57 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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He probably could have... hmmmm... You mean, perhaps grind up say 12 cakes and mix well with say 8" substrate, in a bin like one of these?
In fact, I'll reccomend it to him, if he decides to start anything new. I think it would kick ass to take one of those sterilite bins and cut it down to a foot deep, and make a super duper extra large monstrosity of a casing.
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Re: post your advanced setup [Re: poke smot!]
#1888086 - 09/06/03 08:13 AM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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poke, how much would the software and hardware cost for one of these. PM me, serious inquirey.
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buu
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poke what was it written in VB or C++ im curious and are you willing to share source?
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poke smot!
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Re: post your advanced setup [Re: buu]
#1890466 - 09/07/03 06:19 AM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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It is written in Visual Basic 6.0. I won't share the source to my user interface, programming routines, and logging system / log viewer.
I will share source for an ActiveX DLL addin, which contains all of the code necessary to (1) set up a user-configured pinout (expandable), (2) change the state of a relay, and (3) read a value from one of the ADC's inputs.
This means, you can use the source to the ActiveX DLL to code your own routines to use The Box, but you will have to write the code to decide what to do with the sensor readings, and any accessory functions such as keeping and viewing a logfile.
Alternatively, if you're programming in a language that can utilize the ActiveX DLL, you can just use the DLL as a transparent component of your software, to gain access to the basic functions of The Box.
I'll be adding more information to the web site sometime soon. There I'll go into greater detail (with examples and such) on how this is done.
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mycoguy
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Re: post your advanced setup [Re: poke smot!]
#2556992 - 04/13/04 08:05 PM (8 years, 1 month ago) |
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you can also do all of this stuff with X10 home automation devices. =)
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Re: post your advanced setup [Re: mycoguy]
#2828283 - 06/25/04 12:49 PM (7 years, 11 months ago) |
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I haven't seen any X10 humidity or temp sensors though.
I have however made a wireless x10 controller that runs over the parallel port.
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Re: post your advanced setup [Re: poke smot!]
#2829294 - 06/25/04 09:25 PM (7 years, 10 months ago) |
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take a look at their weather station addons
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